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I Never thought I’d post in your guys’ ‘hairy’ politics thread, but this:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-may-cut-great-lakes-protection-budget-by-97-per-cent-1.3310112

reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2M_Z0f6ecE

…‘hairy’… like in vietnam. I’m not much of a politics sophisto and don’t usually have anything constructive to add so it may be eternity before I post in here again. Have fun, and be excellent to each other.

OT-DAWT-COM nieghbour and sometime poster (Remember, Tuesday is Soylent Green day!)

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Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Some Star Wars related political stories;

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/1/stormtrooper-costumes-banned-from-star-wars-themed/

Now THIS is political correctness gone too far.

Judging from this quote, I think it’s less “political correctness”…

“We have been informed of the origin of this word (Stormtrooper) and its connections to early- to mid-20th century Germany. This is something neither we nor anyone on your Reunion Committee were aware of”

…and more some people just being idiots, lacking even the most basic knowledge of world history.

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TV’s Frink said:

So…these people are lying, or lazy, or both?

I think it’s anecdotal. I don’t doubt that it’s difficult depending on the situation, but I also find it hard to believe that anyone would be unable to get an ID before the next presidential election in 4 years.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Some Star Wars related political stories;

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/1/stormtrooper-costumes-banned-from-star-wars-themed/

Now THIS is political correctness gone too far.

Judging from this quote, I think it’s less “political correctness”…

“We have been informed of the origin of this word (Stormtrooper) and its connections to early- to mid-20th century Germany. This is something neither we nor anyone on your Reunion Committee were aware of”

…and more some people just being idiots, lacking even the most basic knowledge of world history.

Political correctness and ignorance of history usually go hand-in-hand, but how is it not “political correctness”? It’s concern over a term and the banning of behavior in order to preserve people’s feelings. Just because you recognize it to be completely idiotic and insultingly stupid doesn’t mean that it’s not political correctness. This is the No True Scotsman fallacy applied to political correctness.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Some Star Wars related political stories;

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/1/stormtrooper-costumes-banned-from-star-wars-themed/

Now THIS is political correctness gone too far.

Judging from this quote, I think it’s less “political correctness”…

“We have been informed of the origin of this word (Stormtrooper) and its connections to early- to mid-20th century Germany. This is something neither we nor anyone on your Reunion Committee were aware of”

…and more some people just being idiots, lacking even the most basic knowledge of world history.

how is it not “political correctness”?

I didn’t say it wasn’t political correctness. I said the people were morons to begin with. The stupidity was much more of a motivating factor in this incident than PC being a problem. Any concept in the hands of imbeciles isn’t going to work.

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moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

So…these people are lying, or lazy, or both?

I think it’s anecdotal. I don’t doubt that it’s difficult depending on the situation, but I also find it hard to believe that anyone would be unable to get an ID before the next presidential election in 4 years.

I guess you missed my previous post. What about the other elections that take place every November? What about primaries? They don’t really have 4 years to get an ID.

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I’m curious where poor people are supposed to get hundreds of dollars…but I suppose that’s just anecdotal.

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TV’s Frink said:

I’m curious where poor people are supposed to get hundreds of dollars…but I suppose that’s just anecdotal.

It takes some people hundreds of dollars to obtain an ID? I didn’t think it would cost that much.

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Read some of the stuff I posted previously. Sometimes it’s not the ID itself but the things you need to get in order to prove who you are so you can then get that ID.

And regardless, there have been countless studies showing that voter fraud, and especially in-person voter fraud, is many times less likely than people not being able to obtain ID, so we should err on the side of letting as many eligible people vote as possible.

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A follow up on the story I posted earlier about a local High School performing Ragtime and the local NAACP people being upset about the use of the N-word:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/Ragtime-Star-Visits-Cherry-Hill-High-School-.html

I thought the uproar was ridiculous. I mean, did these people oject to the use of the n-word in Roots? Do you know how I came to understand why the n-word is so bad? It is because, as a child, I watched Roots. It taught me all I needed to know about that word.

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TV’s Frink said:

Read some of the stuff I posted previously. Sometimes it’s not the ID itself but the things you need to get in order to prove who you are so you can then get that ID.

And regardless, there have been countless studies showing that voter fraud, and especially in-person voter fraud, is many times less likely than people not being able to obtain ID, so we should err on the side of letting as many eligible people vote as possible.

Maybe what we should do is concentrate on seeing if we can make it easy enough and cheap enough to obtain an ID and obtain the things you need to get in order to prove who you are so you can an ID, and then maybe require ID to vote. I think I like the idea of making sure people are who they say they are before letting them vote, but I don’t like the idea of the poor, minorities, and elderly being disenfranchised.

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Warbler said:

A follow up on the story I posted earlier about a local High School performing Ragtime and the local NAACP people being upset about the use of the N-word:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/Ragtime-Star-Visits-Cherry-Hill-High-School-.html

I thought the uproar was ridiculous. I mean, did these people oject to the use of the n-word in Roots? Do you know how I came to understand why the n-word is so bad? It is because, as a child, I watched Roots. It taught me all I needed to know about that word.

It’s a high school Warb. When was the last time you saw a high school put on a performance of Roots?

People object to a lot of things in high school plays. When I was in high school we did Rent but had to use a somewhat censored version.

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DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

A follow up on the story I posted earlier about a local High School performing Ragtime and the local NAACP people being upset about the use of the N-word:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/Ragtime-Star-Visits-Cherry-Hill-High-School-.html

I thought the uproar was ridiculous. I mean, did these people oject to the use of the n-word in Roots? Do you know how I came to understand why the n-word is so bad? It is because, as a child, I watched Roots. It taught me all I needed to know about that word.

It’s a high school Warb. When was the last time you saw a high school put on a performance of Roots?

Well never, because no one has ever turned it into a play. It was however shown in my history class one year(11th grade, I think).

People object to a lot of things in high school plays. When I was in high school we did Rent but had to use a somewhat censored version.

Yeah, these things do happen in High School I suppose. But I do have to wonder if the same complaints would make if the production was at a local community theater(not owned by the government) instead.

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Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

A follow up on the story I posted earlier about a local High School performing Ragtime and the local NAACP people being upset about the use of the N-word:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/Ragtime-Star-Visits-Cherry-Hill-High-School-.html

I thought the uproar was ridiculous. I mean, did these people oject to the use of the n-word in Roots? Do you know how I came to understand why the n-word is so bad? It is because, as a child, I watched Roots. It taught me all I needed to know about that word.

It’s a high school Warb. When was the last time you saw a high school put on a performance of Roots?

Well never, because no one has ever turned it into a play. It was however shown in my history class one year(11th grade, I think).

You miss the point. Performing it is a lot different than watching it.

People object to a lot of things in high school plays. When I was in high school we did Rent but had to use a somewhat censored version.

Yeah, these things do happen in High School I suppose. But I do have to wonder if the same complaints would make if the production was at a local community theater(not owned by the government) instead.

Well considering there have been local community productions of Ragtime without complaints, I wouldn’t be so sure.

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DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

A follow up on the story I posted earlier about a local High School performing Ragtime and the local NAACP people being upset about the use of the N-word:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/Ragtime-Star-Visits-Cherry-Hill-High-School-.html

I thought the uproar was ridiculous. I mean, did these people oject to the use of the n-word in Roots? Do you know how I came to understand why the n-word is so bad? It is because, as a child, I watched Roots. It taught me all I needed to know about that word.

It’s a high school Warb. When was the last time you saw a high school put on a performance of Roots?

Well never, because no one has ever turned it into a play. It was however shown in my history class one year(11th grade, I think).

You miss the point. Performing it is a lot different than watching it.

So you think it if were made into a play it would be wrong to perform it in Highschools even though Root is designed to teach the horrors of slavery and racism?

People object to a lot of things in high school plays. When I was in high school we did Rent but had to use a somewhat censored version.

Yeah, these things do happen in High School I suppose. But I do have to wonder if the same complaints would make if the production was at a local community theater(not owned by the government) instead.

Well considering there have been local community productions of Ragtime without complaints, I wouldn’t be so sure.

Okay.

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Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

A follow up on the story I posted earlier about a local High School performing Ragtime and the local NAACP people being upset about the use of the N-word:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/Ragtime-Star-Visits-Cherry-Hill-High-School-.html

I thought the uproar was ridiculous. I mean, did these people oject to the use of the n-word in Roots? Do you know how I came to understand why the n-word is so bad? It is because, as a child, I watched Roots. It taught me all I needed to know about that word.

It’s a high school Warb. When was the last time you saw a high school put on a performance of Roots?

Well never, because no one has ever turned it into a play. It was however shown in my history class one year(11th grade, I think).

You miss the point. Performing it is a lot different than watching it.

So you think it if were made into a play it would be wrong to perform it in Highschools even though Root is designed to teach the horrors of slavery and racism?

I didn’t say wrong. I just think it is understandable that students and their parents are uncomfortable with such things.

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Why do you need voter ID?

If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.

Once they hand me the ballot, I put a pencil cross next to the candidate and drop it into the box. They cross my name off. It doesn’t have to be that complicated.

(Getting yourself fraudulently onto the list before hand is another discussion but a voter ID wouldn’t make any difference to that either)

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Like I said earlier (and every time this subject comes up), in-person voter fraud in the US is extraordinarily rare. Voter ID is nothing more than a Republican attempt to reduce Democrat votes.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Why do you need voter ID?

If I go to the polling station in the UK, I could bring along an ID, a passport, a birth-certificate, a drivers-license and 6ft-tall-portrait of myself in oils and I still wouldn’t be able to fraudulently vote because if my name wasn’t on their list, they wouldn’t give me a ballot a paper. They don’t ask for any sort of identification because they have no need to.

Tell me what is to stop someone else from claiming to you and voting in your place? What would stop you from voting with your own vote and going to another polling place and claim to be someone else and vote twice? That is the point of ID. It is to make sure people are who they say they are, so no one can vote using someone else’s vote. It would be fine if it were easy and cheap enough to obtain the required ID and all the things needed to obtain the required ID, unfortunately that isn’t the case right now it seems. If and when it is, I will support requiring an ID to vote.