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Originally posted by: Kingsama
1. I hate to break it too you, but organized martial arts generally are worthless save for teaching self decipline, improving self esteem, and protecting yourself from the average joe. Watch any of the first 7 ufc pay per views and you will see people with 5th degree black belts get beat by some guy who is a bouncer. Further more statistically speaking more people die in knife related violence then guns, at least in the US. Should we ban them too? If you could theoretically take away all the guns, which would never ever happen, then what do you do with the knives, the basball bats, the sharp sticks, etc?
My point in mentioning the Krav Maga is that it makes as much sense as buying a gun to "protect youself". If you are fast enough to grab your gun while you're having another gun pointed to your head by an unstable individual, and pulling the trigger before him, THEN perhaps you're fast enough to disarm him without actually shooting him.
then you dont know how to use a gun. If you have ever had a class their are systematic ways to stop the gun from being "snatched" out of your hand. That happens in the movies, but if you know what you are doing and keep a good distance and use the right technique it wont happen.
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Originally posted by: Kingsama
2. Do you know how easy it is to get an illegal weapon? If you know the right people, which isnt hard to do if you are truely motivated, you could go buy a hand gun for less than 35 dollars. Heck i have been offered a .22 calibur hand gun for $15. Where there is a will there is a way.
No, I don't know how easy it is to get a weapon. I know how easy it USED to be, when guns were legal over here (well, actually, it was kinda hard back then, you had to prove you knew how to shoot, prove you are mentally stable and sane, take some tests...).
I cant speak from where you are, forgive me if its not brazil, but i can for where i am from , and though i have moved since my last offer to by a guy for 15 dollars i am more than sure i could have a hand gun by tuesday if i really really wanted too.
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Originally posted by: Kingsama
3.Growing up as a kid we had guns in the home. I knew where they were and i knew where the ammo was for them(though it was locked up). Never once did i think how cool it would be to play russian rulett, or take the shotgun out back and play with it. Though i am not a big gun enthueist now, and my families trips to the firing range wained as we moved to the burbs, i still understand the how to handle a fire arm. I can remember sitting on the tail gate of my grandads truck in the desert watching my family (mom, grandma, dad, grandad etc.) shoot cans and other assorted safe targets. I can remeber getting my first red rider at 4 or 5 and my dad showing how where and why to use it. If you educate your children they wont do something so stupid. Growing up i had thousands upon thousands of talks about the dangers of , in combination with the handling of, guns, the tools (power and other) in the work shop, cars, knives, weed eaters, mowers, electricity, gasoline, fire, this that and the other thing. Did i do stupid things? sure like any kid, but nothing stupid enough to harm someone or something beyond home grown medical care. Give kids credit they arent little mindless minons. I remember at a very young age seeing what a gun could do to a tin can and recognizing with very little aid from my pops that it would not be good to to that to a person.
3- Three or four year old kids don't even get the concept of DEATH, much less guns. If one is available to them, what do you think may happen. And, of course, there's the Columbine scenario, which I rather not talk about due to respect.
i am with you on not getting into the columbine issue, but i will say this, literally millons of "kids" have access to guns and dont do that, to simply blame guns for the horrific actions of a few is a gross gereralization.
As for kids and the concept of death, they may not be able to grasp the entirety of the concept of death, but they certainly can understand the idea that something isnt living again, that it isnt coming back, their fish aint gonna ever swim again, that hamster is done running on the wheel and that granny aint ever gonna be home again. Give kid some credit. They can also begin to understand what tools are for. I knew what a tooth brush was for at 3 or 4, why couldnt i understand that a projectile comes out of a gun? Watch 3 and 4 year olds play, they are doing a great deal of mimicing, but there is a basic understanding of concepts aka a 2 year old know fire = hot. No where did i state you could teach a child everything about guns, merely that if they are raised with them they can be trained how to use them properly
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Originally posted by: Kingsama
4. If there are no weapons factories who makes the guns for "those that need them". Further more if we the people have no guns than how to we protect ourselves from a corrupt authority, ie police department, governement, etc. Ultimate power ultimately corrupts. I am sorry i just dont have the faith in people you do. If we did stop gun manufacturing in all the world what makes you think that Kim Jong-Il, the many many drug lords through out the world, the uber rich psychos, bin laden, etc will stop. I am sorry i just dont want the good people to do something only to have the uber rich psychopaths not and then we all be in a world of hurt.
When we talk about the gun issue, there are two possible sides one can take: those who think the problem will be solved with more guns, those who think the problem will be solved with less guns. I belive the problem will be solved with LESS guns. I belive peace is the answer. If we arm everyone, the problem will NEVER go away, and therefore we are doomned to live in a world of chaos and violence forever. Violence is never the answer, NEVER. There is no need for wars if we chose to live in a cooperatively peace. If peace is an utopia, then we should all commit suicide right now, because it's pointles.
I have chosen to support peace and I'll never change my mind, even if I'm the only one in the world without a gun under my pillow.
Oh, and if you chose to keep your gun to protect yourself from Osama Bin Laden or from the president of North Korea, I say "good luck" to you.
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did you see Sage's point on switerland where they do arm everyone. I too would love to live in peace, but imo that is nothin more than a dream. In my mind the world is full of evil hateful people many of which would stab, shoot, kick to get what they want. We are doomed to live in a world of chaos and violence, it has always been that way and will always be that way look at history. Look at econimics for a second, the reason that it works so well is that it embraces man potential greed and corruption and sets up rules to govern it. where as other economic systems are based upon trusting others. Perhaps we just see things differently...Quote
Originally posted by: Kingsama
5. Gun related violence may have dropped, but whats happening to the murder rates and the non gun related violence rates? Of course there will be less gun violence if there are less guns, a crook doesnt have to worry about shooting any one if he is the only person on the block with the