4K restoration on Star Wars — Page 169

rogue1-77 said:

Back to the topic of 4k restorations

Lol.

Here, try this one on for size.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Tex-Murphy-Thread/id/11409

SwissArmyTin said:

UHD seems like a bit of a gimmic to me, but I can understand the appeal of 4k in general. It’s just still a tad too expensive right now for most people to upgrade to a 4K TV and 4K blu-ray player. Heck, I didn’t jump on the Blu-ray bandwagon until around 2012 when player prices started falling under $100 a piece.

It’s just such a shame streaming is slowly edging out physical releases. Video quality (and audio, in some cases) just isn’t up to par yet with physical media, at least from what I’ve seen on Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube. Internet speeds can absolutely nuke any and all enjoyment from watching a film the second it starts stuttering and buffering, then crushing the resolution down to 360p until it catches back up for 1080p.

My nightmare scenario is Disney deciding to sit on it until the winds are clearly blowing in the direction of downloads/streaming and physical media is declared dead (or at least on its way out) by the industry, and only then releasing a restored OOT you’d need to download/stream and would never be able to physically own a copy of.

I feel like it won’t come to that, though. They haven’t even released the unaltereds on regular blu-ray, and we’re about to hit that magic seven-year mark since the last revision of the SE anyway. If they wanted to, they could dip on a 1080p disc release now (or next year if they want to keep to the seven-year pattern although that’s probably been coincidence more than anything else) and simply wait until 2020 to dip again on 4k. It’s the UHD release that’s going to need added incentive for people to buy, and May 2020 conveniently coincides (more or less) with the conclusion of the sequel trilogy.

If they stick to the current plan, Ep9 hits theaters in May of 2019. They could put it out by itself and (and possibly in 4k as well, with TFA, RO and Han Solo also having been released on 4k in the meantime since they’re 100% owned by Disney). Then, a year later in September of 2020 they release the I-XI box set you have to buy in order to get the unaltereds in all their 4k hdr glory.

We don’t know what Lucasfilm/Disney has planned for 2020 in terms of a new movie, but presumably there will be one. Whether that movie is a May release or they revert to December, I think the I-IX UHD set is a likely possibility, either hitting stores in September the same day as that year’s movie or simply as part of the cross-promotion if they go with December.

John Doom said:

rogue1-77 said:

Back to the topic of 4k restorations, another factor will be if the UHD format survives or catches on.

There are signs that the whole US home entertainment industry is in decline:

http://www.nscreenmedia.com/us-home-entertainment-spending-q4-2016/

One of the key points was :

2016 saw big growth in the number of 4K televisions in consumer homes, and the introduction of the 4K Blu-ray disc. DEG says there were 10 million 4K UHD TVs sold in the US last year. As well, 300,000 4K UHD Blu-ray players were sold. By the end of 2016, there were 110 UHD Blu-ray titles available, with another 250 promised by the end of this year.

Despite all this positive news, disc sales and rentals continued to plummet. Disc sales were down 9.6% on the year (to $5.5B), a slightly better performance than the 12.5% decline in 2015. However, physical rentals were dramatically lower, with store rentals down 21% and kiosk transactions down 17%. Last year they both fell 11% and 9.5% respectively. The entire physical disc rental market spend was $2.5B, down from $5B in 2011.

R1

😃 This shouldn’t be a problem: it probably means that more people are spending on digital downloads rather than on physical media, but 4K movies will still be released no matter what.

Actually, all sales are trending downwards, even though there are spikes in formats.

Not all movies will get the 4k treatment though, and studios do look at numbers before evaluating
what gets released.

Sure, there may be 4k releases of comedies, and dramas, and thrillers, but that’s not the category here.

R1

Yeah, even amongst brand new movies we’re not seeing everything get a 4k release. Several of the best picture nominees from this year’s oscars were regular blu-ray only.

Fang Zei said:

SwissArmyTin said:

UHD seems like a bit of a gimmic to me, but I can understand the appeal of 4k in general. It’s just still a tad too expensive right now for most people to upgrade to a 4K TV and 4K blu-ray player. Heck, I didn’t jump on the Blu-ray bandwagon until around 2012 when player prices started falling under $100 a piece.

It’s just such a shame streaming is slowly edging out physical releases. Video quality (and audio, in some cases) just isn’t up to par yet with physical media, at least from what I’ve seen on Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube. Internet speeds can absolutely nuke any and all enjoyment from watching a film the second it starts stuttering and buffering, then crushing the resolution down to 360p until it catches back up for 1080p.

My nightmare scenario is Disney deciding to sit on it until the winds are clearly blowing in the direction of downloads/streaming and physical media is declared dead (or at least on its way out) by the industry, and only then releasing a restored OOT you’d need to download/stream and would never be able to physically own a copy of.

I feel like it won’t come to that, though. They haven’t even released the unaltereds on regular blu-ray, and we’re about to hit that magic seven-year mark since the last revision of the SE anyway. If they wanted to, they could dip on a 1080p disc release now (or next year if they want to keep to the seven-year pattern although that’s probably been coincidence more than anything else) and simply wait until 2020 to dip again on 4k. It’s the UHD release that’s going to need added incentive for people to buy, and May 2020 conveniently coincides (more or less) with the conclusion of the sequel trilogy.

If they stick to the current plan, Ep9 hits theaters in May of 2019. They could put it out by itself and (and possibly in 4k as well, with TFA, RO and Han Solo also having been released on 4k in the meantime since they’re 100% owned by Disney). Then, a year later in September of 2020 they release the I-XI box set you have to buy in order to get the unaltereds in all their 4k hdr glory.

We don’t know what Lucasfilm/Disney has planned for 2020 in terms of a new movie, but presumably there will be one. Whether that movie is a May release or they revert to December, I think the I-IX UHD set is a likely possibility, either hitting stores in September the same day as that year’s movie or simply as part of the cross-promotion if they go with December.

Part of the problem I think is the distribution rights with Fox. If I remember correctly, Fox has the rights until 2020 to the first 6, save for ANH which they get in perpetuity. I’m betting once all they can distribute is the original, Disney will cut a deal for a mega pack with all of them.

TerranGuy93 said:

Fang Zei said:

SwissArmyTin said:

UHD seems like a bit of a gimmic to me, but I can understand the appeal of 4k in general. It’s just still a tad too expensive right now for most people to upgrade to a 4K TV and 4K blu-ray player. Heck, I didn’t jump on the Blu-ray bandwagon until around 2012 when player prices started falling under $100 a piece.

It’s just such a shame streaming is slowly edging out physical releases. Video quality (and audio, in some cases) just isn’t up to par yet with physical media, at least from what I’ve seen on Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube. Internet speeds can absolutely nuke any and all enjoyment from watching a film the second it starts stuttering and buffering, then crushing the resolution down to 360p until it catches back up for 1080p.

My nightmare scenario is Disney deciding to sit on it until the winds are clearly blowing in the direction of downloads/streaming and physical media is declared dead (or at least on its way out) by the industry, and only then releasing a restored OOT you’d need to download/stream and would never be able to physically own a copy of.

I feel like it won’t come to that, though. They haven’t even released the unaltereds on regular blu-ray, and we’re about to hit that magic seven-year mark since the last revision of the SE anyway. If they wanted to, they could dip on a 1080p disc release now (or next year if they want to keep to the seven-year pattern although that’s probably been coincidence more than anything else) and simply wait until 2020 to dip again on 4k. It’s the UHD release that’s going to need added incentive for people to buy, and May 2020 conveniently coincides (more or less) with the conclusion of the sequel trilogy.

If they stick to the current plan, Ep9 hits theaters in May of 2019. They could put it out by itself and (and possibly in 4k as well, with TFA, RO and Han Solo also having been released on 4k in the meantime since they’re 100% owned by Disney). Then, a year later in September of 2020 they release the I-XI box set you have to buy in order to get the unaltereds in all their 4k hdr glory.

We don’t know what Lucasfilm/Disney has planned for 2020 in terms of a new movie, but presumably there will be one. Whether that movie is a May release or they revert to December, I think the I-IX UHD set is a likely possibility, either hitting stores in September the same day as that year’s movie or simply as part of the cross-promotion if they go with December.

Part of the problem I think is the distribution rights with Fox. If I remember correctly, Fox has the rights until 2020 to the first 6, save for ANH which they get in perpetuity. I’m betting once all they can distribute is the original, Disney will cut a deal for a mega pack with all of them.

Yup, it’s just a simple matter of giving them their cut.

In the meantime, they’ve already reissued the 2011 discs twice since the Disney deal. That should be proof enough that Fox and Disney aren’t at odds with each other.

The question is whether they’ll just keep reissuing the same discs for the next three years or if Disney will see the money-making potential of releasing a remastered OOT on regular 1080p blu-ray before then. If they decide it’s worth sharing some of the profits with Fox they’ll go through with it. They’d still be able to dip yet again with a 4k HDR OOT release after May of 2020.

SwissArmyTin said:

UHD seems like a bit of a gimmic to me, but I can understand the appeal of 4k in general. It’s just still a tad too expensive right now for most people to upgrade to a 4K TV and 4K blu-ray player. Heck, I didn’t jump on the Blu-ray bandwagon until around 2012 when player prices started falling under $100 a piece.

It’s just such a shame streaming is slowly edging out physical releases. Video quality (and audio, in some cases) just isn’t up to par yet with physical media, at least from what I’ve seen on Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube. Internet speeds can absolutely nuke any and all enjoyment from watching a film the second it starts stuttering and buffering, then crushing the resolution down to 360p until it catches back up for 1080p.

UHD has hdr so no it’s not a gimmic 3d is a gimmic.

Hoping that they put the OOT on Blu Ray now and wait til 2020 to out it back out on 4K UHD disc.

SilverWook said:

It not a gimmick. 3D has been around in one form or another since the 50’s. People once thought talking pictures, color, widescreen, and stereophonic soundtracks were gimmicks too.

The problem is that too few filmmakers seem really interested in fully utilizing it. There are barely any native stereo productions hitting theaters this year. Transformers 5 is the only one I know of, off the top of my head. Even Paul W.S. Anderson and Ridley Scott abandoned native stereo for their latest movies. Alien: Covenant isn’t even getting post-converted.

nickyd47 said:

Hoping that they put the OOT on Blu Ray now and wait til 2020 to out it back out on 4K UHD disc.

It would make perfect business sense. They get to dip now on a regular blu-ray and then, several years from now when enough people have seen the benefits of the new UHD format, they dip again on 4k.

SilverWook said:

It not a gimmick. 3D has been around in one form or another since the 50’s.

But it never really stuck. I don’t think I’ve talked to anyone that actually enjoys watching movies like that.

Watching movies in 3D sucks. It’s the exact opposite of what cinema is about. Films are supposed to draw you into them, not the other way around.

Tongue-in-cheek noted. But good 3D movie or good movie at all?

I honestly can’t remember seeing a good 3D movie even once. It might be cool for a documentary or something, maybe one of those Everest type things. But for most films, I think it’s a bad idea.

Wazzles said:

SilverWook said:

It not a gimmick. 3D has been around in one form or another since the 50’s.

But it never really stuck. I don’t think I’ve talked to anyone that actually enjoys watching movies like that.

Well it comes in waves like any money making fad. It came back in the 80s, it came in 2009, now people have lost interest. I prefer 2D IMAX style experiences which don’t distract from the film and don’t have lenses that darken what you are seeing. As for the home release market I can’t see it taking off in a big way.

lovelikewinter said:

watching a movie in 3D makes me look like an idiot

Sounds reasonable.

I wear glasses too and headache problem aside (I don’t seem to have that issue) who cares what you look like? You look like everyone else in the theater.

I hadn’t even thought about wearing glasses… is that just impossible? I haven’t seen a 3D release in 2 years which coincides with me having to wear specs. I don’t think I’ll buy a ticket to find out.

Alderaan said:

It’s the exact opposite of what cinema is about.

I know you have trouble with this concept, but cinema is more than one thing and it’s not just about what you want it to be about.

Mocata said:

I hadn’t even thought about wearing glasses… is that just impossible?

No. They go right over the glasses.