Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 156

I mean, it’s okay if you have a preference to a certain culture. It’s okay even if you say there are problematic elements to some cultures that aren’t in others. But when you start throwing words around like “superior” and suggesting that one culture should take over and the others should die out (which is what King was essentially suggesting), that’s where you got a real no no.

Saying one culture is definitively better than another is having a pretty cavalier attitude to the concept of culture in general. The importance of culture to peoples cannot be understated. When you say one culture is better than another, you are, in essence, saying one type of people is better than another type of people. You can’t separate the people from the culture. It doesn’t work like that. This is the root of prejudice and bigotry, no question. Suggesting any type of superiority of one culture over another is not going to get us anywhere good. Better to suggest nurturing of the good qualities of a culture or integrating it with another rather than a reckless, generalized dismissal. That’s what breeds hate.

Warbler said:

I made the above post before this this one:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Western culture and parts of East Asian culture is better than all others that I can think of.

Excuse me? Did I just hear you say that the African culture is inferior to Western Culture? Also, what exactly do you mean by East Asian? Because if that doesn’t include China, you just said something about the culture my niece came from that is really going to set me off.

You didn’t hear anything, you read things. There are a lot of very troublesome aspects of “African culture”. I put “African culture” in quotes because Africa is not a homogenous place; it’s made up of a variety of people and cultures, but female genital mutilation, honor killing, superstition, and religious violence are very prominent throughout the continent. I said parts of East Asia because I think that Japan and South Korea are very stable and lovely countries that I suspect I’d enjoy living in as much as the United States. Funnily enough, I actually said “parts of East Asia” in order to exclude China because a prominent element of the culture there, especially after the Communist revolution wiped out much of their earlier culture, is to put industry and work ahead of health and safety. Obviously this is primarily a government thing, but it extends to a lot of families too. Look, for example, at the children that are given to olympic training camps based on genetics that are overworked in order to win gold medals for China, and then discarded if they’re injured, if they fail, or even just once they get too old. You apparently think that by culture I’m referring to people, and if that’s the case then you have no idea what I’m talking about. People are people wherever you go. I also don’t think that any cultures are perfect and there are positives to almost every culture (except for maybe any cultural aspects specific to North Korea), but I think that it’s ridiculous to say that they’re all equally good, or to say that I have to respect something that I think is terrible because it’s a part of someone’s culture.

EDIT: Just so I’m clear, I don’t agree with what that asshole in the article is talking about. He’s clearly referring to interracial marriage and cloaking his bullshit with an argument based on cultures when he’s obviously talking about race.

Maybe I misunderstood. But it can be hard to separate people from culture.

I don’t think that it is. A Mexican can be born in Chico, California and never have anything to do with Mexican culture. A Mexican can also be born in Mexico and reject parts of their own culture that they dislike.

Just imagine how Al Sharpton would react to anyone saying that white culture was better than African American culture.

White culture can be anything from Seattle hipsters to Tennessee rednecks, same with black culture. And MFM isn’t saying that some cultures are wholly better than others or that they’re superior, just that there are aspects in some that are better than others. If someone were to say “white culture is superior to black culture in every way,” I’d probably say that they’re a thinly veiled racist, but if someone were to say “there are some aspects of black culture that are bad,” I might be inclined to agree with them.

moviefreakedmind said:

My point was that I can’t think of any cultures other than Western and East Asian ones that I’d (or anyone I know) would prefer to live in.

Cultures or countries? There is a difference. Is it the culture that is oppressive or is it the government?

As for having a cavalier attitude toward culture, I guess I might. I honestly really enjoy examining and learning about different cultures, and I enjoy certain aspects about all of them. I just don’t like to shrug off troublesome things purely because they’re part of a culture that someone cares a lot about. The subordinate position of women in Islam is an aspect of Islamic culture that a lot of people in the Muslim world, men and women, find very important. Should we refrain from criticizing or condemning that because it’s important to them?

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Western culture and parts of East Asian culture is better than all others that I can think of.

Excuse me? Did I just hear you say that the African culture is inferior to Western Culture? Also, what exactly do you mean by East Asian? Because if that doesn’t include China, you just said something about the culture my niece came from that is really going to set me off.

By the way, I forgot to mention this earlier, but you’ve brought your niece into political discussions multiple times and then proceeded to get angry about it. No one on this forum has ever brought up your niece. They never have and never will, so please stop.

When Chinese culture is brought up, by default it includes my niece. When it is brought up that those not born citizens can’t be President, it involves my niece. Don’t like it? Too bad.

You said Western culture and parts of East Asian culture are better than all others. Well naturally, the begs the question exactly what is and is not “parts of East Asian culture”. The naturally follows for me to wonder whether or not this includes China. If not, then you must be saying that Western Culture and parts of East Asian culture are better than the culture my niece came from. Naturally, saying such a thing would upset me. Don’t like it? Too bad.

You are the one who struggles to separate people from culture. Being Chinese doesn’t mean you came from any culture. Didn’t you say she was adopted?

Yes, from China.

Is she even old enough to more than tacitly subscribe to any culture?

She was 2 1/2 when she came here, she is now 10.

Honestly I think sometimes you are so eager to be offended you just jump at the chance to be up in arms about something without taking the time to consider the actual meaning of what is said.

moviefreakedmind said:

EDIT: You also ignored the second, and most important, half of my post.

I didn’t ignore it, I just didn’t respond to it.

Like I said before, I guess I misunderstood. I apologize.

Possessed said:

Honestly I think sometimes you are so eager to be offended you just jump at the chance to be up in arms about something without taking the time to consider the actual meaning of what is said.

not true.

maybe.

I admit I jumped the gun.

But I am not eager to be offended.

Fair.

In this thread we learned that people don’t like cultures different from their own. Great.

That includes the people who claim to like a few cultures which have most assimilated their own.

Our country is now safe from these bad hombres.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-travel-ban-girl-guides-canada-cancels-all-trip-u-n733161

President Donald Trump has said he wants to keep “bad hombres” out of the U.S. — but his travel restrictions are now keeping a somewhat less scary-sounding group out of the country: the Girl Guides of Canada.

The organization, which is Canada’s equivalent of the Girl Scouts, announced Monday that they are canceling all trips to the United States until further notice. The group cited uncertainty about the ability of all of its members to enter the country.

In a statement posted online, the Girl Guides of Canada said the decision was “very difficult to make,” adding that the organization hoped members understood that it “reflects our commitment to inclusivity and equal opportunities for all girls and women.”

The group’s ban on travel to the U.S. includes any flights that have a connection through an American airport. The group also announced that a trip to a camp in California planned for this summer would now be held elsewhere.

“Girl Guides is a very inclusive and diverse organization,” spokeswoman Sarah Kiriliuk told the CBC. “It is part of our mandate and it is very important to the fabric of our organization to be inclusive and diverse. And we wanted to make sure we could extend that to all aspects of our organization — which includes girls that are traveling.”

She added: “In this case, girls that were traveling across the border would not have that opportunity, it would not have been an inclusive and diverse opportunity for them.”

^ HAH

Whaaaaaaaaaaaa?

http://lawnewz.com/video/foxs-judge-napolitano-obama-admin-used-british-intel-service-to-spy-on-trump-during-campaign/

Fox News judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano appeared on “Fox and Friends” on Tuesday morning where he made a rather startling accusation about claims that President Obama ordered electronic intercepts of conversations Donald Trump and members of his campaign had with foreign leaders during the campaign and transition. Essentially, the former judge alleged that sources had confirmed to him that the Obama administration essentially farmed out the Trump surveillance task to Britain to ensure American fingerprints would never show up on the project.

According to Napolitano,”Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command” to conduct the surveillance on Trump. He further explained that Obama “didn’t use the NSA, he didn’t use the CIA, he didn’t use the FBI, and he didn’t use the Department of Justice.” Instead, Judge Napolitano, said Obama went to the British intelligence services version of the NSA to do the work, GCHQ.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

most cultures (with a couple of notable exceptions) aren’t as gol-darn stubbornly insistent that they are better than everyone else!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwLWNXFH2rg

darthrush said:

Possessed said:

Honestly I think sometimes you are so eager to be offended you just jump at the chance to be up in arms about something without taking the time to consider the actual meaning of what is said.

+1. Moviefreakmind has made some good points which is that it should be okay to criticize certain parts of a culture. The treatment of women in Islam is an example of this. Cultures are fantastic and interesting to learn about and being willing to learn new things from these cultures is what I find is most important.

Yes, but sometimes I think he blamed problems on culture where is should be blamed on the Government.