Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 127

Well I don’t know where that definition comes from but in my mind that proves my point that this is not political correctness. If the cops are giving high fives to ALL the students, then I don’t see how it is in any way politically incorrect.

Despite what some people think, political correctness is NOT over sensitivity for the sake of over sensitivity. Cops are a part of this country and many schools have officers stationed inside them during the day. If anything, this should help the kids with that simple fact. Political correctness ain’t got nothing to with any of it.

DominicCobb said:

Well I don’t know where that definition comes from but in my mind that proves my point that this is not political correctness. If the cops are giving high fives to ALL the students, then I don’t see how it is in any way politically incorrect.

Well why did the they have stop doing it then?

Despite what some people think, political correctness is NOT over sensitivity for the sake of over sensitivity.

Sometimes I think it is.

Cops are a part of this country and many schools have officers stationed inside them during the day. If anything, this should help the kids with that simple fact. Political correctness ain’t got nothing to with any of it.

I’m not sure what your point here is.

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Well I don’t know where that definition comes from but in my mind that proves my point that this is not political correctness. If the cops are giving high fives to ALL the students, then I don’t see how it is in any way politically incorrect.

Well why did the they have stop doing it then?

Because they were being silly. As I said

Cops are a part of this country and many schools have officers stationed inside them during the day. If anything, this should help the kids with that simple fact. Political correctness ain’t got nothing to with any of it.

I understand that cops can make kids uncomfortable (this is true even for white kids), but you can’t just pretend they don’t exist. That’s not what political correctness is about.

Despite what some people think, political correctness is NOT over sensitivity for the sake of over sensitivity.

Sometimes I think it is.

That’s a bastardization of what it’s supposed to be. Some people treat it that way, but that’s not what the idea is, and it just gives it a bad name.

moviefreakedmind said:

I agree that there shouldn’t be anything politically incorrect about what the police were doing, but them deciding not to do this anymore as a response to people supposedly being uncomfortable was an attempt to be politically correct.

Well if so, then “attempt” is the key word. There isn’t anything politically incorrect about cops giving kids high fives, and there isn’t anything politically correct about stopping them from doing so.

from wikipedia:

The term political correctness (adjectivally: politically correct; commonly abbreviated to PC[1] or P.C.) in modern usage, is used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society. In mainstream political discourse and media, the term is generally used as a pejorative, implying that these policies are excessive.

DominicCobb said:

Well if so, then “attempt” is the key word. There isn’t anything politically incorrect about cops giving kids high fives,

agreed.

and there isn’t anything politically correct about stopping them from doing so.

disagreed.

Warbler said:

from wikipedia:

The term political correctness (adjectivally: politically correct; commonly abbreviated to PC[1] or P.C.) in modern usage, is used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society. In mainstream political discourse and media, the term is generally used as a pejorative, implying that these policies are excessive.

Well I guess you’re saying this was done to avoid offense, and to that I say this is a bastardization of that concept. The mere presence of cops doesn’t cause offense. It might make kids uncomfortable, but that’s something different, and it’s not something that can be always avoided.

If anything, I think the idea that these cops would be giving all the kids high fives is actually politically correct in that they’re promoting inclusion and friendliness between cops and disadvantaged kids.

As to the pejorative, I think it’s unfortunate the term has taken on that implication, as the goal of political correctness is a laudable one and in most cases is done with tact. Unfortunately, there are always some dipshits who don’t really get it and take things too far, and the opposition blows their contributions out of proportion so as to delegitimize the whole ideology.

Does it really matter if this is considered PC or not?

All I care about is this.

TV’s Frink said:

Does it really matter if this is considered PC or not?

Well, I think so.

Just because someone does something to be “PC” doesn’t mean they are actually being “PC.” As with seemingly everything, people don’t understand that you can’t take the actions of a select few and think that they represent everyone else.

Just because some people misuse the PC concept doesn’t mean the PC concept is bad.

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

Does it really matter if this is considered PC or not?

Well, I think so.

Just because someone does something to be “PC” doesn’t mean they are actually being “PC.” As with seemingly everything, people don’t understand that you can’t take the actions of a select few and think that they represent everyone else.

Just because some people misuse the PC concept doesn’t mean the PC concept is bad.

Who decides what is and isn’t PC? In my opinion, if someone is doing something to be “PC” then they are absolutely being “PC”, what you or anyone else deem to be actually “PC” don’t factor in to the equation at all.

Jeebus said:

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

Does it really matter if this is considered PC or not?

Well, I think so.

Just because someone does something to be “PC” doesn’t mean they are actually being “PC.” As with seemingly everything, people don’t understand that you can’t take the actions of a select few and think that they represent everyone else.

Just because some people misuse the PC concept doesn’t mean the PC concept is bad.

Who decides what is and isn’t PC? In my opinion, if someone is doing something to be “PC” then they are absolutely being “PC”, what you or anyone else deem to be actually “PC” don’t factor in to the equation at all.

I’d say whether it fits the definition or not. In this case, it does not. In no way are the mere presence of cops “offensive.” Uncomfortable, maybe. But there’s nothing offensive about what they’re doing.

Some people don’t understand what the word offensive means. But words do have meanings. We can’t just throw our hands up in the air and allow misinterpretations to become the de facto definitions. This applies to this and many other matters.

whatever ™

The goal of PC is to treat others with respect. If you want to dump the loonies in with everyone else to deligitimze and demonize the whole concept, fine.

I try not to look at Bill Maher.

Avoidance does not necessarily equal self censorship. It’s not just the words or topics themselves, it’s how you use them or talk about them.

Treating people with respect is not the explicit definition, but it is the underlining goal.

In the proper context, people will understand and not be offended by words and phrases that will most certainly cause offense if used in disparaging contexts.

For example, there are many “okay” ways to use the word “retard.” PC doesn’t advocate removing it from the dictionary. But if you use it to describe a stupid person, yeah sure that’s offensive. If you think that’s terrible self-censorship, then well I don’t know what to say - we just strongly disagree.

(Side note: please let’s NOT turn this into an argument about the word retard. Don’t need to go there again.)

DominicCobb said:

Side note: please let’s NOT turn this into an argument about the word retard.

I’m more on your side than mfm’s but you really shouldn’t have called him a retard.