Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 210

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Jeebus said:

Jetrell Fo said:

^I haven’t seen any documentation anywhere that reveals who he talks to every time he talks to someone before making a decision.

Jeebus said:

If all it takes is a smooth-talking lobbyist or Republican war-hawk to get Trump to completely change his mind about promises he’s made, then we’re in for a hell of a ride.

I don’t believe it’s a simple as this though for those who don’t like him I’m sure it would be nice if it was. It’s politics. This is not a new game. How many Presidents before him have done this but in a far worse capacity?

So it’s alright because other people have done worse?

These types of things are not Trump “exclusive” and they never will be. I’m sure he’s finding the political song and dance far more challenging than he expected it to be.

Oh, well in that case it’s alright. Poor Trump.

Could any of us do better in such a position?

Shouldn’t the president be held to a higher standard than that of the common person? Sure, people make mistakes, but the president can’t afford to make mistakes.

So are you saying that you could do a better job as President or are you just poo-pooing what I wrote because you don’t like Trump?

It’s clear you didn’t understand a word I said.

Actually, I did understand what you said, and most of it was poo-pooing Trump.

Any legitimate criticisms can be shoved away and labelled “poo-pooing” now?

Is the President held to a higher standard, that’s a dumb question, because he is.

Things like this;

Could any of us do better in such a position?

make it seem like you’re not holding him to that higher standard. It seems like you’re saying it’s alright that he messed up because Joe Blow off the streets wouldn’t do any better.

The problem with that higher standard, is that for him it is constantly being changed and challenged,

No, I really don’t think it is. My standards don’t allow for the president to make “mistakes” that threaten the lives of other people. Those standards are consistent no matter which president is in office.

Now, can you do better than him, or can’t you?

I didn’t answer initially because I think it’s a disingenuous line of questioning that’s irrelevant to the overall discussion. If I were to say that I couldn’t, what would that mean? I couldn’t do it so it’s not fair to expect that he can? Because if that’s what you’re saying, then you are holding him to the same standard as the common person.

Of course you cherry picked my entire post to meet your context of the discussion too.

Honestly, I don’t even know what the hell you’re talking about at this point.

The standards you impose on the President of the United States, at least this one, could never be reached by him because they seem to exceed that normal standard due to your dislike of him.

If you read any of my posts in the politics thread during the election, you’d know this isn’t true, but I won’t let that stop you from creating your own facts.

I’m not looking to argue with you. I am also making observations, not creating facts. There is a difference. No human being is perfect and there is no way in even a sane Hell that any person anywhere in the world can’t or won’t make a mistake from the President to the Pope. I don’t like war but I don’t like seeing innocent people and children have their lives, their very breath taken from them, due to someone that feels they’re expendable. If we lived in a perfect world you and I probably wouldn’t even be discussing this. We obviously realize that this is not the case.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Funny thing about polls …

http://www.gallup.com/poll/207794/six-partisan-bias-news-media.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Now, everyone knows I’m not really a “poll” believer as all algorithms have differing margins of error regardless of what anyone says but this poll kinda makes this thread a minority when it comes to belief in media and confirmation bias.

If the numbers are to be believed, of course.

😉

That poll isn’t about the media being biased. It’s about people believing the media is biased. Two very different things. More and more people people have thoughts like “I’m not really a “poll” believer”, “If the numbers are to be believed” and “belief in media and confirmation bias”.

The media is biased. More and more people are actually starting to realize how real that fact is.

Jetrell Fo said:

I don’t think she’ll ever escape the lying and deceit image she created for herself. Some folks here call Trump a serial liar … well, their own candidate sits in the same pool he does then.

Yes, they are both terrible human beings. Donald Trump is too.

Ryan McAvoy said:

darthrush said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Funny thing about polls …

http://www.gallup.com/poll/207794/six-partisan-bias-news-media.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Now, everyone knows I’m not really a “poll” believer as all algorithms have differing margins of error regardless of what anyone says but this poll kinda makes this thread a minority when it comes to belief in media and confirmation bias.

If the numbers are to be believed, of course.

😉

That poll isn’t about the media being biased. It’s about people believing the media is biased. Two very different things. More and more people people have thoughts like “I’m not really a “poll” believer”, “If the numbers are to be believed” and “belief in media and confirmation bias”.

The media is biased. More and more people are actually starting to realize how real that fact is.

I never thought this was a point of contention. Am I seriously supposed to believe that CNN doesn’t throw a liberal spin on every issue? Or that Fox News (worse than CNN) doesn’t do the exact same thing for the agenda of the right?

Media is inherently going to be biased but what matters is that they try to tell the full story and tell it as accurately as possible.

News of any kind is made my human beings and as such, it is literally impossible to be made without some sort of bias, however small. That doesn’t mean you can’t trust it because it’s only 99.99% unbiased. I 100% trust my own eyes to tell me it’s a nice day today outside the window but maybe I’m just in a good mood and that’s skewing the result? Automatically distrusting sources of information, that are proven constantly to be accurate and reputable because you know it’s impossible to be 100% unbiased is just paranoia.

The important thing to remember is that some outlets make efforts to minimise this inherent bias as much as they can. It’s called journalistic ethics and standards. Where as some outlets actively try to maximise this bias to an insane degree. If you think both are doing “the exact same thing”…

If you’re taking what I said to extremes then yes everything you said is true. But since I never mentioned extremes, and neither did the “poll”, your point leads to nothing more than posting a meme.

Bannon fired…
Syria under US fire…
McCain/Kerry/Clinton’s ideas on fire…

Damned neo-con that are finally winning… Such a disappointment, I really thought Trump could beat these morons. Seems he needs to give them power again to avoid impeachment from his own majority. Hope he will strike back against these warmongers. So in the meantime I give Donald the benefit of the doubt.

MalàStrana said:

Bannon fired…
Syria under US fire…
McCain/Kerry/Clinton’s ideas on fire…

Damned neo-con that are finally winning… Such a disappointment, I really thought Trump could beat these morons. Seems he needs to give them power again to avoid impeachment from his own majority. Hope he will strike back against these warmongers. So in the meantime I give Donald the benefit of the doubt.

He won’t be impeached. His own majority isn’t in much better state than the Democrats at this point. The only real difference is they hold more seats than the Dems do and the Dems are still pissed off about it. Bannon needed to be handled, as does Priebus, and he will get his day soon I believe.

I do hope that Trump gets back to business now that they reiterated Obama’s red line.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

darthrush said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Funny thing about polls …

http://www.gallup.com/poll/207794/six-partisan-bias-news-media.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Now, everyone knows I’m not really a “poll” believer as all algorithms have differing margins of error regardless of what anyone says but this poll kinda makes this thread a minority when it comes to belief in media and confirmation bias.

If the numbers are to be believed, of course.

😉

That poll isn’t about the media being biased. It’s about people believing the media is biased. Two very different things. More and more people people have thoughts like “I’m not really a “poll” believer”, “If the numbers are to be believed” and “belief in media and confirmation bias”.

The media is biased. More and more people are actually starting to realize how real that fact is.

I never thought this was a point of contention. Am I seriously supposed to believe that CNN doesn’t throw a liberal spin on every issue? Or that Fox News (worse than CNN) doesn’t do the exact same thing for the agenda of the right?

Media is inherently going to be biased but what matters is that they try to tell the full story and tell it as accurately as possible.

News of any kind is made my human beings and as such, it is literally impossible to be made without some sort of bias, however small. That doesn’t mean you can’t trust it because it’s only 99.99% unbiased. I 100% trust my own eyes to tell me it’s a nice day today outside the window but maybe I’m just in a good mood and that’s skewing the result? Automatically distrusting sources of information, that are proven constantly to be accurate and reputable because you know it’s impossible to be 100% unbiased is just paranoia.

The important thing to remember is that some outlets make efforts to minimise this inherent bias as much as they can. It’s called journalistic ethics and standards. Where as some outlets actively try to maximise this bias to an insane degree. If you think both are doing “the exact same thing”…

If you’re taking what I said to extremes then yes everything you said is true

I didn’t need to, saying “The media is biased” as a blanket statement is extreme enough. Also I wasn’t replying to you.

I apologize. I figured since I was part of the quoted conversation that you were talking to both of us. My bad. And the media is biased, it’s a fact, not an extreme.

I’m not bent out of shape because they’re not happy with him. I get bent out of shape because they do to him what they say he does to others. You can’t complain about the way you believe someone is if you act the same way, it’s hypocritical.

As an Army Veteran, I love my country, and I want to see everyone prosper. I served during Bill Clinton’s atrocious term. I had no use for him but I gave him the chance. I don’t like Trump but I’m giving him a chance. I’ve also said I’d have given Hillary Clinton the same chance had she won. I have already stated my approval for Bannon being handled and I’m hoping to see the same happen to Priebus. They aren’t good for this administration or the country.

I’m not sure how much more people want from me. I think it’s ignorant for folks to decry behavior they have no problem displaying themselves. If that is how they feel, then they should own it, say that is how they are. It would make these discussions far easier and less dragged out.

MalàStrana said:

Bannon fired…

False.

^Sorry MalaStrana, Frink is correct on this, Bannon was not fired, though he has been handled for now.

On a different note.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/07/context-did-susan-rice-lie-about-unmasking-trump-a/

A “trusted” fact-checking site manipulates the story to dismiss the issue. They said they cannot “assess” the truth based on her “I knew nothing about this” statement even though it was already being talked about and then confirmed by outside sources before she admitted that she had the names unmasked.

On a side note, this alone should tell anyone that President Trumps campaign was under surveillance, even though it’s been down graded to “incidental” captures of conversation. This information was disseminated throughout the Governmental community to “keep it from disappearing” per Dr. Farkas’ own admission that she has back pedaled on ever since.

It’s saddening to see our own Government officials working against transparency that was promised to the American people by President Obama. President Obama has been the biggest prosecutor of Whistle Blowers in American history even though they are protected by Federal Law. We have a long way to go before any Presidential candidate will be an absolute favorite by any varied groups of Americans because the Obama administration changed the rules by which the game is played. The precedence it set paved the way for all the internal conflicts in our country yet to come.

And then there’s this …

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/07/detailed-paper-trail-for-rice-unmasking-requests-likely-exists-according-to-controversial-intel-sharing-document.html

If the leader of a country isn’t to be held to a higher standard than most people in that country, then we should just get rid of elections and choose our leaders by lottery.

I’m guessing you guys believe the President or Leader of any country should have comic book super powers and eternal life as well. What you’re describing is a perfect world and we don’t live in one which I’m sure you’ve noticed. That being said, there is no free pass, but there certainly is such a thing as real life. I expect the President or Leader to do they best they can with what they’ve been given to do the job they are tasked to do with the trust that has been entrusted to them. Strip away all the titles, paychecks, assumed amenities, and such and what do you have? A person. A human being. A sentient being that could go either way based on their surroundings, history, shortcomings, all the way down to the very air they breathe.

We have perpetuated this myth that Leader automatically means royalty of the highest virtue and responsibility. We as beings are not evolved enough to accept and fulfill such a revered position especially considering the President is not the final law of the land or the planet. Since there is little unity in the world it is likely that all human beings will answer for our failings, not one single man.

Jetrell Fo said:

Frink is correct

The state of this world is decaying every day…

MalàStrana said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Frink is correct

The state of this world is decaying every day…

It is indeed but it was the only answer to give.

chyron8472 said:

@Jetrell, again with the hyperbole. -.- No one said the President needed super powers. The President ought to be smarter-than-average-bear, though, to coin a phrase. And Trump is extremely egocentric and easy to manipulate, as well as surrounding himself with the crazy conspiracy theorists of Breitbart and InfoWars.

I’m not arguing your points with you, yeesh, I’m wanting to be realistic. The guy just got in to office, he’s not a lifelong politician, he has some bad history behind him to fix, he has his own money, there is going to be a learning curve no matter how he or anyone else feels about it all. No President in our history was perfect, without conflict, without defiance, without naysayers, none. Yeah, he’s a bit animated and outspoken, but I do believe he wants to work to better himself and the world around him.

I’m not telling anyone they HAVE to believe as I do nor am I telling anyone NOT to expect less than better. I DO think a little more realistic thought and expectation could be exercised.

Or is this all hyperbole and everything you disagree with as well?

Jetrell Fo said:

I’m guessing you guys believe the President or Leader of any country should have comic book super powers and eternal life as well.