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Post #105578

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Darth Chaltab
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Born out of Boredom: Starkiller's thoughts on...
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Date created
13-May-2005, 10:41 PM
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1- In the eventuality of you getting mugged (btw, how often does that happen in the town where you live???), are you really going to grab you gun and shoot the guy? If you make a sudden move to grab you gun, he could get scared and shoot you first. If you really want to counter-atack, why don't you learn the KRAV MAGA, which is a Israeli self defence fighting system developed for these situations (you'll be able to disarm the man and break his arm without killing him).


First of all, I didn't say gun. Second, I am a brown belt in Ishinryu. Not very strong physically, but I know how to fight at least. But I'm safer still with a weapon. Murder and mugging doesn't happen very often around here, but there was recently a very violent murder involving drugs and teenagers (a highschool kid stabbed his sister more than 100 times) that has the whole town shocked and appalled.

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2- Let's asume you leave your gun on your car, and it get stolen. That's another gun that'll be used to kill and rob and stuff.


That's the point of concealing it. One of those concealed weapon permits sounds nice. I hope Tennessee gets them. And of course, if it were to get stolen, it would more likely be sold at a pawn shop or something than used to murder. Of course if it was, I'd regret it, but the event is unlikely.

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3- Imagine you have your gun in your home and your kids find it. Then, they decide to imitate the russian roullete scene from "The Deer Hunter".


I wouldn't even have the Deer Hunter. Besides, Ric. Most kids are smart enough to know that getting shot will kill you. Quit assuming kids are morons. Only teenagers are morons.

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4- If we DISARM everyone, we'll be able to achieve peace, not by grabbing more guns! Violence creates more violence, as Ghandi said: "An eye for an eye will make everyone blind". Ghandi defeated the brutal and fully armed British Empire without firing a single shot. What we need is to CLOSE DOWN the weapons factories and ARREST those who manufacture weapons. Them, we need to disarm everyone, the people AND the criminals. If you arrest a criminal, you're obviously going to take his gun away. You'll probably say "oh, if you forbid selling weapons he'll buy a weapon on black market", ok, so we need to fight the gun industry everywhere the same way we fight the drug cartels. The price of a weapon would increase drastically, it would be highly unavaliable... The violence generated by these weapons would drop, therefore dropping the NEED for more weapons, and so on...


Oh yeah. Again, disarming "Everyone" is impossible because the only people who would accept it are the ones who obey the law. And that completely ignores the fact that guns aren't the problem: murder is the problem. Guns are just a method. By the logic you're using, we should also ban worktools, knives, rocks, sticks, poison, creditcards, swords, ropes, boxcutters, remove one hand from everyone at birth so the can't crush a trechea.... Anything can be used as a weapon, Ric. Don't be so niave.

You ever heard the addage down south "Guns don't kill people. People kill people..." ??? Infact, I made a political cartoon about that very absurdity.

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5- Consider this: About an year ago, weapons were officially banned over here. Only police officers, the army, and people who can REALLY justify that they need a weapon can carry one of those. People who already owned weapons were asked to give them away at police stations, and they were paid back. The guns were destroyed. Gun related violence cases dropped after a few months.


See. They "dropped" they didn't go away. I'm not advocating giving everyone a gun; but banning guns only affects those who already abide by the law. Perhaps Brazilians are just less screwed up than Americans or something. But did you consider this; did the acutal murder rate go down, or just the gun-related murder rate? You don't have to have a gun to kill someone.

Edit: I have created a jpg of the cartoon I spoke of earlier.