Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 206

SilverWook said:

Jetrell Fo said:

SilverWook said:

Jetrell Fo said:

said:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/undocumented-husband-indiana-trump-voter-deported-article-1.3024780

Beristain’s wife voted for President Trump in November and previously said she believed in the Republican’s immigration policies. In February, he ordered officials to be more aggressive in arresting and deporting those living in the U.S. illegally.

“I think our President is going to keep all the good people here,” she said in a March interview with WSBT. “He is not going to tear up families. I don’t think he wants to do that. He just wants to keep us safe."

Here is why this man was deported. The article says it but the op does not.

Beristain had a work permit, driver’s license, social security information, paid his taxes and was in the process of obtaining an immigrant visa, one of his attorneys, Jason Flora, told the news station. He had no criminal record.

Beristain during a family vacation in 2000 took a wrong turn to Niagara falls that put him past the Canadian border. When he tried to return to the country, officials denied him entrance and placed a deportation order on him, his 14-year-old daughter, Jasmine previously told the Daily News.

His wife was pregnant at the time, so he ignored the order. Beristain didn’t want to leave her alone, Helen said in a March interview.

Beristain’s deportation came on the same day attorneys filed a court document aimed at keeping Beristain in the country. The document claims he wasn’t given due process when he first received his deportation order in 2000. Beristain was deported before a judge had time to issue a ruling.

He wasn’t just targeted and returned for no good reason.

I wasn’t aware accidentally crossing the Canadian border, (which seems poorly marked as this seems to happen all the time) was a criminal act.

I wasn’t referring to that and you know it.

It’s 2017. They couldn’t look up all the info you posted above, and come the conclusion deporting him was of dubious value as he was in the pipeline to get a visa? Or did accidentally crossing the Canadian border 17 years ago make him a “bad hombre” by default?

He was in the VISA process because he had been in the pipeline undocumented for 17 years. I mean, how does one get a driver’s license, social security card, and such without citizen status? I’m guessing, may be going out on a limb here, that his case may mirror that woman not so long ago. The one that had fake paperwork that kept her in the country illegally. It also sounds to me, by the way the article words what ICE supposedly said to him, that this family was already aware it might happen or knew it was coming. They rolled the dice.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/donald-trump-interrupts-star-wars-to-provoke-actual-war-1794091051

Ryan McAvoy said:

Did the deported husband vote for Trump too? If not, wouldn’t it have been fairer to have deported the wife instead?

No. he did not, lol. I’m guessing he was ineligible to vote legally but somehow legal enough to legally own his own business, legally have a social security number, and a legal driver’s license.

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

TV’s Frink said:

Republicans killed the Supreme Court filibuster. But maybe they shouldn’t have?

All they have to do is change the rules back before the next election.

Won’t this encourage the Dems to do the same thing when they get control of the Senate?

Not when, but if.

So you don’t think the Dems will ever regain control of the Senate?

In the short term, 2016 was the best opportunity for the Dems to retake the Senate. Have you seen the 2018 Senate map? That’s what I’d call a “Dems lose 5 seats” map. 2020 looks good for the Dems, but not good enough to come back from a deficit that big, so the earliest they need to worry about that is 2022. In the meantime, Republicans almost have enough legislatures to start monkeying with the Constitution directly, and repealing the 17th Amendment has always been a dare-to-dream Conservative longshot wishlist item. Once that’s done, the Dems can win all the votes they want in 2022 (and beyond) and still can’t take the Senate. It will be just like the House today, where all the pundits just assume it doesn’t matter how well the Dems do with the voters, the Republicans will retain control.

I think it unlikely that the 17th Amendment will get repealed. Remember, in order to do so, you have pass another amendment. To do that, it needs to pass no only Congress(where 2/3rds is needed), but also 3/4ths of the state legislatures(which means 38 of the states would have to pass it). Even if it were to pass. It would mean that the state governments themselves would pick the US Senators. Each state could decide to allow the voters to elect them or the state legislature could pick them(is the Dems controlled the majority of said state legislature, they would no doubt pick Dems to be that state’s US Senators). The Dems could still gain control of the Senate.

TV’s Frink said:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/donald-trump-interrupts-star-wars-to-provoke-actual-war-1794091051

Did they at least turn the sound down? (Then again, maybe it would have been better to turn the sound up and drown the jerk out)

Drown out Trump? I think that would violate the laws of physics.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/327669-trump-weve-had-one-of-the-most-successful-13-weeks-in-history

Sounds reasonable.

TV’s Frink said:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/327669-trump-weve-had-one-of-the-most-successful-13-weeks-in-history

Sounds reasonable.

Is he high?

No, just a serial liar.

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

TV’s Frink said:

Republicans killed the Supreme Court filibuster. But maybe they shouldn’t have?

All they have to do is change the rules back before the next election.

Won’t this encourage the Dems to do the same thing when they get control of the Senate?

Not when, but if.

So you don’t think the Dems will ever regain control of the Senate?

In the short term, 2016 was the best opportunity for the Dems to retake the Senate. Have you seen the 2018 Senate map? That’s what I’d call a “Dems lose 5 seats” map. 2020 looks good for the Dems, but not good enough to come back from a deficit that big, so the earliest they need to worry about that is 2022. In the meantime, Republicans almost have enough legislatures to start monkeying with the Constitution directly, and repealing the 17th Amendment has always been a dare-to-dream Conservative longshot wishlist item. Once that’s done, the Dems can win all the votes they want in 2022 (and beyond) and still can’t take the Senate. It will be just like the House today, where all the pundits just assume it doesn’t matter how well the Dems do with the voters, the Republicans will retain control.

I think it unlikely that the 17th Amendment will get repealed. Remember, in order to do so, you have pass another amendment. To do that, it needs to pass no only Congress(where 2/3rds is needed), but also 3/4ths of the state legislatures(which means 38 of the states would have to pass it). Even if it were to pass. It would mean that the state governments themselves would pick the US Senators. Each state could decide to allow the voters to elect them or the state legislature could pick them(is the Dems controlled the majority of said state legislature, they would no doubt pick Dems to be that state’s US Senators). The Dems could still gain control of the Senate.

I’d certainly like to believe that an opposition party could someday take one of the branches of government, or one of the houses of the legislative branch. That’s pretty much the definition of a functional democracy.

The Dems have had control of the Senate before, they will get it again.

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I see.

Even alt-right buffoon Richard Spencer is against this.

I’m rather frustrated with this right now, so I’ll just post some things I’ve seen.

Edit: Another

Even Trump’s biggest sycophants can’t twist this into some bullshit 4D chess narrative.

So what would you have done?

My favorite take has been from Mark Harris:

It is possible to disagree about what to do in Syria, or even not to know how you feel. It is not possible to believe we’re in good hands.

Saying this proves your vote doesn’t matter is pretty dang silly. First of all, Trump lies. No one should expect to believe literally anything he says. Second of all, you’re really telling me that in this scenario it doesn’t matter if Trump or Clinton is in charge? There’s a lot more to governing than policy (and that’s to say nothing of the fact that this is just one policy element).

As for the “No puppet!” stuff, I think most don’t literally believe that Trump is Putin’s puppet (having his ear at all times like how SNL portrays him). It’s obviously not as simple as that. The signs that Trump is too cozy with Putin are pretty evident, and he doesn’t have to literally be Putin’s puppet for that to be a problem. And I can’t for the life of me understand why people are okay with it and denying it (well, blindly loyal Republicans I get, but everyone else should have no issue seeing what’s going on). As for where Putin fits into this particular mess? I’m certain it is far too early to tell.

As for the whole power vacuum situation? God knows. It’s a scary path we’re going down for sure. I’m faaaar from anything resembling a hawk, but I have to say those Geneva conventions are there for a reason. Something has to be done. Is this the right way to do it? I really doubt it, but for the sake of the world, let’s hope.

TV’s Frink said:

So what would you have done?

Do you agree with Trump’s decision?

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

So what would you have done?

Do you agree with Trump’s decision?

That’s not an answer.