Celebration 2017 Speculation — Page 29

Mocata said:

The idea that single unique negative for a film exists that has been forever altered is ridiculous to begin with, but the suggestion that digital effects and alterations done were “permanent” is more so. Lucas and his BS was always this way. Maybe he even believes it, since he came out with this line with talking about THX-1138 a few years after, but y’know the guy is missing a few marbles.

The original version of THX-1138 really should be restored since George altered it so much with cgi. I wonder if he’ll have that one remastered in 4k as well. Lowry handled the existing transfer (the dvd was released in 2004 the very same week as the OT IIRC).

American Graffiti’s original version should be preserved if for no other reason than its historical significance.

Unfortunately, not enough people really remember THX enough to care about getting the original version (not the way people care about the unaltered Star Wars at any rate), and the alterations to Graffiti aren’t blatantly cgi-based so most people probably consider it “close enough” if they even know it’s been altered at all.

Does the American Graffiti BD have the CG sunset?

Wait what? He actually altered American Graffiti with CGI? I don’t recall seeing any gungans running around that movie. Looked pretty normal to me.

I bet his goiter is also CG

If you type “unaltered” into Google, the first or second search suggestion is “unaltered Star Wars” so I guess a lot of people do want it. I don’t think it’s a fringe of people

Density said:

Wait what? He actually altered American Graffiti with CGI? I don’t recall seeing any gungans running around that movie. Looked pretty normal to me.

IIRC, the director’s cut also features extended/alternate/additional scenes not present in the theatrical version. I’ve never watched the theatrical version, though, so I don’t know how correct this is.

JawsTDS said:

“I shot first” was said during the Smuggler’s Revenge audio story and the entire audience clapped and cheered. You don’t think people get that the films were changed?

Well, some suggest that the reason we don’t have the OOT on Blu Ray is because not enough people know or care about the theatrical cuts but we beg to differ

nickyd47 said:

JawsTDS said:

“I shot first” was said during the Smuggler’s Revenge audio story and the entire audience clapped and cheered. You don’t think people get that the films were changed?

Well, some suggest that the reason we don’t have the OOT on Blu Ray is because not enough people know or care about the theatrical cuts but we beg to differ

The real question is what is Smuggler’s Revenge to a mainstream audience?

Mocata said:

nickyd47 said:

JawsTDS said:

“I shot first” was said during the Smuggler’s Revenge audio story and the entire audience clapped and cheered. You don’t think people get that the films were changed?

Well, some suggest that the reason we don’t have the OOT on Blu Ray is because not enough people know or care about the theatrical cuts but we beg to differ

The real question is what is Smuggler’s Revenge to a mainstream audience?

Like I said, go to Google and type unaltered and you tell me what the first or second search suggestion is

imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Density said:

Wait what? He actually altered American Graffiti with CGI? I don’t recall seeing any gungans running around that movie. Looked pretty normal to me.

IIRC, the director’s cut also features extended/alternate/additional scenes not present in the theatrical version. I’ve never watched the theatrical version, though, so I don’t know how correct this is.

Well in this case, the lower is definitely better (more natural in terms of what human eye would capture).

I don’t mind special editions of movies as long as the changes/additions aren’t gaudy. The final cut of Blade Runner is a SE done right

SwissArmyTin said:

nickyd47 said:

imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Density said:

Wait what? He actually altered American Graffiti with CGI? I don’t recall seeing any gungans running around that movie. Looked pretty normal to me.

IIRC, the director’s cut also features extended/alternate/additional scenes not present in the theatrical version. I’ve never watched the theatrical version, though, so I don’t know how correct this is.

Well in this case, the lower is definitely better (more natural in terms of what human eye would capture).

I don’t mind special editions of movies as long as the changes/additions aren’t gaudy. The final cut of Blade Runner is a SE done right

At least Blade Runner has every cut available nice and restored in a nice box set. Georgie doesn’t seem to understand that concept.

That set is OOP by the way.

Back to Star Wars! We know that the SEs have been cleaned and restored in 4K by RMW yet they weren’t able to show them at Celebration. Perhaps a surprise Blu-Ray set is coming?

suspiciouscoffee said:

SwissArmyTin said:

nickyd47 said:

imperialscum said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Density said:

Wait what? He actually altered American Graffiti with CGI? I don’t recall seeing any gungans running around that movie. Looked pretty normal to me.

IIRC, the director’s cut also features extended/alternate/additional scenes not present in the theatrical version. I’ve never watched the theatrical version, though, so I don’t know how correct this is.

Well in this case, the lower is definitely better (more natural in terms of what human eye would capture).

I don’t mind special editions of movies as long as the changes/additions aren’t gaudy. The final cut of Blade Runner is a SE done right

At least Blade Runner has every cut available nice and restored in a nice box set. Georgie doesn’t seem to understand that concept.

And a workprint! Imagine a Star Wars set that included OOT, every SE, and a workprint!

If such a set existed, I wouldn’t hesitate to rob a bank and buy it immediately after. 😉

nickyd47 said:

If you type “unaltered” into Google, the first or second search suggestion is “unaltered Star Wars” so I guess a lot of people do want it. I don’t think it’s a fringe of people

I don’t see why that means anything. Just because comparatively more people are searching for unaltered Star Wars compared to unaltered… anything else, that doesn’t mean that the people seeking it out at all aren’t still a minority. There are not many other films that are in the same situation in which the unaltered versions are unavailable, let alone films with as big a fan base as Star Wars, let alone films with alterations as controversial. So yeah, it’s not surprising that is a common search term or that a number of people are interested, but it’s still a very small number relative to the wider Star Wars fan base. Even most of those who are aware of it don’t typically care about it that much compared to the users of this site.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Density said:

Wait what? He actually altered American Graffiti with CGI? I don’t recall seeing any gungans running around that movie. Looked pretty normal to me.

IIRC, the director’s cut also features extended/alternate/additional scenes not present in the theatrical version. I’ve never watched the theatrical version, though, so I don’t know how correct this is.

If that’s the only change then I’m absolutely fine with it. Sure it might be better for the sake of preservation to include the unaltered shot as an option, but if you’re really that interested you can see it right there. The lower shot is definitely vastly superior, CGI or not.

And as for extra scenes, well, I’ve never seen the theatrical so I can’t say for certain if they were detrimental or not. But if they were added in the late 70’s when George still had his marbles, and if they were originally only cut by the studio for time purposes because they didn’t trust George fully pre-SW as with THX, then I’m sure they’re fine.

I’ve only seen the movie once though. It was good but I would hardly say I’m a fan of it the way I am Star Wars, and clearly that is the case for most others. So even if there were significant changes, they would not attract as much attention or be as important to me or most other people.

SilverWook said:

People are also illegally selling Harmy’s work on Ebay. If that doesn’t prove there’s a market…

Look, I have no doubt that there is a market. In fact I’ve stated repeatedly that there is, that it would sell and that Disney would turn a profit on it. That’s not up for debate. Studios release decent restorations of archive films all the time with much more niche audiences. There’s no doubt this would dwarf them in sells. But that’s not the question. The question, from Disney’s perspective, is whether it’s worth bothering with until:

A. They have all the rights.
B. They are done milking their own, more lucrative new trilogy.

So like I and a few others here have said, 2020 looks like the new goalpost.

If you go to other Star Wars communities (Reddit specifically in my example), what I end up seeing are people who know the SE was changed, but want a cut that reverts the meme changes (Han Solo shooting first, NOOOOOOO!) but retains some of the more drastic changes (like the CGI fighters, Hayden as Anakin’s ghost, nevermind some people don’t seem to realize anything’s wrong with the colour grading)

I.E. the Star Wars community seems to want Revisted, not the OOT.