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Like I said earlier (and every time this subject comes up), in-person voter fraud in the US is extraordinarily rare. Voter ID is nothing more than a Republican attempt to reduce Democrat votes.
It may be rarely, but I don’t think it is a bad idea to make sure only person A and use person A’s vote. I’d have no problem if it weren’t too difficult and costly for the poor, minorities, and the elderly.
I’m curious where poor people are supposed to get hundreds of dollars…but I suppose that’s just anecdotal.
Maybe it should be easier to get a photo ID, but I still think that isn’t unreasonable to vote. Where does it cost hundreds of dollars to get a drivers’ license?
The Person in Question
I’m curious where poor people are supposed to get hundreds of dollars…but I suppose that’s just anecdotal.
Maybe it should be easier to get a photo ID, but I still think that isn’t unreasonable to vote. Where does it cost hundreds of dollars to get a drivers’ license?
The Person in Question
I guess you aren’t reading the stories I’ve been posting.
I guess you aren’t reading the stories I’ve been posting.
Not all of them, but I’m pretty sure I know what’s in them. I guess it could cost more if somebody had no birth certificate, no social security card or number, no insurance or mail verification of form, or any other type of thing you can show the DMV people to get a license. Those are all things that people should have though so maybe they should get on that. I’m not even worried about voter fraud in person, I think it’s almost negligible, I just don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone to have to show an ID to vote.
The Person in Question
Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station). If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
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I guess you aren’t reading the stories I’ve been posting.
Not all of them, but I’m pretty sure I know what’s in them.
Lol.
Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station). If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
That’s why oyou’d claim to be somebody else at the other place.
Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).
What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?
If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.
Those are all things that people should have though so maybe they should get on that.
well sure . . . unless you’re poor and they cost hundreds of dollars like Frink was saying.
I’m not even worried about voter fraud in person, I think it’s almost negligible, I just don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone to have to show an ID to vote.
If you are not worried about voter fraud in person, why do you want to require that people have ID to vote.
You seem to be arguing for both sides warb I’m a bit confused. Personally I think you should need an ID, however I think getting an ID should be easier and cheaper, if not free. Having to pay the government just for them to confirm you are who you are? Cmoooon
You seem to be arguing for both sides warb I’m a bit confused.
I guess you haven’t been reading my posts. I’d for requiring an ID to vote, if it were easy enough and cheap enough to obtain one and easy enough and cheap enough to obtain all the things needed to obtain an ID. Right now, this is not the case. It is too hard for the poor, minorities and the elderly to obtain these things. Therefore, right now I am against requiring an ID to vote. But, once it is made easier and cheaper, I will be all for the idea.
Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).
What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?
If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.
Like I said, it ain’t gonna happen because of the near certainty of being caught. If enough people committed fraud to swing an election, they’d know and re-run it, if there weren’t enough to effect the election it doesn’t matter anyway. Either way it’s not a problem. Election fraud really isn’t a big deal under a reasonably rational system with public oversight. The people in office lobbying for voter-ID want it for another reason.
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Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).
What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?
If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.
Like I said, it ain’t gonna happen because of the near certainty of being caught.
How would you get caught?
If enough people committed fraud to swing an election, they’d know and re-run it, if there weren’t enough to effect the election it doesn’t matter anyway. Either way it’s not a problem. Election fraud really isn’t a big deal under a reasonably rational system with public oversight. The people in office lobbying for voter-ID want it for another reason.
Well, their reasoning is not mine.
Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).
What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?
If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.
Like I said, it ain’t gonna happen because of the near certainty of being caught.
How would you get caught?
The act, not the person in the way I already described.
My general point is, it comes down to a choice between…
Number 2 gets my vote (wink) every time.
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Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).
What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?
If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.
Like I said, it ain’t gonna happen because of the near certainty of being caught.
How would you get caught?
The act, not the person in the way I already described.
My general point is, it comes down to a choice between…
- ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and massive suppression of turnout (skewed heavily towards certain demographics)
- No ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and minimum restriction of turnout (with no specific demographic effected)
Number 2 gets my vote (wink) every time.
I’d continue this conversation, but I get the idea that you aren’t reading my posts. So, I see no point in that.
You seem to be arguing for both sides warb I’m a bit confused.
I guess you haven’t been reading my posts.
Probably not, but I’m not gonna let that stop me from replying to individual things you’ve said out of context.
I get the idea that you are reading my posts
That is correct.
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Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).
What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?
If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.
Like I said, it ain’t gonna happen because of the near certainty of being caught.
How would you get caught?
The act, not the person in the way I already described.
My general point is, it comes down to a choice between…
- ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and massive suppression of turnout (skewed heavily towards certain demographics)
- No ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and minimum restriction of turnout (with no specific demographic effected)
Number 2 gets my vote (wink) every time.
I’d continue this conversation, but I get the idea that you are reading my posts. So, I see no point in that.
Of course he’s reading your posts. You don’t want him to?
You seem to be arguing for both sides warb I’m a bit confused.
I guess you haven’t been reading my posts.
Probably not, but I’m not gonna let that stop me from replying to individual things you’ve said out of context.
What things have I said out of context?
I get the idea that you are reading my posts
That is correct.
I made a typo in the post you are quoting, it has now been fixed. Please re-read the post.
Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).
What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?
If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.
Like I said, it ain’t gonna happen because of the near certainty of being caught.
How would you get caught?
The act, not the person in the way I already described.
My general point is, it comes down to a choice between…
- ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and massive suppression of turnout (skewed heavily towards certain demographics)
- No ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and minimum restriction of turnout (with no specific demographic effected)
Number 2 gets my vote (wink) every time.
I’d continue this conversation, but I get the idea that you are reading my posts. So, I see no point in that.
Of course he’s reading your posts. You don’t want him to?
I made a typo in the post you are quoting, it has now been fixed. Please re-read the post.
Why do you need voter ID?
If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.
Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place?
Nothing… but then when I went to vote soon after, the polling station would know somebody had voted fraudulently instantaneously (because my name would already be crossed off the list they had at the polling station).
What if you decided not to vote for whatever reason, If that happened, some could vote under your name and they’d never get caught. Also if you are required to have ID, how are they going to tell the fake you from the real you?
If it happened more than once they could conceivably re-run the election but nobody bothers because the fraud would be so obvious to everybody. Nobody would be able to swing an election by pretending to be other people.
What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice?
I wouldn’t be on the list at another polling station, so it wouldn’t be possible to vote twice.
I guess you missed the part where I said “claim to be someone else”.
Like I said, it ain’t gonna happen because of the near certainty of being caught.
How would you get caught?
The act, not the person in the way I already described.
My general point is, it comes down to a choice between…
- ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and massive suppression of turnout (skewed heavily towards certain demographics)
- No ID-card required = Near 100% vote security and minimum restriction of turnout (with no specific demographic effected)
Number 2 gets my vote (wink) every time.
I’d continue this conversation, but I get the idea that you are reading my posts. So, I see no point in that.
Of course he’s reading your posts. You don’t want him to?
I made a typo in the post you are quoting, it has now been fixed. Please re-read the post.
Nah.
I get the idea that you are reading my posts
That is correct.
I made a typo in the post you are quoting, it has now been fixed. Please re-read the post.
Yes I know because I read it.
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You seem to be arguing for both sides warb I’m a bit confused.
I guess you haven’t been reading my posts.
Probably not, but I’m not gonna let that stop me from replying to individual things you’ve said out of context.
What things have I said out of context?
*sigh*