Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 41

DominicCobb said:

Your “input” is, as always, completely unwelcome.

Like I give a shit what you think, you haven’t got a clue!

DominicCobb said:

Your “input” is, as always, completely unwelcome.

IP55 said:

TV’s Frink said:

So why even waste time in this thread?

To annoy you, of course.

I’m pretty sure that’s not relevant to the thread, and furthermore just makes you look childish.

IP55 said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Development (change of character) does not make characters good or well written. TFA characters may get more development throughout the film but they are boring or unoriginal and the development is bad or unoriginal. While in R1 the characters may not change much (do no get much development) but at least they are complex and interesting.

Elaborate please. Beyond Cassian how are the characters complex? You say these things but you never really go into detail.

Lord Haseo said:

I think you should stop finding lame false explanations about R1 and TFA in order to feel better. You should face the fact that R1 is simply good and TFA is crap. Those of us who like R1 and dislike TFA simply accept this truth.

I like Rogue One but it’s definitely more entertaining than well written. I personally can’t say the same for TFA.

TFA is neither well written nor entertaining.

Your opinion.

EDIT:

Tobar said:

Mocata said:

TFA still has the stupid map and the stupider R2D2 activation moment, but it averages out so that both become simply mediocre.

Don’t forget seeing the destruction of a planet from an entirely different star system.

TFA was far worse with its offenses.

I think we can all agree Starkiller Base is the worst thing to come out of these films.

The worst thing to come out of these films, is these films. They are both defeating their own objective in trying to please ‘fans’ they are in fact doing the opposite.

This only applies to the shoehorned in fanservice moments only. The films in general are stories we should have seen so in no way do I feel serviced for having these films. I feel that they’re necessary components to the larger Star Wars story.

If we are going to have new films then let’s see something new that keeps the codes and conventions of star wars. Not some half arsed rehash with some old characters thrown in for good measure or some rushed edit, half finished film.

What exactly are the “codes and conventions” of Star Wars because TFA and R1 stick to the script almost to fault…

If Rey is in fact ‘The last Jedi’ which I fear will be her fate…then this truly is a massive regurgitation of the OT.

Admittedly it would be a rehash at face value though they can at least mask it a little by having Luke die in a different way than Yoda. They can also have the impact of Luke’s death
be different from Yoda’s in terms of how it impacts the surviving characters and the Galaxy at large. Essentially they can just make Luke perishing a generic plot point like Yoda dying in ROTJ. No one would ever say Yoda dying is a rehash of Ben dying in SW…right?

Kylo ren is no vader! I hope they kill him off quick

No, but he could become worse than Vader or Bane.

SilverWook said:

IP55 said:

DominicCobb said:

Your “input” is, as always, completely unwelcome.

Like I give a shit what you think, you haven’t got a clue!

Thin ice. You’re on it.

Don’t I get three strikes? I’ve only had one warning. So why the thin ice comment. So essentially it’s okay to bait someone but you’re not allowed to retort? Strange forum.

imperialscum said:

TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. Even if I put the rehash aside, the characters made in TFA are quite boring and unlike-able. There is simply nothing for me to look forward to in new trilogy.

So essentially regardless of merit you’re going to trash the rest of the ST because you didn’t like TFA? Sounds fairly reasonable in 2017.

I’m also pondering if it’s okay for people to shit on the OT because of ROTJ…I am extremely incredulous that you would be okay with that. Given your hypocrisy and all.

imperialscum said:

TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. Even if I put the rehash aside, the characters made in TFA are quite boring and unlike-able. There is simply nothing for me to look forward to in new trilogy.

Luckily they are making these spin-offs quite regularly so there is still something left.

I think the characters themselves will ensure the next installation will indeed be a huge disappointment. I can’t see it being anything else. A weak villain, a seemingly obvious plot, a boring heroine and no doubt more easter eggs and dodgy cgi monsters. With an R2D2 ball to finish off.

imperialscum said:

I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII.

Thank the maker.

JEDIT: Although I’m quite sure you’ll still bitch about it.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. Even if I put the rehash aside, the characters made in TFA are quite boring and unlike-able. There is simply nothing for me to look forward to in new trilogy.

So essentially regardless of merit you’re going to trash the rest of the ST because you didn’t like TFA? Sounds fairly reasonable in 2017.

I did not particularly like any of the characters in TFA. I do not think they will all just disappear in the sequel.

That’s fine but these characters will be developed further and they will hopefully change throughout the trilogy. For all we know Finn could become a fully mature man by the end of the ST and if he and others go through well defined character arcs you can’t judge these characters for who they were. Well you can but I’m going to bring up how much Luke changed in the OT.

IP55 said:

imperialscum said:

TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. Even if I put the rehash aside, the characters made in TFA are quite boring and unlike-able. There is simply nothing for me to look forward to in new trilogy.

Luckily they are making these spin-offs quite regularly so there is still something left.

I think the characters themselves will ensure the next installation will indeed be a huge disappointment. I can’t see it being anything else. A weak villain, a seemingly obvious plot, a boring heroine and no doubt more easter eggs and dodgy cgi monsters. With an R2D2 ball to finish off.

Oh so Kylo doesn’t complete his training? That’s a bummer. What else can you tell me about VIII and IX since you’re clearly privy to information the rest of us aren’t?

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

I’m also pondering if it’s okay for people to shit on the OT because of ROTJ…I am extremely incredulous that you would be okay with that. Given your hypocrisy and all.

ROTJ was great while TFA was utter crap. That is a big difference.

ROTJ was good but it was NOTHING in comparison to SW and ESB. TFA is really good imo but it could be garbage in comparison to VIII and IX. So regardless of how you were to phrase it there is still a huge gap in quality depending on your position. For the people who dislike ROTJ could they judge the entirety of the trilogy based on 1 installment?

Sorry but you can’t even compare tfa to anything in the OT. It belongs in the bargain box in poundland with the shitty PT. Plus when the first installment is shit you can’t hold out for the rest…take a look at the PT. They promised the world, this one’s darker etc. Every one of those films was a joke. I’m hoping the solo film surprises me as much as R1 did. As much as I hate certain elements in R1 it at least touched on the original premise.

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

TFA not only ruined the first instalment of the new trilogy by being shitty rehash, but it also made sure the second instalment will be a rehash at least to some degree. I do not think I will even go see Episode VIII. >

Does that mean you’ll stay out of this thread? 😉

If only we could be so lucky.

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

I’m also pondering if it’s okay for people to shit on the OT because of ROTJ…I am extremely incredulous that you would be okay with that. Given your hypocrisy and all.

ROTJ was great while TFA was utter crap. That is a big difference.

ROTJ was good but it was NOTHING in comparison to SW and ESB. TFA is really good imo but it could be garbage in comparison to VIII and IX. So regardless of how you were to phrase it there is still a huge gap in quality depending on your position. For the people who dislike ROTJ could they judge the entirety of the trilogy based on 1 installment?

Yes because even if they judged OT based on ROTJ it would be great. If they judge new trilogy based on TFA, it would be crap.

The people in this scenario would have a generally unfavorable opinion of the OT because of ROTJ so your position is of no consequence. Having said that would they be right to hold that negative opinion?

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

I’m also pondering if it’s okay for people to shit on the OT because of ROTJ…I am extremely incredulous that you would be okay with that. Given your hypocrisy and all.

ROTJ was great while TFA was utter crap. That is a big difference.

TFA was “utter crap” because rehash. Okay.

Good thing nothing was rehashed in ROTJ! That film is perfect!