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Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

Trumpy isn’t a private citizen anymore.

I thought he was entitled to privacy for his records from previous years, and only his years in office would have to be disclosed to the public.

But apparently, that’s false…although not in the way you would expect.

Individual income tax returns–including those of public figures–are private information, according to the IRS.

Trumpy is the one who said he would release them when the IRS audit is over, then quietly backtracked to never releasing them, period.

Where were you in '77?

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LOL!

Where were you in '77?

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TV’s Frink said:
She’d look pretty stupid if she was hyping something that isn’t new.

She looks and sounds stupid all the time. Nothing new for her.

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How so?

She’s the left-wing equivalent of Hannity or Limbaugh. She doesn’t report or give an intelligent take on anything, just plays to the base’s fears that the other side is the deepest darkest nightmare of political spew that they are always caricatured to be.

Can’t stand any of them, regardless of their political beliefs.

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She also made a fool of herself during and after the election, crying on air and blaming everything from the FBI to Russian spies to racist and homophobic suburbanites for electing Trump and sabotaging poor dear leader Hillary, who was just plain simply one of the most venal, corrupt, and incompetent major candidates in U.S. political history.

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I’m not sure you’ve ever actually watched her but ok.

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Alderaan said:

blaming everything from the FBI to Russian spies to racist and homophobic suburbanites for electing Trump

Those things all helped.

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/14/politics/trump-tax-returns-release/

The White House said Tuesday President Donald Trump earned more than $150 million in income and paid $38 million in taxes in 2005 even after taking into account large scale depreciation for construction.

The White House put the information out ahead of an anticipated MSNBC news report about the returns.

The $38 million was in addition to “paying tens of millions of dollars in other taxes such as sales and excise taxes and employment taxes,” a White House official said.

“You know you are desperate for ratings when you are willing to violate the law to push a story about two pages of tax returns from over a decade ago,” the official said Tuesday.

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I’ve watched her plenty of times. That’s exactly what she does. She gives the non-thinking left the same thing that Hannity and Limbaugh and O’Reilly and those jokers give the non-thinking right. Just political spew and red meat.

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Those things all helped.

She lost because:

  1. She was a bad candidate that most people don’t like or trust
  2. She’s corrupt
  3. She had incredibly out-of-touch, incompetent people running her campaign
  4. She didn’t understand the political climate of the country
  5. Had no message other than “vote for me because I’m a woman”
  6. Ran on identity politics.
  7. etc. etc. etc.

She lost because she was a bad candidate who people didn’t want to vote for. Some Democrats understood this almost immediately after election night, did some self-reflection, and will grow and make positive political contributions in the future. Others cried and blamed other people and looked for every excuse they could find for why they didn’t win. Hillary Clinton, Robby Mook, Rachel Maddow, their fire is going out of the universe I’m afraid.

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Looks like she’s getting killed on social media for wasting everyone’s time.

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Alderaan said:

She lost because she was a bad candidate who people didn’t want to vote for.

True. And also the other reasons you tried to discount. And even more reasons you didn’t bring up.

There is no one reason she lost. The tiny margin she lost by means that everything mattered. Some her fault, some her campaign’s fault, and some completely out of her control.

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Alderaan said:

Looks like she’s getting killed on social media for wasting everyone’s time.

And that may end up being the correct reaction, but it’s an hour-long show so it’s too soon to say.

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TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

Looks like she’s getting killed on social media for wasting everyone’s time.

And that may end up being the correct reaction, but it’s an hour-long show so it’s too soon to say.

I will admit that unless I’m missing something, there doesn’t seem to be much news here.

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TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

TV’s Frink said:

https://twitter.com/maddow/status/841807273513107456

It’s his 1040 from 2005.

Isn’t that the same one that was leaked during the campaign?

Here’s what was leaked earlier.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/01/us/politics/100000004684772.mobile.html?_r=0

I assume there’s new information coming on this. She’d look pretty stupid if she was hyping something that isn’t new.

Shit, I just realized the previously reported tax return was from 1995, so this is completely new. Still not terribly exciting so far.

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Alderaan said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Anyone who spends a lot of time traveling around the world comes to realize that while there are many aspects of other cultures that are bad, there are also a number of areas where other cultures are better than ours. In my travels I’ve been struck by some areas where our U.S. culture is really bad compared to others. To wit:

  • In most cultures, families care for their elderly relatives. We largely abandon our elderly.
  • In most cultures, being uneducated in math or science is considered embarrassing. Here it is often a badge of honor.
  • Most cultures know a LOT about what is going on in other countries. Here, we mostly have very little idea what is going on outside of the U.S.
  • Most cultures have far less obesity than we do.
  • Most cultures revere educators. Here, educators are routinely derided.
  • Most cultures eat more vegetables and less sugar than we do.
  • Most cultures drive far less than we do.
  • In most cultures, everyone knows their neighbors.
  • Most cultures revolve around small, local businesses. Here, Wal-Mart rules.
  • Most cultures value money less than ours.
  • Most cultures value art MUCH more highly than ours.
  • Most cultures have less violent crime, and far fewer shootings than ours.

My point is, we may be “great”, but we’re not even close to perfect. We can learn a LOT from other cultures, and would benefit from adopting many aspects of other cultures. Which leads me to my final example - most cultures (with a couple of notable exceptions) aren’t as gol-darn stubbornly insistent that they are better than everyone else!!!

Great post, Puggo. People like to focus on the aspects of other cultures that they feel are inferior to theirs, and sure there are always going to be some things like that. But then, like you said, even cultures we might think are backwards, will be superior to ours in some ways.

Yeah, but I don’t think that having better art or better food makes up for stuff like honor killing, female genital mutilation, and marriage to youth. I doubt you do either.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Alderaan said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Anyone who spends a lot of time traveling around the world comes to realize that while there are many aspects of other cultures that are bad, there are also a number of areas where other cultures are better than ours. In my travels I’ve been struck by some areas where our U.S. culture is really bad compared to others. To wit:

  • In most cultures, families care for their elderly relatives. We largely abandon our elderly.
  • In most cultures, being uneducated in math or science is considered embarrassing. Here it is often a badge of honor.
  • Most cultures know a LOT about what is going on in other countries. Here, we mostly have very little idea what is going on outside of the U.S.
  • Most cultures have far less obesity than we do.
  • Most cultures revere educators. Here, educators are routinely derided.
  • Most cultures eat more vegetables and less sugar than we do.
  • Most cultures drive far less than we do.
  • In most cultures, everyone knows their neighbors.
  • Most cultures revolve around small, local businesses. Here, Wal-Mart rules.
  • Most cultures value money less than ours.
  • Most cultures value art MUCH more highly than ours.
  • Most cultures have less violent crime, and far fewer shootings than ours.

My point is, we may be “great”, but we’re not even close to perfect. We can learn a LOT from other cultures, and would benefit from adopting many aspects of other cultures. Which leads me to my final example - most cultures (with a couple of notable exceptions) aren’t as gol-darn stubbornly insistent that they are better than everyone else!!!

Great post, Puggo. People like to focus on the aspects of other cultures that they feel are inferior to theirs, and sure there are always going to be some things like that. But then, like you said, even cultures we might think are backwards, will be superior to ours in some ways.

Yeah, but I don’t think that having better art or better food makes up for stuff like honor killing, female genital mutilation, and marriage to youth. I doubt you do either.

No, I don’t agree with those things. And I don’t think they necessarily have better art or food, although they could. But do they remote pilot drones across the globe and drop bombs on wedding parties? Do they pedal porn and violence towards youths? Maybe they have a better education system, seeing as how American students are ranked near the bottom of the developed world at reading comprehension and math scores. Maybe they have lower divorce rates and therefore children aren’t being raised by over-worked, single parents.

They may have less inequality and better health care. And on and on it goes.

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Well, the Maddow show was pretty lame any way you slice it.

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Alderaan said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Alderaan said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Anyone who spends a lot of time traveling around the world comes to realize that while there are many aspects of other cultures that are bad, there are also a number of areas where other cultures are better than ours. In my travels I’ve been struck by some areas where our U.S. culture is really bad compared to others. To wit:

  • In most cultures, families care for their elderly relatives. We largely abandon our elderly.
  • In most cultures, being uneducated in math or science is considered embarrassing. Here it is often a badge of honor.
  • Most cultures know a LOT about what is going on in other countries. Here, we mostly have very little idea what is going on outside of the U.S.
  • Most cultures have far less obesity than we do.
  • Most cultures revere educators. Here, educators are routinely derided.
  • Most cultures eat more vegetables and less sugar than we do.
  • Most cultures drive far less than we do.
  • In most cultures, everyone knows their neighbors.
  • Most cultures revolve around small, local businesses. Here, Wal-Mart rules.
  • Most cultures value money less than ours.
  • Most cultures value art MUCH more highly than ours.
  • Most cultures have less violent crime, and far fewer shootings than ours.

My point is, we may be “great”, but we’re not even close to perfect. We can learn a LOT from other cultures, and would benefit from adopting many aspects of other cultures. Which leads me to my final example - most cultures (with a couple of notable exceptions) aren’t as gol-darn stubbornly insistent that they are better than everyone else!!!

Great post, Puggo. People like to focus on the aspects of other cultures that they feel are inferior to theirs, and sure there are always going to be some things like that. But then, like you said, even cultures we might think are backwards, will be superior to ours in some ways.

Yeah, but I don’t think that having better art or better food makes up for stuff like honor killing, female genital mutilation, and marriage to youth. I doubt you do either.

No, I don’t agree with those things. And I don’t think they necessarily have better art or food, although they could. But do they remote pilot drones across the globe and drop bombs on wedding parties?

Now this is an example of not separating between cultures and governments. It’d be like saying that having an asshole for a dictator is part of North Korean culture (although the cult-like devotion to him is part of the culture).

Do they pedal porn and violence towards youths?

What pornographic companies advertise to youth? As for violence, if you’re talking about violence in media, I don’t care about that at all; there’s no evidence that it is harmful at all.

Maybe they have a better education system, seeing as how American students are ranked near the bottom of the developed world at reading comprehension and math scores.

I doubt that most of the cultures I’ve alluded to have better education systems. Maybe they value education more than in the US, which is certainly good, but I’m still in favor of a lesser education system than widespread acceptance of religious extremism or female genital mutilation. I suspect that you probably are too.

Maybe they have lower divorce rates and therefore children aren’t being raised by over-worked, single parents.

Maybe.

They may have less inequality and better health care. And on and on it goes.

Most non-Western countries don’t. I wouldn’t say that’s cultural anyway though. Ultimately this was just a list of things that other nondescript cultures might be better at, which isn’t even contrary to what I’ve been saying. So far no one has really contradicted what I’ve been saying.

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The timing on this leak is pretty good though. I almost forgot about the wiretapping accusations for ten whole minutes! 😉

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

The timing on this leak is pretty good though. I almost forgot about the wiretapping accusations for ten whole minutes! 😉

Which some people are saying (on social media FWIW) is proof that Trump leaked it himself.

In fact, the guy on the Maddow show who got the tax return pages suggested that as well.

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Alderaan said:

That loser Fitzgerald has a history of making provocative statements. He had some controversy before for saying that Christians aren’t allowed to be Democrats. The guy is a nutter.

Christians aren’t allowed to be Democrats? I am pretty sure I have never read that in the Bible.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/state-senator-compared-planned-parenthood-to-a-nazi-concentration-camp_us_58c83610e4b09cd957673c97?

This month, someone made a donation to Planned Parenthood in Republican State Senator Steve Fitzgerald’s name ― and the Kansas lawmaker was not happy about it.

On March 10, Planned Parenthood’s Great Plains clinic tweeted out a photo of a letter Sen. Fitzgerald wrote to the women’s health organization. “It is with great dismay that I received your letter that a donation was made in my ‘honor’ to your heinous organization,” Sen. Fitzgerald wrote.

The state senator went on to liken Planned Parenthood ― an international nonprofit organization that provides healthcare to millions of women and men ― to a Nazi concentration camp.

“This is as bad ― or worse ― as having one’s name associated with Dachau,” Sen. Fitzgerald wrote, referring to the first Nazi concentration camp created in 1933. “Shame on your organization and shame on anyone that would attempt to blacken my name in this manner.”

When asked if Sen. Fitzgerald was implying that Planned Parenthood is actually worse than the Nazis, the state senator replied: “Oh, yeah,” adding that the Nazis “ought to be incensed by the comparison.”

FFS.

Let me get this straight, he said that Planned Parenthood was actually worse than the Nazis?

I would think this might offend Jewish people, especially those that lost loved ones during the Holocaust and those still alive that survived it.

I would hope any rational person would be offended, but I know better than that.

true.

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SilverWook said:

Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

Trumpy isn’t a private citizen anymore.

I thought he was entitled to privacy for his records from previous years, and only his years in office would have to be disclosed to the public.

But apparently, that’s false…although not in the way you would expect.

Individual income tax returns–including those of public figures–are private information, according to the IRS.

Trumpy is the one who said he would release them when the IRS audit is over, then quietly backtracked to never releasing them, period.

Has the audit ended?

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Who really knows? And the IRS has said there’s nothing preventing him from releasing them before it’s done anyway.

Where were you in '77?