Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 54

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:
The Empire Strikes Back along with other Star Wars material have shown that Star Wars can be far far more than what it was originally conceived to be. I refuse to adopt that mindset but it’s fine if you do.

You’re confusing different with good.

There are several posters here who complain every time they see the word “rehash”, and then when they see criticism of something “not Star Wars”, they are quick to follow with accusations of “make up your damn mind!”

Something can be different and try new things and still be in the same spirit as the original. The Empire Strikes Back fits that category. It was Star Wars, but it was more Star Wars, and the spirit of the story was still the same as the spirit of the original, even if it explored more complex emotions and conceits.

On the other hand, something can be different from the original, and can be conceived in a spirit that is entirely counter to the original. Midichlorians in the prequels is an example of this latter category. It took a conceit from the original movies, went in another direction with it, but that direction was against the very spirit of what the originals stood for.

It is not good to do a rehash. It is good to give us a new story. However, it would be extremely not good to give us a story that spits in the face of everything the original trilogy stood for.

No I’m not as I’m merely talking about different methods of storytelling and not about quality.

Also Anchorhead would disagree with you on the ESB thing.

Bingowings said:

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

Loved the trailer, basically confirms that Luke is abandoning the Jedi for a balance.

Not sure how I feel about that. I actually really disliked how Legends started to take “balance” literally, and that the Jedi and Sith were merely philosophical differences, rather than how the Dark side was a tumour on the Force originally.

There’s no denying that the ‘Light’ side of the Force has issues as well, which is why it was only by recognizing the Dark Side that Luke was able to prevail in Jedi. The Jedi’s prohibition against some emotions and the dogma that they are impossible to overcome once indulged in was shown absolutely to be false. I for one appreciate the new direction this is taking.

But the Jedi Dogmatism was supposed to represent corruption in the Jedi (If we are to believe Lucas, who has had issues representing what he actually meant in the Prequels). The default state of the Jedi was supposed to be much more benevolent, but at some point they literally forgot their connection to the Force to use it as little more than a tool. Using the RotS novelization as a reference, Obi-Wan points out how the Jedi council in ages past didn’t bicker, but rather let the Force guide them to an answer, hinting that the Jedi lost their way.

In Jedi, that sequence was anything but Luke prevailing by channelling the darkness. If you look beyond Luke kicking Vader’s ass, the set up is that Luke lost control of himself because of Vader’s words getting to him; the music turns ominous, representing Luke going against what he stood for; and finally, when the fight ends, Luke is absolutely horrified at what he did. It wasn’t a triumph by finding “balance” between light and dark, it’s despair as our hero verges on becoming the monster he fought.

It could be like the Exorcist. Luke could be having a crisis of faith. He knows that the Dark Side is on the rise again so maybe he will come round to restoring the order with adjustment. Seeing the cultural vandalism in Rogue One it would feel like a victory for Palpatine if the Jedi were to blink out of existence.

What I’m taking from it is that Luke things the Jedi teachings need to end. He will be the last of the old order of Jedi. They may call the new order Jedi, but he intends them to be far different from Kenobi, Yoda, and the PT Jedi.

Perhaps something with the words “Whills” or “Bendu”

I found the teaser trailer to be really fucking boring. It’s officially going at the bottom of my list for Most Anticipated 2017 Movies I Want to See.

For some there seems to be a debate as to whether they’re going in a Grey direction with the ST and to me there is no doubt as to where they’re going with this:

“First comes the day
Then comes the night.
After the darkness
Shines through the light.
The difference, they say,
Is only made right
By the resolving of gray
Through refined Jedi sight.”
― Journal of the Whills, 7:477

“All hail the light, the Dark, and they Gray”
― Excerpt from Empire’s End

“Light, darkness, the balance.”
― Rey

“It’s so much bigger.”
― Luke Skywalker

“And as a lot of people know, it’s difficult when you meet your heroes because it might not be what you expect.”
― Daisy Ridley

This and having characters like Bendu come into canon makes the evidence overwhelming in my opinion. Though it’s possible Luke’s line could be in reference to something even bigger than Ashla, Bogan and a balance between the two but as far as I’m concerned Luke will be either a Grey Jedi or a new Force Wielder that has seen the benefits of balance between the Light and Dark Sides of The Force or the need to use your anger, fear and aggression at certain times.

The teaser is a teaser, with nothing great in it (oh the Falcon… oh Tie fighters… oh X-Wings… Finn is sleeping… Poe is running away from an explosion… well, not enough to be hyped !). But 2 things are to be noticed:

• it seems very well shot and doesn’t look cheap like Episode VII;
• there is an idea which can give some needed depth to the sequel trilogy after the emptiness of Episode VII, something that could make this 9-part story a movement (as a whole, in spite of a few weak inner stories - I, II, VII). I just hope it will bring mythology back again instead of the lame idea of R1 (such as the retcon of the Death Star flaw).

Not great but I’m confident it can be far more interesting than just a dumb action movie with a SW skin (yep, R1, seriously guys…) or than a weird and cheap rehash of the OT with a PT narrative approach (Episode VII).

(prospect SW ranking: VI-V-VI-VIII-III-I-VII-II-R1, Rian, I trust you, don’t let me down !)

MalàStrana said:

Not great but I’m confident it can be far more interesting than just a dumb action movie with a SW skin (yep, R1, seriously guys…)

😉

RayRogers said:

I found the teaser trailer to be really fucking boring. It’s officially going at the bottom of my list for Most Anticipated 2017 Movies I Want to See.

Lol.

People who make judgements on movies based on trailers…lol.

MalàStrana said:

doesn’t look cheap like Episode VII;

Lol.

TV’s Frink said:

RayRogers said:

I found the teaser trailer to be really fucking boring. It’s officially going at the bottom of my list for Most Anticipated 2017 Movies I Want to See.

Lol.

People who make judgements on movies based on trailers…lol.

Fuck you too, Frink. 😃

SilverWook said:

RayRogers said:

TV’s Frink said:

RayRogers said:

I found the teaser trailer to be really fucking boring. It’s officially going at the bottom of my list for Most Anticipated 2017 Movies I Want to See.

Lol.

People who make judgements on movies based on trailers…lol.

Fuck you too, Frink. 😃

Watch it.

Maybe you should consider deleting Frink’s shitposts. Just saying.

It could be that the comment that Luke says comes from the beginning of the movie,…when Rey is trying to persuade him to teach the Force to her,…he is in hiding and now a hermit after his students were wiped out by his nephew

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I think if there is to be any persuading on Rey’s part it will be in their first scene but it’s possible it takes a few scenes to convince him. I hope not as the ball needs to get rolling and him needing to be convinced would make it seems as though he truly abandoned everyone he loved.

I like to think that the dialogue in the trailer is probably so out of context that it’s meaningless as this stage. If it even makes it to the final cut.

MalàStrana said:

SilverWook said:

RayRogers said:

TV’s Frink said:

RayRogers said:

I found the teaser trailer to be really fucking boring. It’s officially going at the bottom of my list for Most Anticipated 2017 Movies I Want to See.

Lol.

People who make judgements on movies based on trailers…lol.

Fuck you too, Frink. 😃

Watch it.

Maybe you should consider deleting Frink’s shitposts. Just saying.

I don’t get it. I honestly think Frink’s posts are one of the best things about this site.

Anchorhead said:
Everything comes across as a bit too much.

The only thing that I can think of is the space slug but aside from that the story telling, character portrayals, themes etc. were elevated as any continuation should.

Han is even cooler (but lacking the edge that made him interesting in Star Wars77), the princess was even tougher, Luke was nothing like the farm boy we’d met before

Luke and Han go through character arcs in the OT and both still retained a great deal of their personality traits from STAR WARS. Han’s wit, selflessness and his hatred for droids all made a return as did Luke’s whining, self doubt and overall disposition. Had their characters stayed stagnant my level of investment with them would have decreased exponentially by ROTJ.

and Vader went from military henchman answering to several others to now answering to no one and all but running the Empire single-handed.

It should have been that way from the jump which is why I appreciate that Kylo Ren doesn’t give a single fuck about Hux or his Troopers because his agenda supersedes the trivial aspirations of some Military man who isn’t even attuned to the Force. Also since Tarkin died aboard the Death Star it was a good time for Vader to swoop on in; his eagerness to assume a more commanding presence in the Empire would have no doubt been exacerbated when he found out his offspring still lived.

For me, Rogue One is the installment that best fits with Star Wars77.

Eh, Rogue One has so many flaws that it doesn’t matter to me that it fits more with the spirit of STAR WARS. I just care about the quality of the writing and Empire blows Rogue One out of the water in every aspect say for moral ambiguity but that’s not saying much as Rogue One more or less skimmed over it.

emanswfan said:

MalàStrana said:

SilverWook said:

RayRogers said:

TV’s Frink said:

RayRogers said:

I found the teaser trailer to be really fucking boring. It’s officially going at the bottom of my list for Most Anticipated 2017 Movies I Want to See.

Lol.

People who make judgements on movies based on trailers…lol.

Fuck you too, Frink. 😃

Watch it.

Maybe you should consider deleting Frink’s shitposts. Just saying.

I don’t get it. I honestly think Frink’s posts are one of the best things about this site.

Some people don’t know what the word “shitpost” actually means.

Accusing people who like Rey’s character of thinking with their dicks? Shitpost.

Laughing at the person who did that for also saying TFA looks cheap? Not a shitpost.

Anchorhead said:

For me, Rogue One is the installment that best fits with Star Wars77.

I think you just broke Alderaan’s brain.