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Another case of political correctness going too far.
That sickens me. If someone is offended, then they shouldn’t buy the shirt. Them being offended by something innocuous is their problem.
One customer writes letter to boss of company to point out offensive T-shirt. Boss looks into the t-shirt for them. Agrees it’s offensive. Removes t-shirt
(Much later people on the internet get all het up about it being “PC gone mad!!!”)
Strange thing to be sickened by? I’m usually more offended by companies ignoring complaints from their customers.
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DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
It’s a stupid complaint though. There’s nothing racist about it. It’s a specific line from a tv show, and if you’re dumb enough to be offended by it should not buy and move on with their lives. Of course that wouldn’t work for them because then there’s a chance that someone else might purchase the shirt, and we can’t have that.
Do you also think that Walmart was right to pull the oh-so-offensive shirt about a woman president?
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Another case of political correctness going too far.
That sickens me. If someone is offended, then they shouldn’t buy the shirt. Them being offended by something innocuous is their problem.
One customer writes letter to boss of company to point out offensive T-shirt. Boss looks into the t-shirt for them. Agrees it’s offensive. Removes t-shirt
(Much later people on the internet get all het up about it being “PC gone mad!!!”)
Strange thing to be sickened by? I’m usually more offended by companies ignoring complaints from their customers.
Honestly the silliest thing here is the boss removing the shirt out of fear of a backlash when there almost certainly wouldn’t be any (of any significance anyway).
DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
But you’ve never explained how anyone is twisting the concept. The reason PC can and does go too far is because it’s so broad.
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DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
But you’ve never explained how anyone is twisting the concept. The reason PC can and does go too far is because it’s so broad.
I guess I just expect people to act within reason. “Eenie meenie miney mo” is an extremely common phrase that nowadays has essentially no racist component to it. Most people don’t know the history of it and most of those that do surely understand it’s use now. There’s no reasonable reason to think that it’s offense.
People always make things binary and it drives me crazy. There are nuances. Not everything that has a racial history is racist anymore. So we don’t have to police all of that stuff, but we also shouldn’t neglect policing the stuff that is still racist.
I hate that people make things all or nothing (on both sides). Political correctness should have a place in society. Just because some take things to extremes doesn’t mean we should completely reject the concept entirely.
DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
But you’ve never explained how anyone is twisting the concept. The reason PC can and does go too far is because it’s so broad.
I guess I just expect people to act within reason. “Eenie meenie miney mo” is an extremely common phrase that nowadays has essentially no racist component to it. Most people don’t know the history of it and most of those that do surely understand it’s use now. There’s no reasonable reason to think that it’s offense.
In isolation that is 100% true but isn’t the phrase when coupled with a blood-stained baseball bat covered in barbed wire a tiny bit questionable and threatening?
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Is the problem that they removed the t-shirt, or that they removed what you consider a non-racist t-shirt?
If the t-shirt included the n-word, would it be ok to remove it, or would it still be “sickening?”
It’s a little bit of the former, but mostly the latter. I wouldn’t find it sickening if it were offensive, but since it wasn’t I think it’s BS that they pulled their product.
“If it were offensive” is the problem. Reasonable people can disagree on what is offensive, and I’m going to generally side with the person who thinks it’s offensive over the person who doesn’t. The person who is offended is more hurt by the t-shirt than the person who is not offended is hurt by the lack of the t-shirt.
DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
But you’ve never explained how anyone is twisting the concept. The reason PC can and does go too far is because it’s so broad.
I guess I just expect people to act within reason. “Eenie meenie miney mo” is an extremely common phrase that nowadays has essentially no racist component to it. Most people don’t know the history of it and most of those that do surely understand it’s use now. There’s no reasonable reason to think that it’s offense.
I had no idea of the history, but now that I know, I’m not going to tell a black person they shouldn’t be offended.
I think you guys are forgetting that this is a business decision. Companies tweak their product offerings all the time for all sorts of tiny, subtle reasons. What is so bad about a company considering whether or not a few people might be offended among the various factors in their decision-making? Or maybe they’d simply rather not offend anyone. Why would that make anyone mad? It’s not like people are being barred from wearing such a shirt, and nobody threatened the chain or told them that they couldn’t carry it. Geez people find the strangest things to get angry about.
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President Donald Trump claimed Thursday that he cannot find a country with which the United States has a trade surplus.
The U.S., in fact, has a merchandise trade surplus with more than half of the countries in the world, according to the International Trade Commission. A trade surplus means America exports more goods to a country than it imports from it.
“The deals we have with other countries are unbelievably bad. We don’t have any good deals,” Trump told a group of business executives at the White House. “In fact, I’m trying to find a country where we actually have a surplus of trade as opposed to a deficit. Everything’s a deficit.”
DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
But you’ve never explained how anyone is twisting the concept. The reason PC can and does go too far is because it’s so broad.
I guess I just expect people to act within reason. “Eenie meenie miney mo” is an extremely common phrase that nowadays has essentially no racist component to it. Most people don’t know the history of it and most of those that do surely understand it’s use now. There’s no reasonable reason to think that it’s offense.
I had no idea of the history, but now that I know, I’m not going to tell a black person they shouldn’t be offended.
I actually remember it from when I was a kid. It was already offensive then, but one of our neighbors was really racist and taught his kids such phrases deliberately. Those kids were two of my friends, and they’d spout off these phrases without even knowing what they were saying. When I said that was a mean word, they didn’t even know. So glad some such things have changed.
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DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
But you’ve never explained how anyone is twisting the concept. The reason PC can and does go too far is because it’s so broad.
I guess I just expect people to act within reason. “Eenie meenie miney mo” is an extremely common phrase that nowadays has essentially no racist component to it. Most people don’t know the history of it and most of those that do surely understand it’s use now. There’s no reasonable reason to think that it’s offense.
In isolation that is 100% true but isn’t the phrase when coupled with a blood-stained baseball bat covered in barbed wire a tiny bit questionable and threatening?
Hmm I didn’t know. That’s a bit much. I have seen the scene it comes from, so I know it’s not actually racist, but at the same time it’s a pretty disturbing scene. I don’t know why anyone would want this on a T-shirt in the first place.
DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
But you’ve never explained how anyone is twisting the concept. The reason PC can and does go too far is because it’s so broad.
I guess I just expect people to act within reason. “Eenie meenie miney mo” is an extremely common phrase that nowadays has essentially no racist component to it. Most people don’t know the history of it and most of those that do surely understand it’s use now. There’s no reasonable reason to think that it’s offense.
I had no idea of the history, but now that I know, I’m not going to tell a black person they shouldn’t be offended.
Fair enough. I somehow doubt any would be, but of course it’s alway better to defer to the people being potentially offended.
If it were just the phrase, I think it might be a bit much to be offended (I mean seriously, people use the phrase all of the time?). But with the bloody bat, I don’t know, that’s kind of pushing it.
Either way, it’s just a fucking T-shirt. Who cares?
DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
But you’ve never explained how anyone is twisting the concept. The reason PC can and does go too far is because it’s so broad.
I guess I just expect people to act within reason. “Eenie meenie miney mo” is an extremely common phrase that nowadays has essentially no racist component to it. Most people don’t know the history of it and most of those that do surely understand it’s use now. There’s no reasonable reason to think that it’s offense.
I had no idea of the history, but now that I know, I’m not going to tell a black person they shouldn’t be offended.
Except the offended party wasn’t even black.
Methodist Minister Ian Lucraft said:
“It is directly threatening of a racist assault, and if I were black and were faced by a wearer I would know just where I stood.”
DominicCobb said:
You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.”Right, just like how you dismiss everyone acting on what they believe to be politically correct as not being “political correctness”.
Sorry, I’ve just been trying to look at the topic through the prism of a set definition of the term. Other people (on both sides) love to twist the concept. This frustrates me, but I guess I can’t really do anything about it.
But you’ve never explained how anyone is twisting the concept. The reason PC can and does go too far is because it’s so broad.
I guess I just expect people to act within reason. “Eenie meenie miney mo” is an extremely common phrase that nowadays has essentially no racist component to it. Most people don’t know the history of it and most of those that do surely understand it’s use now. There’s no reasonable reason to think that it’s offense.
I had no idea of the history, but now that I know, I’m not going to tell a black person they shouldn’t be offended.
Except the offended party wasn’t even black.
You don’t have to be personally offended to find it offensive. I find it offensive when people use the N word, even though I’m not black.
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Except it didn’t even use the word! What, do we stop saying the rhyme cold turkey because in the 19th century it used a racist term?
And if you aren’t personally offended why act offended? Saying something is offensive to a particular group without being involved or a part of that particular group isn’t really much of a favor to them. In fact, it’s a tad bit condescending, isn’t it? Figuring they can’t complain themselves, that you have to do it on their behalf – not even factoring in the group in question is made up of a bunch of individuals who don’t even agree completely!
So when I was a kid and my friends were using the N word, I shouldn’t say anything?
And 19th century?? My friends were using it in the 1960s. I’m not THAT old!!
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Shouldn’t people be equally offended by a character in The Walking Dead using the rhyme as a catchphrase, as he gleefully kills people with a barbwire encrusted baseball bat though?
Where were you in '77?
Shouldn’t people be equally offended by a character in The Walking Dead using the rhyme as a catchphrase, as he gleefully kills people with a barbwire encrusted baseball bat though?
Yes. Unless he’s supposed to be a racist character.
And if you aren’t personally offended why act offended? Saying something is offensive to a particular group without being involved or a part of that particular group isn’t really much of a favor to them. In fact, it’s a tad bit condescending, isn’t it? Figuring they can’t complain themselves, that you have to do it on their behalf – not even factoring in the group in question is made up of a bunch of individuals who don’t even agree completely!
So, a business is selling a potentially offensive t-shirt, I should just ignore it because it’s not my problem?
I prefer to show some empathy.
Shouldn’t people be equally offended by a character in The Walking Dead using the rhyme as a catchphrase, as he gleefully kills people with a barbwire encrusted baseball bat though?
No, one is fiction, one is real life.
I wouldn’t be offended if an actor dressed up as a Nazi for a film role of playing a Nazi, but if he wore the uniform to the Oscars I might be (Don’t get any ideas Mel Gibson! LOL)
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And if you aren’t personally offended why act offended? Saying something is offensive to a particular group without being involved or a part of that particular group isn’t really much of a favor to them. In fact, it’s a tad bit condescending, isn’t it? Figuring they can’t complain themselves, that you have to do it on their behalf – not even factoring in the group in question is made up of a bunch of individuals who don’t even agree completely!
So, a business is selling a potentially offensive t-shirt, I should just ignore it because it’s not my problem?
I prefer to show some empathy.
It’s not empathy, it’s coddling. Taking the moral high ground here is wrong, honestly I find people going out of their way to protect minorities from things that might hurt their feelings as if they’re children who can’t do it themselves patronizing, and I’m not alone there. When everything is potentially offensive, as offense is subjective by nature, where’s the line drawn? How far are we going to go to hide people from simple harsh realities?
Who asked for your empathy?
So when I was a kid and my friends were using the N word, I shouldn’t say anything?
Go ahead, that word is a special case. You again ignored the fact that in this instance the word is not used, so your complaint isn’t even relevant.
Jesus Christ this is stupid.
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And if you aren’t personally offended why act offended? Saying something is offensive to a particular group without being involved or a part of that particular group isn’t really much of a favor to them. In fact, it’s a tad bit condescending, isn’t it? Figuring they can’t complain themselves, that you have to do it on their behalf – not even factoring in the group in question is made up of a bunch of individuals who don’t even agree completely!
So, a business is selling a potentially offensive t-shirt, I should just ignore it because it’s not my problem?
I prefer to show some empathy.
It’s not empathy, it’s coddling. Taking the moral high ground here is wrong, honestly I find people going out of their way to protect minorities from things that might hurt their feelings as if they’re children who can’t do it themselves patronizing, and I’m not alone there. When everything is potentially offensive, as offense is subjective by nature, where’s the line drawn? How far are we going to go to hide people from simple harsh realities?
Who asked for your empathy?
Well, it’s not as if these minorities don’t have a history of significant offenses against them. I mean that’s just a fact that you can’t get around. Instead of pretending that history never existed or pretending that there’s nothing wrong anymore, we should be working to make things right. We can’t just throw our hands up in the air and say “that’s life!” We should be better than that.