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Originally posted by: HotRod
Watch BTTF 3, then come back.
That film is so full of bloody plot holes and mistakes.
Big fucking mistakes.
Many a conversation I've had about time travel with my mates early into the morning...granted we are usually fucked..but time travel man...good thread...it's about time man
(see what I done there)
What are some of the plot holes/mistakes you are referring to?
I know there is the 'problem' with the name of the canyon, because Doc's involvment would have kept Clara from dying which is evident by the tombstone. But we never saw the name of the canyon after Doc went back to 1885, so its possible it kept its original name until Marty caused further changes and it was then called Eastwood Canyon.
I cant figure out how Doc ended up making another time machine though. That still eludes me. Yeah, im sure he's good, but the materials he needed wouldnt have been available back then. Plus he also totally abandons his no more time travel rule at the end.
also, ric, if multiple universes are created then everytime they went back to the future they would end up in a different universe and the universe that existed with the original way would still exist. I think Doc actually refered to it as an alternate reality. which makes more sense, but the way two worked it also implies that even after they changed it 'back' by getting the almanac that reality where Biff had the almanac would still exist in a different plane of existence. So also, what determines what reality they end up in when they travel through time...wouldnt they always stay in their current plane?
Like Windexed said, its enough to drive you nuts if you think about it too much.
also as far as 12 Monkeys goes
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at the end on the plane, the lead female scientist from the future that sent Bruce Willis' character back in time was on the plane with the guy who released the virus. I always took this as she went back to learn prevent the virus...or at least further spread of it since at this point it was already released.
also, with his voice message, when they first sent him back it was because of the message the girl left on the machine, then the other guy came back based on the message Willis left. I mean, i see how that must have took place otherwise he wouldnt have seen himself shot (man that was trippy) but if they had that info, why couldnt they start off with that information/message instead of the one about the army of the 12 Monkeys that wasnt accurate to their cause?
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This is more along the lines of the Harry Potter take on time travel in that when they went back everything they did actually took place before they went back because they didnt really alter anything, they were already there when it 'originally' happened. There seems to be hints of this in BttF, at least in my opinion
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again, there are some time line changes, but they also have events that seem to have always taken place. Like he said at the end, we were never supposed to prevent it, only survive it. In this aspect nothing changed, but at the same time, the people that became his lieutenants were killed so that will change the future. and the original date of D-Day was pushed back, but when it came down to it, they couldnt prevent it, they could only delay it.
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-Darth Simon