Can anybody provide any input at all as to what might be the best available sound mix for ROTJ? Is it the theatrical? The 93 laserdisc? The 97 mix? The 2004 mix (just kidding we all know it isn't that). The BD mix? Any help would be appreciated. These are the mixes I have.
i would start with go with the BD dts 7.1 and down-mix form there, will give you better flexibility if you are trying to isolate a specific sound for omission.
I'm happy to announce that this edit will feature segments of xxtelecine 7xx's Star Wars Continuity Project. :) Much thanks to him for allowing this collaboration.
I had already planned on giving the lightsabers white cores, but his method sure beats my method of merely subtly boosting the contrast in certain shots.
Also, if anybody cares about this I'm using the blu ray sound mix for most of this.
Possessed said:
I'm happy to announce that this edit will feature segments of xxtelecine 7xx's Star Wars Continuity Project. :) Much thanks to him for allowing this collaboration.
I had already planned on giving the lightsabers white cores, but his method sure beats my method of merely subtly boosting the contrast in certain shots.
Also, if anybody cares about this I'm using the blu ray sound mix for most of this.
Thanks for the credit!! Possessed will be receiving more segments as they get finished. I am going to keep most of my work under wraps until Possessed finishes his project.
Criticism can be sometime harsh here specifically from people that have no AE experience or editing skills. A lot of compromises have to be made to rework (non-original source material) All of my effects are re-roto-scoped with the best quality and intention possible. I think Possessed truly understands this as such a collaboration was discussed.
Possessed,
There is a sequence I wanted your input on before i continue, I am talking about when the rebels first enter the shield generator station, there is a sound in the soundtrack that references chewbacca's crossbow as if it was fired to create a forced entry.
All that really happens in the scene is the door opens and they enter. I was planning of adding sparks and some smoke to give a better perspective of how they got the doors open, but I wanted your thoughts on this cut point before working the effects in.. (if you were planning on deleting the audio laser blast, there would be no point of adding these elements.
If I don't here from you by tonight I will render both versions one with additions and one without.
Extremely tangentially connected (what with the originator of this project's screen name) but I notice there are currently 666 topics on this board.
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Bingowings said:
Extremely tangentially connected (what with the originator of this project's screen name) but I notice there are currently 666 topics on this board.
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I'm glad someone else noticed...
That's awesome. Also I want everyone to know that even though I never post in this topic I'm still going to make this edit. (and just rest assured I am capable of it, I think I proved that years ago with the rough draft.) I've just been, and continue to be, engulfed in my musical projects that I spend most of my free time recording, mixing, mastering, or just jamming. When I get my next album done I plan to devote some time to this edit.
Speaking of that rough draft, does anybody still remember anything about it? Ideas from it that could be improved? Edits that really worked? Edits that didn't work? As sad and shameful it feels for me to say it, I honestly remember little to nothing about it. I'm the one that made it, and I barely remember what I even did with it. I remember a couple edits I made, but beyond that I couldn't tell you. It was a time of heavy drug usage for me and I remember very little from it.
If anybody has any memories of what direction it was going and whether or not it was working, please feel free to input. I've read some of the early pages in this edit and some of it is interesting. I was surprised to see that at one point I was considering re-arranging the opening scenes and even made a mockup. I wouldn't even consider doing that now, and I barely even remember going through that.
Whenever I get some time to start working on this again, which will be hopefully next week, I'm happy to announce this will be using telecine's enhanced version as a source. :)
Possessed said:
Whenever I get some time to start working on this again, which will be hopefully next week, I'm happy to announce this will be using telecine's enhanced version as a source. :)
Kill the Ewoks!!! lol
If only that could be so.
Telecine, or anybody else for that matter, would anybody be willing to make some transitions/wipes for me? The editor I use doesn’t make very good wipes, it’s either a straight line down with no “smearing” or a “smear” that covers half the damn screen.
Had an idea to remove the awful ‘thermal detonator’ sequence. What if i just cut the entire ‘leia brings chewie in’ scene and assume leia and chewie had already been there for a while waiting for 3po and r2 to show up? Their plan was never properly explained properly anyway we just see it unfold so it’s not like it will contradict anything or make it any more confusing. Might even increase the mystery for anybody who watches my edit never having seen the movie. It might make it slightly confusing but losing the cheese of the detonator scene will help the tone so much I think it’s worth it.
Plus it makes 3pos dialogue on the walk up to the palace make more sense.
Started actively working on this again. There’s an updated change list on the first page. (Remember I started this thread nearly 7 years ago and was very young so don’t mind my immature attitude in the posts following the first post. I was still in high school I believe)
I’m very excited.
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Well the good news is I’ve finished gathering all my sources and getting them to match. I’m using telecine7s version as a base which is just the 2011 blu ray but with re rotoscoped lasers and sabers, but I’ve applied a very subtle color correction to the whole to make it a little less dull looking. But I also used the hdtv captures from schorman to get rid of the new door to jabbas palace, the cgi dug in jabbas palace and restore the original effect of han thawing out. So those shots had to be matched as well, but that was easy since I could just use the sane setting I used for the blu ray footage. But I also am using harmys version to remove the sarlaac beak, and obviously restore sebastian Shaw (as if I needed to say I’d be doing that) and those took the most work to match up. Since this is an edit I didn’t so much care for matching the look of what it looked like in 1983, so I decided to keep the modern look of the blurays (with some tweaking) and harmys footage had to be processed to match. This mostly included color adjustment (harmys looked great but far, far more yellow than my taste and it didn’t mesh well with the surrounding footage, and in cases where he used 35 mm footage I’ve also used an excellent filter called MSharpen which helped the footage get the same sharpness as the blurays, also upscaled to 1080p)
Screenshots of all this to follow if you guys are interested.
Then I had to sync the film to the 93 sound mix since it still sounds the best to me. The 2011 has slightly clearer dialogue, but the music and sound effects sound much more powerful and impactful on the 93 mix, so I’m using that as a base. Although some scenes that are mostly dialogue and have a lot of editing will revert to the 2011 mix so I can take advantage of the discrete channels to silence the dialogue to create longer and seamless cuts. The final mix will be a 640 kbps 2.0 ac3 file that will largely be sourced from a lossless wav capture of the 93 mix and with a bitrate that high it will mostly be preserved. But it will be 100% dolby surround/pro logic compatible, even the scenes that use the 2011 mix I took special care to downmix properly so they could later be upmixed on a pro logic system. But I will also provide a 5.1 upmix for those without that capability, but the 2.0 track would be my recommended track due to the high bitrate only going across two channels, it will basically sound lossless.
All this took longer than it should have, because honestly it wasn’t very fun so I wasn’t super motivated. Plus after the long hiatus ive only been working on it for a few months, only a couple weeks of which were actually consistently working on it. But it’s all done now and I’ve commenced with the actual editing a few days ago.
I hope you add the deleted scenes.
I’m not doing that. If they were finished I might, but it would be too jarring. I would add the scene of Luke and vader communicating telepathically if it were of the same quality as the rest of the footage, but it isn’t.
I’m not doing that. If they were finished I might, but it would be too jarring. I would add the scene of Luke and vader communicating telepathically if it were of the same quality as the rest of the footage, but it isn’t.
I thought the same for my edit. No matter how good a deleted scene may be, if it sticks out like a sore thumb (which the OT deleted scenes do) then it takes me out of the experience.
Indeed. I think our two edits will compliment each other nicely as well, the styles are different enough that they should appeal to different audiences. I really respect yours. I never could finish mine I’ve been on and off for 8 years on mine but I’m determined this time. (Actually I did finish out at one point but in SD and I stayed over and lost everything to do it on HD)
Indeed. I think our two edits will compliment each other nicely as well, the styles are different enough that they should appeal to different audiences. I really respect yours. I never could finish mine I’ve been on and off for 8 years on mine but I’m determined this time. (Actually I did finish out at one point but in SD and I stayed over and lost everything to do it on HD)
Thank you for the compliment! I am definitely awaiting yours, it seems very promising 😃
Indeed. I think our two edits will compliment each other nicely as well, the styles are different enough that they should appeal to different audiences. I really respect yours. I never could finish mine I’ve been on and off for 8 years on mine but I’m determined this time. (Actually I did finish out at one point but in SD and I stayed over and lost everything to do it on HD)
Thank you for the compliment! I am definitely awaiting yours, it seems very promising 😃
Indeed, and many of our ideas are similar in the things we cut. I think I’m leaning towards cutting out the whole thermal detonator/price argument thing, and either just having boush accept jabbas first offer, or just removing that scene entirely and just having it inferred that boush and chewie were already there. (Didn’t 3po remark “lando and poor Chewbacca never returned from this awful place” earlier anyway?) Because those Muppet reaction shots are awful. Also cutting down on 3pos cowardice. (Not completely just cutting down). Originally I planned on removing the whole 3po not knowing he was being offered as a gift bit because that seems awful cruel of Luke to not fill him in on the plan, and I was able to remove it successfully, but now I’m thinking I might leave it in because I’m cutting so much else from jabbas palace (probably removing the droid torture scene entirely, definitely removing musical number entirely) I’ll probably keep it in since I’ll need as much non disruptive content as possible to keep the pace from getting too out of hand.
Indeed. I think our two edits will compliment each other nicely as well, the styles are different enough that they should appeal to different audiences. I really respect yours. I never could finish mine I’ve been on and off for 8 years on mine but I’m determined this time. (Actually I did finish out at one point but in SD and I stayed over and lost everything to do it on HD)
Thank you for the compliment! I am definitely awaiting yours, it seems very promising 😃
Hey would you be opposed to me borrowing a few bits of audio from your edit? Namely the force choke sound (I know it wouldn’t be hard to make myself, but you already did it just fine lol) and, I haven’t decided if I’m keeping the droid torture scene or not butif I do perhaps you’re audio there as well? I knew you borrowed it from ziggys edit but I don’t have that.
Also I’ve made a few changes in my goal. I’m just sticking with the 2011 colors, because on my display they actually look quite good. (They didn’t fuck this one up as bad as in ANH and ESB in the color department) Also going to, for the most part, stick with the 2011 sound mix but still use the 1993 mix in some spots. (Vader’s no, Han’s Trust Me, etc.) Will still be doing the audio in 2.0 for a couple reasons. One because it will make the workflow easier, and two because I’m going to be encoding at a 384 kbps 2.0 ac3 file, editing from 2.0 wavs converted from the dts tracks, so you will essentially be getting dts quality but without dts headaches. As before though it will still be dolby surround/pl2 compatible, and as before I will still provide an upmix for those without it. (Still will recommend the 2.0 if you have PLII though, as 384 spread across only 2 channels is very high, double the GOUT in fact, whereas 448 for 6 channels will basically just be standard DVD quality. So it will still sound good, but will have more compression)
The reason for the 93 to 2011 switch is really quite simple. It sounds better. I had (falsely) assumed that because the 93 mix for ANH (Star wars if you prefer) was so much better than the 2011 (the music is washed out in the 2011, and the dialogue sounds so much better, without sounding like they switched sources every other sentence) that it would also sound better for ESB and Jedi, but upon examination this is not true. It does still win for ANH though.