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To be honest I agree. As long as it looks good I could give ashit less how “accurate” it is.
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I remember these films most fondly with the 2002 sets, when I went to watch the '09 Wrath of Khan Blu-ray, something was seriously off-putting about it, it wasn’t what I remembered enjoying so much. I expect the others would recieve the same reaction.
I remember reading several different people’s comments saying that the '09 color-timing was actually closer to what they remembered seeing on the 35mm prints. The '09 is probably still too blue but the '02 also looks too red. 2016 is the goldilocks edition.
Wait, is the 2016 too gold? I thought it hit the mark perfectly, but then again, I never really noticed anything wrong with the Raiders bluray until this place pointed it out (which I’m still totally fine with…)
What suspiciouscoffee said. I simply meant that it was “just right.”
But what’s weird is that I was literally going to bring up the Raiders blu-ray earlier in the thread! It’s another good example of a movie from the early 80’s we can’t confidently know the original theatrical color-timing of. Some people said it was closer to the ld, others thought the WoWoW broadcast nailed it.
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One thing I’ve always wondered is how the ABC cut for III could’ve been. I know II’s cut was essentially a testbed for the director’s edition, though it still had extra new footage left out of later releases (i.e., Kirk and Spock’s discussion after the opening simulation, where it’s revealed Saavik is half-Romulan). From what I’ve remember, wasn’t the network’s schedule nuked and III was rushed onto TV instead of giving them time to assemble a new cut?
I also wonder if there’s a copy of III’s ABC cut out there in decent shape. The only copy I have is a rough transfer from a beat-up VHS tape I found in storage, and it’s really hard to sit through.
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The ABC cut of TSFS was an edited for tv massacre. Uhura’s scene with Mr. Adventure in the transporter room was sliced to the bone, as were other character moments that make the film. ABC would hardly air extra footage after cramming it into a two hour timeslot with commericals.
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The ABC cut of TSFS was an edited for tv massacre. Uhura’s scene with Mr. Adventure in the transporter room was sliced to the bone, as were other character moments that make the film. ABC would hardly air extra footage after cramming it into a two hour timeslot with commericals.
You’re forgetting the biggest crime, in the very beginning. Cut from Spock’s casket on Genesis and the main titles straight to the Klingon freighter scene, omitting the entire opening monologue by Kirk during the Enterprise’s limp home.
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The ABC cut of TSFS was an edited for tv massacre. Uhura’s scene with Mr. Adventure in the transporter room was sliced to the bone, as were other character moments that make the film. ABC would hardly air extra footage after cramming it into a two hour timeslot with commericals.
You’re forgetting the biggest crime, in the very beginning. Cut from Spock’s casket on Genesis and the main titles straight to the Klingon freighter scene, omitting the entire opening monologue by Kirk during the Enterprise’s limp home.
Well, it has been over 30 years since I saw that broadcast. 😉
Only reason it sticks in my mind at all is Starlog magazine commented on it at the time.
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Just for curiosity’s sake, what is you guys’ opinion of Search for Spock? I personally think it’s the most underrated Trek film, and one of the best in the series.
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I liked it overall. The good parts outweigh the plot nitpicks. And how great was it to see Sarek again back in '84? Amazingly, I didn’t get spoiled that he was going to be in the movie. I didn’t appreciate how much the character meant to some people until a fellow fan I knew from college was terribly upset at Sarek’s final fate on TNG.
You’d think Starfleet brass had seen and experienced enough strange phenomena to accept the possibility that McCoy wasn’t going nuts. And how did the general public find out about the whole Genesis incident before the Enterprise even got home? The cynic in me felt at the time David was being thrown under the bus, because now that TWOK proved Trek movies had legs, the new kids had to go. (And Savvik was gone, never to be heard from again after TVH.) Kirk’s reaction to David’s death is probably one of Shatner’s finest moments in all of Trek.
I still get a little choked up at the Enterprise’s destruction. (Setting the self destruct is almost word for word from the third season episode Let That Be Your Last Battlefield) That wrecking the Enterprise has been done one time too many over the years, has not robbed this sequence of it’s power.
Just about everybody gets great moments in this. (McCoy’s reaction to learning what Spock did to him is priceless.) Sulu gets to kick butt, and Uhura can lock me in a closet anytime. 😉
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Search for Spock is my favourite Trek film.
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It’d hard for me to rank the films, but The Search for Spock is really up there for me. It gets bashed way harder than it deserves, as it’s a perfect sequel and really packs a wallop when seen right after Khan. From a technical aspect, it introduced so much to the Star Trek universe. Earth Spacedock, the Excelsior class, Oberth class, the idea of Transwarp, the Klingon Bird-of-Prey, and the special effects to go along with it were all top-notch. The Enterprise destruction is still the second most powerful scene in all of Star Trek to me, first being Spock’s death and funeral, third being the sign-off sequence at the end of The Undiscovered Country. It’s a shame it gets overlooked by a lot of people who buy into the whole ‘odd-numbered Trek films are bad’ thing.
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Valeris in Star Trek VI was supposed to be Saavik, but they decided against it at the last minute.
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Valeris in Star Trek VI was supposed to be Saavik, but they decided against it at the last minute.
That would have been a more shocking betrayal.
P.S. If you ever wanted to see Valeris taking a hot shower, the 1992 Rutger Hauer action flick Split Second is for you. Kim Cattrall made it right after VI, and still sports her Vulcan haircut. 😉
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Just for curiosity’s sake, what is you guys’ opinion of Search for Spock? I personally think it’s the most underrated Trek film, and one of the best in the series.
I don’t think it’s bad, I always watch it as part of the mid series plot line. I really like the first half at Starfleet, it gives all the characters a moment and it feels like a fun heist movie. The word is no, into the closet etc etc. The second half becomes kind of shlock with the classic bad Star Trek planet and the punching. Like some TOS series of course. But the pacing goes off for me at this stage and the death of David doesn’t feel earned since we never see him doing anything with his dad. Thankfully they work this into his early motivation in STVI which is a great idea.
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Search for Spock might be the first movie (in general I mean, not just Trek) that I can clearly remember watching. It was 1990 and I would have been five years old, was at West Coast Video with my mom and she must have randomly picked it off the shelf to rent.
Watched it, loved it, was hooked from there on out. Rented the other movies, even rented Encounter at Farpoint and the uncut The Cage that goes black-and-white during certain scenes. TNG became appointment television every week. Saw TUC in the theater and was blown away. Didn’t even get into Star Wars until around '92 or so, but I knew of them as Bart would say.
What I remember finding out very early on was that ILM worked not only on Star Wars but also several of the Trek films. It felt very cool to realize these two franchises shared that connection.
Oh, and thank you for bringing up Oberth class, SwissArmyTin. I was going crazy back in September trying to remember the name of it without looking it up first.
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Search for Spock might be the first movie (in general I mean, not just Trek) that I can clearly remember watching. It was 1990 and I would have been five years old, was at West Coast Video with my mom and she must have randomly picked it off the shelf to rent.
Watched it, loved it, was hooked from there on out. Rented the other movies, even rented Encounter at Farpoint and the uncut The Cage that goes black-and-white during certain scenes. TNG became appointment television every week. Saw TUC in the theater and was blown away. Didn’t even get into Star Wars until around '92 or so, but I knew of them as Bart would say.
What I remember finding out very early on was that ILM worked not only on Star Wars but also several of the Trek films. It felt very cool to realize these two franchises shared that connection.
Oh, and thank you for bringing up Oberth class, SwissArmyTin. I was going crazy back in September trying to remember the name of it without looking it up first.
I live and breathe the Tech Manuals. Ship classes, designs, and layouts are one of my favorite parts of Trek to be honest.
Oh, speaking of that black-and-white version of The Cage, I don’t own the Bluray or DVD of TOS, just a handful of the 80s-run VHS tapes, including that version of The Cage. It has a really neat featurette at the beginning with Roddenberry himself walking along the dimly-lit sets of the Enterprise (circa III). It ended with him in Engineering, which I believe was the last time that set was filmed on before meddling by the TNG crew. Total shame, as that configuration of the set has always been my favorite.
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Valeris in Star Trek VI was supposed to be Saavik, but they decided against it at the last minute.
That would have been a more shocking betrayal.
That was Roddenberry’s problem with it. Kim Cattrall also refused to be another recast of Saavik.
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Search for Spock might be the first movie (in general I mean, not just Trek) that I can clearly remember watching. It was 1990 and I would have been five years old, was at West Coast Video with my mom and she must have randomly picked it off the shelf to rent.
Watched it, loved it, was hooked from there on out. Rented the other movies, even rented Encounter at Farpoint and the uncut The Cage that goes black-and-white during certain scenes. TNG became appointment television every week. Saw TUC in the theater and was blown away. Didn’t even get into Star Wars until around '92 or so, but I knew of them as Bart would say.
What I remember finding out very early on was that ILM worked not only on Star Wars but also several of the Trek films. It felt very cool to realize these two franchises shared that connection.
Oh, and thank you for bringing up Oberth class, SwissArmyTin. I was going crazy back in September trying to remember the name of it without looking it up first.
I live and breathe the Tech Manuals. Ship classes, designs, and layouts are one of my favorite parts of Trek to be honest.
Oh, speaking of that black-and-white version of The Cage, I don’t own the Bluray or DVD of TOS, just a handful of the 80s-run VHS tapes, including that version of The Cage. It has a really neat featurette at the beginning with Roddenberry himself walking along the dimly-lit sets of the Enterprise (circa III). It ended with him in Engineering, which I believe was the last time that set was filmed on before meddling by the TNG crew. Total shame, as that configuration of the set has always been my favorite.
The funny thing is that the version is actually a DIFFERENT cut than the other releases.
The Cage has way too many versions :
- 35mm version - never “leaked” so we have no clue what it was
- 16mm version - much longer than any officially released version, different sound mix containing alternate/missing music cues
- The Menagerie - the 2 part story features many bits from The Cage, including a couple of shots which were not used in any other “restoration” of The Cage
- 1986 hybrid version - this is the version which has the Roddenberry intro and is partially black & white, this version unfortunately contains many video/audio changes done specifically for the Menagerie, it’s shorter than the 16mm version but still longer than any later releases. The most notable cut is during Vina’s speech when she explains why she is obeying the Talosians, and a cut during the final confrontation between the Magistrate and Pike. Also the Talosians speak with high pitched voiced during the colour parts and with low pitched voice during the black and white parts, they spoke with low pitched voiced all the time in the 16mm version.
- 1988 full color restoration - Bob Furmanek found the colour trims and sold them to Roddenberry, so this version took as its base the 1986 version, the audio is taken directly from the 1986 version (with some brutal hiss reduction done for the parts coming from the black and white print), but the video is a mess. They probably didn’t find all the trims, because way too many times they cut do a reused shot or slow down a shot (sometimes drastically) so that it matches the audio. This version was part of the TV special “The Star Trek Saga : From One Generation To the Next” and apparently also released on a Japan-only laserdisc.
- 2001 DVD restoration - some of the original music was restored (meaning some of the changes done for both The Menagerie and the 1986 version are undone), however this version is again shorter. Many shots were trimmed and we lost the “wild little animal” monologue. Also some shots are different. At least the original speed was restored on the previously slowed down shots, and if I remember correctly again some shots were replaced by other shots. Also all of the Talosian voices were pitch corrected to sound more female.
- 2008 Blu-ray “original” version - some shots are trimmed even more, making this version again slightly shorter than the previous one, if I remember correctly some shots are again replaced
- 2008 Blu-ray “enhanced” version - the same as version 7, but all the effects are now CGI
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Possible April Fools joke says Rainn Wilson is playing Harry Mudd in Discovery.
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Sounds good to me. I wouldn’t be surprised if the captain just kicks him off the ship on a shuttle or something.
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It’s a very brief cameo where he hits on the lead character and is immediately put on an escape pod and blasted into space. Cue opening credits.
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Is Discovery still supposed to come out in May? I seem to recall it being delayed again, but can’t find any record of the second delay.
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Is Discovery still supposed to come out in May? I seem to recall it being delayed again, but can’t find any record of the second delay.
I heard September is now what they are aiming at.
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Nick Meyer’s dog tweeted the word “August” before the tweet got removed
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Nick Meyer’s dog tweeted the word “August” before the tweet got removed
I love that they only real news we get is from Nick Meyer’s dog.
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That dog probably knows if we’re getting the OOT this year.