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Ben on a cheesy lizard was worthy of more screen-time than a discussion of the fate of Anakin's children? The last hopes of the galaxy?C'mon. Given Anakin's powers, Yoda and Ben's decision-making process concerning the future of the children was woefully brief ... and not nearly as forward-looking as it should have been.

I would have gladly accepted two more meaningful minutes of Yoda and Ben preparing the fate of these children over the robot factory scene in Clones, the poop jokes in Phantom, and 90% of the opening battle scene in Sith.

The book had the sense to flesh-out this process a little more than the film, but clearly the novelizations are not considered canon (didn't Anakin have a vision of Padme leading a group of Jedi against him in the Phantom Menace tie-in?)

The entire ending of Sith felt way too rushed … as rushed as Anakin’s sudden leap over to the dark side, which was dreadful, really. Sorry … I just can’t overlook this stuff. I don't know how you can. It’s all way too glaring.


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deep down the really wanted it to fail because otherwise they wouldnt be justified in hating the Prequals


No one started off WANTING to hate these prequels. The box office figures prove that people keep giving the prequels chances. This was the last chance, and Lucas blew it in my opinion.

The way I see it: it takes far less effort to justify hating the prequels than what's required to justify enjoying the prequels. Defending the prequels is like trying to explain why you enjoy the faint smell of skunk. Some people really do like the smell of skunk spray, but it's easier to explain why you don't like the smell ... 'cos it stinks.
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Well, here's how I see it. It's a fun movie and has some genuinely cool images, fight scenes, and plot points. But I mostly agree with every single nitpicked thing that has been touched on in this thread. I guess the difference is that these nitpicks don't ruin the experience for me. I've always been a pretty good "glass half full" type, so I can say that I truly liked this movie. No, I didn't LOVE it, but it met my expectations. I mean, what did you expect anyway, after seeing what Lucas threw at us for Episodes 1 and 2? I'm just glad Jar Jar kept his mouth shut, although I think something might have slipped out in the last scene he cameos in.

I could deal with a LOT less CGI though. The part at the end when they're on the old set from ANH gave me chills - soooooo much better than the CGI crapfest thrown at us through the rest of the movie.
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I was hoping it would be second to Empire but it's not even as good as Jedi. But saying that I think it still blows Phantom and Clones out of the water. People in the theater were laughing at the Emperor's disfigurement and I think he looked like Quentin Tarantino after he becomes a vampire in From Dusk til Dawn. THe Frankenstein scene was also pretty chees. I guess the issue is the parts that were supposed to be serious came off rather poorly and were funny and it killed the little suspense that could be built up because we knew what was going to happen. As far as R2 goes, I was thinking he could have get messed with by the Jawas in A New Hope and he does get beat up quite a bit in that movie.
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I was also reminded of Frankeinstein's monster when I saw that scene with Vader moving out... Would NOT happen if David Prowse were wearing that suit...
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The Frankenstein thing was as accidental as the Tarzan scream (re: not accidental at all). Had Prowse been in the suit he would have been instructed to act the same way. Lucas WANTED that scene to "echo" Frankenstein ... too bad it's such a stupid idea.
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How is the Frankenstein "feel" bad for something that was literally created?
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How is the Frankenstein "feel" bad for something that was literally created?


It's bad because it pulls the viewer out of the movie's world by reminding him/her of an insanely famous movie that was released in the real world ... not the world of Darth Vader. Making a reference to something as famous as Frankenstein is the kiss of death when you're trying to present "a galaxy far far away," but it's unforgivable when applied to a climactic scene.

Had that scene been successful, Vader's first steps would have formed a unique image, not the well-worn image of Frankenstein's Monster.

And becuse the Frankenstein scene is such a cliche, Vader's motions practically fall into the realm of parody. Plus, the monster motions look plain silly when executed by Vader.
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Grievous is not the only new character, which turned out to be way below my expectations.
Guys, do you remember the whole hype about Tarkin? Was he actually 3 or 4 seconds on-screen?
Also can anyone point for me the moment when I could see young Mon Mothma?

This movie had the potential of being much better, even without major changes (e.g. script). I didn't expect any surprises, we all KNEW what is going to happen, so the movie makers had less worries about creating a compelling story (from all 3 prequels this one had literally only one way to tie the plot), the only thing that was left for them was the appropriate "execution" of the whole thing...

I'm still sitting here with puzzled face asking myself a question "how did they managed to scr*w up this one?"

That's it? That's how STAR WARS saga ends?

There is a growing feeling in me of being fed up with Star Wars... maybe that's what a die-hard OT fan - like me - should do: let it fade away with childhood memories... let it die.
I saw the original theatrical release of the Old Trilogy on the big screen and I'm proud of it...
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You guys can't possibly say that Palpatine didn't deliver? Are you guys so jaded that you can't enjoy the movie at all? Fuck the Originals, this movie is the best of them all!
Which is the more foolish, the fool (the OT) or the fool who follows (the PT)?

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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
You people are nitpicking waaaaaaaay too much. The movie does have some minor, minor, minor problems.

Overall, it kicked ass. Cut some slack here guys. It was good. It felt right.


You are a fool, a sellout and a heretic.

I agree with all those who posted before this fool.

Padme dying i sno tonly stupid, but it contradicts the storyline.

"Do you remember your mother, I mean your real mother?"
"Yes, a little. She died when I was very young. She was very kind and very beautiful, but somehow sad."

I don't recall the EXACT dialogue but Luke and Leia's mother was supposed to have Fled to Alderan with Leia where they dwelt with the king. After the mother died YEARS LATER the king adopted Leia as his daughter and the crown princess of Alderan.

Meanwhile, obi-wan fled to Tatooine where he handed over Luke to HIS BROTHER Owen Lars.

Yes, Owen Lars was originally Obi wan's brother. He still is as far as I am concerned, not Anakin's mother's fuggin inlaw!

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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well i liked it, if you guys want to nitpik go ahead, i thought it was the best of the PT and better then ANH and ROTJ. es it has some flaws but overall the movie was fantastic, 4 out 5 stars from me. and the space battle as the begining was so cool. i lived how they took a page of The New Jedi Order books with the small robots attacking the fighters.
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Okay, my honest opinion.

I thought the first half-hour was pretty dumb. Flat acting, video game action, mundane dialogue. I kept snickering and rolling my eyes (especially at all the droid comments. Dumb, dumb, dumb.) For the most part, most of the antics reminded me of various Keystone Kop scenarios. Overall, it was a real waste of time that could have been better spent developing the later scenes.

However, after Obi-wan's duel with Grevious, it seemed to me like the pacing changed. The cinematography improved, the acting got real, and everything just started....flowing (no pun intended.) I found myself riveted with what was going to happen next (despite my astounding spoiler knowledge.) Hell, I didn't even mind the time code.

For the most part, this section is what Star Wars was, is, and should be. I'm sure that if I went back and watched a few more times, I could pick it apart, but I have to say I really enjoyed watching the latter part of ROTS, despite my worst fears.

A few blemishes:

1) Anakin's turn. Too fast. No real emotion there.
2) Anakin and Obi-wan surfing the lava. WTF!?! That was so bad.
3) Padme dying of a broken heart. Weak.
4) Darth Vader's "Noooooo". Embarassing.

Other than that, I would definitely rewatch this (at least, the later part. I'll have to fast forward a bit, much as I do ROTJ. ANH and ESB I can watch end-to-end every day of the week.). The action actually went with the story, instead of becoming the story. I felt my chest heaving a little towards the end, and could definitely see where some people would get choked up. The music really started building up and carrying the movie, and I loved Palpatine. The duel between Palps and Yoda was much, much better (Palp's attitude certainly helped...LOL!)

And I loved the ending. I knew it would have to iris on Luke, since he is the "New Hope". That being said, I never got the impression that Obi-wan and Yoda considered Luke to be any kind of threat against Anakin, or any benefit to the Prophecy. (And what was up with Yoda saying he had to go into exile? What prompted that?)

Two things I would have loved to have seen:

1) Yoda and Dagobah in any way, shape or form.
2) Everyone say it with me: QUI-GON! What the F*** was Lucas thinking, cutting him out?!? (If you want to know my feelings on this, you can read it here. I don't really want to have to retype it all.)

Anyways, 75% of ROTS was fun and exciting and emotional, which is far more than I can say for TPM and AOTC combined. Not a bad way to end the middle, George.

At some point, however, I will have to take my 3-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son to "see" it in a theater, just for the sake of saying they saw a Star Wars film in the theater. (AOTC is the only film that I didn't see in the theater.) Although I don't remember watching ANH (I was 7), I do remember waiting in line for ESB, and the thrill of the speeder bikes and tunnel chase in ROTJ, and I'd like them to be able to say they were "there" for the last SW film.

And say what you want about taking my 1-year-old son, but my mom "insists" that I visited the Grand Canyon because she was pregant with me at the time.

[EDIT] Another way I knew I was enjoying the rest of ROTS - those damn transitions didn't seem so annoying. LOL!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Count Dushku
Fuck the Originals, this movie is the best of them all!


I must say, that's the last thing I'd ever expect to read on this site.


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Well, everyone is still entitled to their opinions. We don't turn off our brains when we sign up here. I was almost (but happily) embarrased by how much I liked ROTS. Lucas finally pulled a decent film out of his ass.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Shimraa
well i liked it, if you guys want to nitpik go ahead, i thought it was the best of the PT and better then ANH and ROTJ. es it has some flaws but overall the movie was fantastic, 4 out 5 stars from me. and the space battle as the begining was so cool. i lived how they took a page of The New Jedi Order books with the small robots attacking the fighters.


I'll agree with you on most points, Shimmy. 4 out of 5 stars... yes. Best of the PT... yes. Space battle cool... yes. Better than ROTJ... yes. Cool that they follow some ideas in the NJO... dunno, have only read one of the NJO books. Better than ANH... no. That's the only one I don't agree on. Otherwise, I enjoyed it immensely and I'm an OT purist. Call me a heretic, I don't care. I can like it and I do.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Well, everyone is still entitled to their opinions. We don't turn off our brains when we sign up here. I was almost (but happily) embarrased by how much I liked ROTS. Lucas finally pulled a decent film out of his ass.


Just to clearify, I was referring to "Fuck the Originals...". Just seems odd given this site's focus.


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Originally posted by: Shimraa
well i liked it, if you guys want to nitpik go ahead, i thought it was the best of the PT and better then ANH and ROTJ. es it has some flaws but overall the movie was fantastic, 4 out 5 stars from me. and the space battle as the begining was so cool. i lived how they took a page of The New Jedi Order books with the small robots attacking the fighters.


I'll agree with you on most points, Shimmy. 4 out of 5 stars... yes. Best of the PT... yes. Space battle cool... yes. Better than ROTJ... yes. Cool that they follow some ideas in the NJO... dunno, have only read one of the NJO books. Better than ANH... no. That's the only one I don't agree on. Otherwise, I enjoyed it immensely and I'm an OT purist. Call me a heretic, I don't care. I can like it and I do.


Better than ROTJ? No way! It was the best of the prequels (only slightly better than AOTC), and it was a good film, but I'll take the Ewoks over Grievious any time...
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"Just to clearify, I was referring to "Fuck the Originals...". Just seems odd given this site's focus. "

I'm fully aware of what your comment was in regards to, and I don't disagree with you. Nonetheless, my point still stands.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Jedis are dumb and deserved what they got. If they had a holographic security recording of everything in Palpatine's office, why'd they send a greasy haired punk to go spy for them? I mean, if their access was THAT good, they must've had bugs EVERYWHERE.

Except the "younglings" - that was probably the most horrifying thing I've seen in years.
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The Jedi totally suck. Based on the original films, the Jedi seemed ultra-cool, but they're all jerks in the prequel movies.

Why was Mace such a dick to Anakin when Anakin was actually trying to help at that point? Why did they need to spy using such crude methods? How the hell could Ben leave Anakin to suffer so horribly?

And hey, folks: Return of the Jedi is the weakest of the original films, but ROTJ RUNS RINGS AROUND REVENGE OF THE SITH!!! Even if Sith is the best of the prequels (and I'm not convinced it's significantly better than Clones), it still doesn't come close to touching Return of the Jedi.
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"If they had a holographic security recording of everything in Palpatine's office"

The recording you speak of took place in the Jedi Temple.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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damn i forgot to mention one other thing that sucked in this movie in my other thread so i might as well do it here....

althought tons of people are going to disagree with me on this... i was horribly dissapointed with the Anakin/Obi Wan lightsaber fight...
i mean ya there was lots of flash/bang for the eyes and tons of action... but where was the emotion?@!?!?!

look at ROTJ.... prolly compared to these PT fights it was boring as hell BUT because there was so much dialogue in it which brought out tons of emotion in the characters it easily ranks as the 2nd best lightsaber fight to me....

arg... and i still cant get over the fact that Anakin turned to the darkside like that!
he bows before the emporer right after protecting palpy and then is assigned his first mission...
lol

if your telling me thats not fast then i dont know whats wrong with ya
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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He bows to the Emperor because of two reasons: The Emperor is still on the side of the Republic (good) while the Jedi seem to have turned against the head of the Republic (bad). He needs Palp to save Padme, or so he thinks and thus must stop Windu from killing him (something against the Jedi code). I can see how very easily, those two things alone could confuse Anakin. Let's not even touch on the fact that when Skywalker walks in, Anakin hears him say "You are under arrest, my Lord". Yeah, I'd be confused as hell at this point. Turning to the Dark Side wouldn't be such an absolute, just an alignment with the only things you believe are still right at the time: Saving the Reupblic and stoping the war and saving the one you love.

As for Ewok over Greivous, come on. Greivous, while disposable, is atleast believable. If you take no umbrage with tiny forrest creatures bringing the Galactic F'NG Empire to it's knees. Something well armed, well funded Rebels couldn't do for 15 years, then I don't want to hear you complain about plot holes or lack of believability again.
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I didn't like the final lightsaber duel ... I thought it was too choppy. The editing seemed really poor to me. The fight paled by comparison to the fight in Phantom Menace.

I also didn't like the "Anakin, don't do it. I have the high ground!" WTF? Since when were battles determined by who has the high ground?

I had envisioned something cool and witty at the end of that fight ... like Anakin was about to kill Ben and then Kenobi turned Anakin's artificial hand against himself. Not some nonsense about "high ground."

Also, did it bother anyone else that it apparently took the Empire 20 years to complete the first Death Star, yet it only took two or three years to *almost* complete a second bigger, deadlier Death Star. I hate the fact that they showed the Death Star at the end of Revenge of the Sith.