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Originally posted by: ricarleite
OK I'll answer the ones I think I could add anything else. You'd probably think I'm repeating myself on the other questions (not exactly questions, but...)Quote
Originally posted by: Kingsama
wow way to dodge the question. i was looking for if other crimes rose, you no from people not being able to stop them. You are a lot less likely to get robbed if you have a gun under the counter, or car jacked if you can defend yourself. Of course simply stating % a is smaller then %b is over simplifying.
Did I dodge the question? Sorry. What I tried to say is that no, the number of occurences of other crimes did not rose. Gun related incidents did drop. And by the way, we have a STRONG pro-gun comunity here, that thinks the same way you do.Quote
Originally posted by: Kingsama
So let me ask you a question, you and i are both asleep in our respected homes, a crook breaks into both our homes, I grab the 410 shot gun from under my bed, load it and prepare to defend my family, you do what??? call the cops and wait the 10 minutes for them to arrive.
Can i ask you a quesiton, what type of neighborhood did you grow up in???
First the last question: Quite a violent one. I live in the second most violent city in Brazil, maybe the... 8th or 9th most violent city in the world. I was not raised in the most violent areas, but I was also not in a good area either. I've been mugged with a gun pointed to my head once.
The second question: Yes, I'd perhaps call the cops. As would do 99% of the population here, who dosen't own a gun. I see your point, the "cut the middleman" thing and "protect" your own people. But what I intend to do is to make sure those criminals never get to my house. We should focus on making sure people don't get into crime at all. We should focus on preventing violence to happen in first place, instead of just grabbing a bigger gun and shooting whoever trespasses my properties.
Now let me ask you, do you live in a violent neighborhhod? Ever needed to fire your gun? (I'm not sure you have one)
Now, before we continue this conversation, PLEASE, please, let's not turn this polite discussion into a fight. I'm offering my point of view, and I'm accepting yours. I can see your point, I really do, and I know you at least understand mine - you don't necessarily agree, but you understand what I'm talking about. Is any of us right about such topic? Hell no, these are opinions, no one is fully correct. What I intend to do when I express my opinion is never to force someone to accept it, I don't want that, we are free to make our own choices. What I want is to make sure another point of view is known. If we politely discuss a topic and all the points of views and issues are discussed, then with that full knoledge of the topic we can make a clear decision... LOL I'm not sure I made myself clear
* raises hands, offering to shake it *
I have nothing against anyone in this forum and I never will - I felt our conversation got a little bit too harsh and I don't want this to get ugly. OK?
Last things first...
I am with you, i love this forum and the people in it. It is one of the most well read, well spoken places i have had the pleasure of visiting. And i didnt mean to seem to go agro on you(but can see why you might have thought so). I just love to have a good debate sometimes and i am very competative. So i apologize if i came across to strong, i really enjoy your POV and have done so ever since joining up here. Do i agree with you? generally no, but i still apreciate what you have to say, i would hate to live in a world full of people like me, the world needs balance or else things would be horrible. The last thing i want is for this to get ugly too. so in short, we're cool.
and please forgive my agro banter, i talk that way to my friends, and at times i forget that you only see me and a avatar and text, where as they know me. One day i will get the hang of this internet thing...By the By where are you from in Brazil i have a very dear friend in Sao Paulo, yes i know its a huge country and uber city so i dont expect you to know them. By the way the were you from question was not just for debate purposes, i was just trying to see a lil of your background so i could understand where you are coming from.
as for where i grew up, i am from the country. I took minutes to get to the neighbors not seconds. So we didnt really see a whole lot of folks. I do own two guns though, one is more a collectors thing, and the other just a .22 rifle which i wouldnt wield for household protection. In time i will probably buy a pistol grip 410 for the house though as well as some sort of hand gun. Thank G-d i have been blessed with the finacial ability to live in a nice community, so i dont have to worry about this as much as others. I have never had to use a gun for protection, but i do know people that have. I m only 24 and have only lived in my own home for 2 years now so its not like i have had alot of experience. As for the home invasion, dont get me wrong, i would call the cops too, but i would want some protection in the mean time. My families house has never burned down, but i will always have home owners insurance just in case it does.
I hole heartedly agree that education and social intervention is the way to go, but like with insurance i just want a back up plan. I work with at risk youth and am trying to make a difference, but i have to say for every 2 or 3 we reach 1 gets lost. I just never want to be in a position to where i didnt have the means to protect my wife and my kids. In my mind the gov, and the police are incapable of making me 100% safe and i just couldnt live with myself if something happened and i couldnt stop it...