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Originally posted by: ricarleite
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I agree with everything. But you see, to me this seems common sense. Why does this even have to be a debate. Criminals aren't going to obey gunlaws, so they only affect those who ALREADY obey the law. I'm honestly considering carrying some sort of weapon in my car or something for the odd event that I ever get robbed/mugged whenever I get out on my own.

I'd make a humourous analogy right now if I could think of one.

Chaltab, consider this:

1- In the eventuality of you getting mugged (btw, how often does that happen in the town where you live???), are you really going to grab you gun and shoot the guy? If you make a sudden move to grab you gun, he could get scared and shoot you first. If you really want to counter-atack, why don't you learn the KRAV MAGA, which is a Israeli self defence fighting system developed for these situations (you'll be able to disarm the man and break his arm without killing him).

2- Let's asume you leave your gun on your car, and it get stolen. That's another gun that'll be used to kill and rob and stuff.

3- Imagine you have your gun in your home and your kids find it. Then, they decide to imitate the russian roullete scene from "The Deer Hunter".

4- If we DISARM everyone, we'll be able to achieve peace, not by grabbing more guns! Violence creates more violence, as Ghandi said: "An eye for an eye will make everyone blind". Ghandi defeated the brutal and fully armed British Empire without firing a single shot. What we need is to CLOSE DOWN the weapons factories and ARREST those who manufacture weapons. Them, we need to disarm everyone, the people AND the criminals. If you arrest a criminal, you're obviously going to take his gun away. You'll probably say "oh, if you forbid selling weapons he'll buy a weapon on black market", ok, so we need to fight the gun industry everywhere the same way we fight the drug cartels. The price of a weapon would increase drastically, it would be highly unavaliable... The violence generated by these weapons would drop, therefore dropping the NEED for more weapons, and so on...

5- Consider this: About an year ago, weapons were officially banned over here. Only police officers, the army, and people who can REALLY justify that they need a weapon can carry one of those. People who already owned weapons were asked to give them away at police stations, and they were paid back. The guns were destroyed. Gun related violence cases dropped after a few months.

1. I hate to break it too you, but organized martial arts generally are worthless save for teaching self decipline, improving self esteem, and protecting yourself from the average joe. Watch any of the first 7 ufc pay per views and you will see people with 5th degree black belts get beat by some guy who is a bouncer. Further more statistically speaking more people die in knife related violence then guns, at least in the US. Should we ban them too? If you could theoretically take away all the guns, which would never ever happen, then what do you do with the knives, the basball bats, the sharp sticks, etc?

2. Do you know how easy it is to get an illegal weapon? If you know the right people, which isnt hard to do if you are truely motivated, you could go buy a hand gun for less than 35 dollars. Heck i have been offered a .22 calibur hand gun for $15. Where there is a will there is a way.

3.Growing up as a kid we had guns in the home. I knew where they were and i knew where the ammo was for them(though it was locked up). Never once did i think how cool it would be to play russian rulett, or take the shotgun out back and play with it. Though i am not a big gun enthueist now, and my families trips to the firing range wained as we moved to the burbs, i still understand the how to handle a fire arm. I can remember sitting on the tail gate of my grandads truck in the desert watching my family (mom, grandma, dad, grandad etc.) shoot cans and other assorted safe targets. I can remeber getting my first red rider at 4 or 5 and my dad showing how where and why to use it. If you educate your children they wont do something so stupid. Growing up i had thousands upon thousands of talks about the dangers of , in combination with the handling of, guns, the tools (power and other) in the work shop, cars, knives, weed eaters, mowers, electricity, gasoline, fire, this that and the other thing. Did i do stupid things? sure like any kid, but nothing stupid enough to harm someone or something beyond home grown medical care. Give kids credit they arent little mindless minons. I remember at a very young age seeing what a gun could do to a tin can and recognizing with very little aid from my pops that it would not be good to to that to a person.

4. If there are no weapons factories who makes the guns for "those that need them". Further more if we the people have no guns than how to we protect ourselves from a corrupt authority, ie police department, governement, etc. Ultimate power ultimately corrupts. I am sorry i just dont have the faith in people you do. If we did stop gun manufacturing in all the world what makes you think that Kim Jong-Il, the many many drug lords through out the world, the uber rich psychos, bin laden, etc will stop. I am sorry i just dont want the good people to do something only to have the uber rich psychopaths not and then we all be in a world of hurt.

5. Gun related violence may have dropped, but whats happening to the murder rates and the non gun related violence rates? Of course there will be less gun violence if there are less guns, a crook doesnt have to worry about shooting any one if he is the only person on the block with the gun...