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Originally posted by: Asha
In the original RotJ novel, Ben and Owen were BROTHERS. It's implied Anakin didn't know Owen, which is why Luke was safe in his care. That's been tossed out of the cannon long since.

true, ill admit i think lucas botched up the relationship between own/ben/anakin/luke but that was done before this movie. Actually, from what ben tells Luke in ANH (he thought your father should stay here and take care of the farm, or something along those lines) so there are implications that Anakin knows Owen.

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And why DIDN'T we see Yoda communicate with the Lars? Considering all the time wasted on eye candy in these prequels, why do we have to fill in these huge logical gaps? Especially given the fact that we have Yoda hiding Anakin's son on Anakin's home planet with people Anakin knows personally (that neither Yoda nor Ben know) ... while retaining Anakin's last name!? No wonder the Jedi fell under Yoda's not-so-keen leadership! It's amazing Yoda didn't sell the baby to Watto.

agree with bossk, i dont need to be spoon fed every little detail, you can use your own imagination to fill in minor gaps like that.

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But when people say reasons they didnt like it was because of a characters name (plus Darth Pagueous was way worse a name then General Grevious) or because of unrealistic gravity on a space ship that is nitpicking and there is a difference between nitpicking and venting about a movie you didnt like that you may have truely wanted to like.

One man's nit is another man's special edition. Sadly, these prequels offer up more nits than thrills.

Grievous' lame name is relevant because the character was as lame as the name in the final film. Darth Bubonic is still an unknown, but given Lucas' track record, he's probably as lame as his name, too. (killed in his sleep? oh my.)

Darth Bubonic...haha, thats good.

but on that, i interpreted that as Darth Plagueous being Palps master which adds motivation and reason for his disregard for his Aprentices and willingness (and actualy mindset) to essentially replace them every now and then.

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You admit you're consciously trying to enjoy these films by overlooking the faults. That's your choice, and I don't really care, but remember that you can enjoy a root canal if you try hard enough, too.

actually i said i overlook the minor mistakes/goofs/inconsistancies, whatever you want to call them and dont let those get in the way of my enjoying the movie as a whole. Thats differnt that conscoisly trying to enjoy the films as there is no trying i actually do enjoy them, but afterward when i reflect on the movie i dont let the little/minor things stop me from enjoying it.

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I tried to enjoy these prequels ... all three of them. In fact, i think I gave the first two films more shakes than they deserved in the beginning ... until I realized that it took more effort to ignore the flaws than there was entertainment to be had from the films. Clone Wars gave me a little hope that Sith wouldn't disappoint, but that hope is dashed now.

I admit I walked out more drained and disappointed after Sith than the previous prequels because it marks the third clunker in a row, and all three films have thoroughly exhausted my ability to forgive the prequels' flaws. There's no motiviation to ignore Sith's flaws ... the prequels are over -- they were all underwhelming -- and there's no hope for improvement. That's why I'm not going to bother seeing Sith again in the theatre. If I didn't even enjoy it the first time, there's no reason to try to force it now.

I'm not alone ... the audience at last night's screening was as unenthusiastic as I am today. The only shared laughs were inspired by the love scenes. The theatre erupted into a huge guffaw when Vader yelled, "NOOOOOOO." The only shared cheer came when Yoda squashed the royal guards (that was pretty cute). No applause at the end despite an energetic opening. Everyone who lingered outside afterwards was saying that the film was a loser. And I mean EVERYONE. "That's a Star Wars film I never want to see again," said one filmgoer. "My childhood dreams are now dead," said another. "I can't believe how much that sucked," growled a guy in red Darth Vader t-shirt.

Im not alone either. Im convinced (not saying you) that their are people that while they said they went in wanting to enjoy the movie, and hoping it would be better, deep down the really wanted it to fail because otherwise they wouldnt be justified in hating the Prequals, and they wouldnt be able to hate them all or justify all their comments against Lucas. There were some cheers and laughs during my screening. Minor applause at the end. But I enjoyed it, do i applaud at any movie, no, not really. I know people that think its dumb when people applaud cause its not like the actors can actually hear you cheering them does that mean they enjoy a movie less than someone that does applaud? No.

either way, im done, like i said, your free to be dissapointed in the movies all you want, you can even hate them for all i care, im not trying to convince you of anything. I just think there is too much focusing on the negative and think people should give themselves a fair chance when watching the movies.

-Darth Simon