Pretty simple really.
Why didn’t you say so!
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
I’m not 100% sure what you are referring to in your post?
Sorry, I thought my post was more clear. Anything not mentioned or alluded to in the OT, even if it doesn’t actually conflict with the OT, automatically sucks 'cause it’s different.
WYRS
So anything new they come up with for the new films that wasn’t in the OT sucks, but the new films also suck for being too derivative of the OT? Am I getting it?
I’m not 100% sure what you are referring to in your post?
Sorry, I thought my post was more clear. The magic crystal thing is not Star Wars. You won’t find **** like that in the original three movies. Some creatively challenged animated TV-writer of limited ability, or some creatively challenged EU author of limited writing ability, came up with it out of his ***, and Disney’s creatively bankrupt hacks decided to borrow it, as they are accustomed to doing.
Well…
The Force is all around us. It can be collected and transmitted through the use of a Kiber Crystal. It’s the only way to amplify the power of the Force within you. - Ben Kenobi, in “The Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Starkiller, Third-Draft, August 1975”
The idea of the Kaiburr crystal can be traced to the earliest incarnations of the script for Star Wars; specifically, the May 1, 1975 “Story Synopsis and Typed Outline” from “The Adventures of Luke Starkiller (episode one) ‘The Star Wars’.” There it was spelled as a “Kiber Crystal” and acted as a MacGuffin, or device driving the story, for the heroes to capture. Ben Kenobi was intended to explain to Luke Skywalker how the Kiber Crystal collected the Force and allowed the wielder to use it. Eventually, in a later edition of the draft, “The Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Starkiller, Third-Draft, August 1975,” the plot was expanded to include Kenobi attempting to capture his personal Kiber Crystal from the “Crystal Chamber” on the Imperial throne world of Alderaan. The elder Jedi would explain how it had been taken from him during the Battle of Condawn—the same battle in which Skywalker’s father died—by one of Kenobi’s disciples. The few crystals that remained were held in the Alderaanian Crystal Chamber. Later, Skywalker was to utilize the crystal in his fight with Darth Vader.
Pretty simple really.
New stuff that is Star Wars is good.
New stuff that is not Star Wars is bad.
Magic crystal bull**** is not Star Wars.
Therefore, magic crystal bull**** is bad.
Pretty simple really.
Good. We can finally discuss why discarded ideas got discarded. That will be a hard argument for you to win.
There’s a very close to zero percent chance we’ll ever see an alternate cut of RO.
Maybe not official, but there will be a rayedit shortly after the BD release. Nothing major, just chopping out a few lines of dialog and the super dumb pignose/assmouth cameo. (and maybe using a few shots from the trailers?)
I still can’t believe there are now 4 Star Wars films that I like. I know a bunch of ya liked TFA, so there’s been over a year for you to get used to that feeling, but it’s still a shocker for me!
I’m still waiting for a third.
The Person in Question
I’m still waiting for the first.
Tobar said:
Pretty simple really.
I’m still fuzzy on the whole good bad thing Egon.
Magic crystals are fantasy which is good, but if they’re in Star Wars it becomes sci-fi which is bad, but this is about wizards which are good, but magic crystals make magic laser beams and swords work so that’s bad, even though they don’t obey the laws of physics which is fantasy, so this is good? Although it’s just an extension of mystical amulets? And in the end this is kind of irrelevant to anything in the narrative anyway? It’s almost like this is just some kind of minor detail that allows for another series of banal complaints over things that don’t really matter or determine movie quality on the whole.
I’m still waiting for a third.
just drink more coffee. oh, third. my bad.
So anything new they come up with for the new films that wasn’t in the OT sucks, but the new films also suck for being too derivative of the OT? Am I getting it?
Quoth the Homer incorrectly quothing the Burns, “Exactly.”
New stuff that is Star Wars is good.
New stuff that is not Star Wars is bad.
Magic crystal bull**** is not Star Wars.
Therefore, magic crystal bull**** is bad.
So where in Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, or Return of the Jedi is it stated that “magic crystals” don’t exist?
They didn’t exist by omission. It was the style of the films.
That’s a bullshit answer and you know it.
It was definitely not a bullshit answer. Style is one of the most important aspects of films. Your mileage may vary.
The OT straddled a very fine line between that which is and that which is not but could possibly be. It never veered into fantasy make-believe stuff. Even the presentation of The Force was carefully crafted and cultivated by people much more talented than George Lucas.
It was actually when those voices were no longer involved in the making of the movies, that you got George’s ideas for what Star Wars was really about: midichlorians, video game battles between fighters, etc.
Tobar said:
Pretty simple really.I’m still fuzzy on the whole good bad thing Egon.
Magic crystals are fantasy which is good, but if they’re in Star Wars it becomes sci-fi which is bad, but this is about wizards which are good, but magic crystals make magic laser beams and swords work so that’s bad, even though they don’t obey the laws of physics which is fantasy, so this is good? Although it’s just an extension of mystical amulets? And in the end this is kind of irrelevant to anything in the narrative anyway? It’s almost like this is just some kind of minor detail that allows for another series of banal complaints over things that don’t really matter or determine movie quality on the whole.
Can I go now?
They didn’t exist by omission. It was the style of the films.
He returned to the idea in Splinter in the Mind’s Eye table sessions. It wa an idea George very much wanted to use.
dupe
It was definitely not a bullshit answer. Style is one of the most important aspects of films. Your mileage may vary.
Yeah, it is a bullshit answer. Going by your logic, nobody brushes their teeth, trims one’s nails, takes showers, does the dishes, walks the family pet, reads a book, has sex, or takes a dump in the SW Universe either because the OT never shows that happening. Every soul’s just a black-toothed, claw-bearing, filthy, petless, illiterate, asexual, constipated individual with tons of dirty dishes pilled up in their sink.
I’m still waiting for a third.
just drink more coffee. oh, third. my bad.
Hello
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The Force must not resemble anything magical, even though it’s mostly designed to resemble magic anyway.
Okay then.
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Yeah, it is a bullshit answer. Going by your logic, nobody brushes their teeth, trims one’s nails, takes showers, does the dishes, walks the family pet, reads a book, has sex, or takes a dump in the SW Universe either because the OT never shows that happening. Every soul’s just a black-toothed, claw-bearing, filthy, petless, illiterate, asexual, constipated individual with tons of dirty dishes pilled up in their sink.
I think you got lost in the forest somewhere, Duracell.
Pretty simple really.
Good. We can finally discuss why discarded ideas got discarded. That will be a hard argument for you to win.
It wasn’t discarded. It appeared in Splinter of The Mind’s Eye, which was almost the Star Wars sequel.
Where were you in '77?
Yeah, it is a bullshit answer. Going by your logic, nobody brushes their teeth, trims one’s nails, takes showers, does the dishes, walks the family pet, reads a book, has sex, or takes a dump in the SW Universe either because the OT never shows that happening. Every soul’s just a black-toothed, claw-bearing, filthy, petless, illiterate, asexual, constipated individual with tons of dirty dishes pilled up in their sink.
I think you got lost in the forest somewhere, Duracell.
Translation:
Not only that, but the original plan in Empire was for the crystal in Luke’s blade to be what helped guide him to Dagobah.
It really wasn’t tossed into the wayside.