Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 80

Tyrphanax said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/refugee-border-crossing-manitoba-1.3959558

In the past three months, Manitoba Interfaith Immigration Council staff said they have met with more than 80 applicants looking to open refugee files. The normal number for an entire year is 50 to 60.

The council opened 10 new files on Monday alone, executive director Rita Chahal said, noting that most claimants came from Djibouti, while a few are from Somalia and one is from Eritrea.

Eight walked over the border, while two others entered the country at the Niagara border crossing in Ontario and were transferred to Winnipeg because they have family there, said Ghezae Hagos, a paralegal with the council.

What kinda ass-backwards world are we living in that people are fleeing the US and seeking refugee status?

I remember that episode of Sliders.

Hey, waitaminute, this isn’t fiction; this is reality. Scary.

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yes let’s stop believing all the countless press institutions that have stood for generations on the principle of objective reporting and start listening to random YouTube guys instead! They’re the ones who really know what’s up.

The person whose video it was was not the point of the post. But of course, deflect if you must, the fact is these press institutions you revere bow to dollar bills. You and I do not factor in to that unless we’re watching and believing.

Why is it so difficult for some of you to use your own brains instead of letting all these news outlets feed you what you believe to be the god’s honest truth just because it caters to your emotional opinion?

Maybe frievous is right, maybe this country is going to hell in a handbasket, I’m glad I don’t count on that ride to be happy.

You should really listen to your own advice.

What matters is simply the facts. I’m sorry your side has tricked you into believing otherwise.

There is no side, we are Americans. Where did you even learn that?

Yes, we are. But your side feels the need to keep making it about “sides” even when things like decent American principles are at stake.

It is not about sides and I wish you’d stop saying “my side”.

It absolutely shouldn’t be about sides but unfortunately that’s what’s being pushed from the right.

This would indicate that the “left” is pushing it as well, correct?

It’s no secret that the country is becoming more polarized. But my point was that the right is choosing to make bipartisan issues partisan. When things like basic American principles are at stake, sides shouldn’t factor into it, and yet that’s exactly what’s happening on the right.

It is also happening on the left. If it was not, you would not have said “my side” when referring to me and what I said. The point is, both political parties are just as divided as America has become recently. I hold no loyalty to either party and maybe that is why I don’t particularly jive with most in this thread. Now, I do post opposite sides of stuff that gets posted, but it’s more due to the point that there is always 2 versions of the same story. I prefer to try and find a middle ground but it is far more difficult than holding to the “your side, my side” thought process.

Tyrphanax said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/refugee-border-crossing-manitoba-1.3959558

In the past three months, Manitoba Interfaith Immigration Council staff said they have met with more than 80 applicants looking to open refugee files. The normal number for an entire year is 50 to 60.

The council opened 10 new files on Monday alone, executive director Rita Chahal said, noting that most claimants came from Djibouti, while a few are from Somalia and one is from Eritrea.

Eight walked over the border, while two others entered the country at the Niagara border crossing in Ontario and were transferred to Winnipeg because they have family there, said Ghezae Hagos, a paralegal with the council.

What kinda ass-backwards world are we living in that people are fleeing the US and seeking refugee status?

Did Rosie O’Donnell go with them? LOL

SilverWook said:

Jetrell Fo said:

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56194

20 ‘Vetted’ Refugees Who Turned to Terrorism After Being Allowed Into America

Interesting website, no info on who really runs it or owns it. A brief perusal of their anti vaccination article makes me think twice about the rest of their content.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/20-vetted-muslim-refugees-who-turned-to-jihad-terrorism-after-being-allowed-into-the-u-s

http://freedomdaily.com/obamas-vetted-muslim-refugees/

http://www.blacklistednews.com/20_'Vetted'_Refugees_Who_Turned_to_Terrorism_After_Being_Allowed_Into_America/56556/0/38/38/Y/M.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3333476/Senator-reveals-12-vetted-refugees-turned-terrorism-moving-U-S-GOP-leaders-attempt-shrink-budget-Obama-s-Syrian-resettlement-program.html

Tyrphanax said:

Both of those articles link to Information Liberation as their source.

Maybe they turn to terrorism because some Americans are racist assholes to them?

So if a Syrian refugee was a racist asshole to you, you’d turn to terrorism?

Jetrell Fo said:

Tyrphanax said:

Both of those articles link to Information Liberation as their source.

Maybe they turn to terrorism because some Americans are racist assholes to them?

So if a Syrian refugee was a racist asshole to you, you’d turn to terrorism?

A more apt analogy would be if he were to emigrate to Syria and find himself surrounded by anti-American assholes.

SilverWook said:

Jetrell Fo said:

SilverWook said:

Jetrell Fo said:

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56194

20 ‘Vetted’ Refugees Who Turned to Terrorism After Being Allowed Into America

Interesting website, no info on who really runs it or owns it. A brief perusal of their anti vaccination article makes me think twice about the rest of their content.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/20-vetted-muslim-refugees-who-turned-to-jihad-terrorism-after-being-allowed-into-the-u-s

http://freedomdaily.com/obamas-vetted-muslim-refugees/

After they fled the country?

From what I’ve read, they came here, then quietly slipped out of the country after pledging their allegiance to a terrorist organization. I know one joined the Army, got his training, then slipped out through Mexico and a few other places taking the long route back to whatever organization he pledged his life to.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Tyrphanax said:

Both of those articles link to Information Liberation as their source.

Maybe they turn to terrorism because some Americans are racist assholes to them?

So if a Syrian refugee was a racist asshole to you, you’d turn to terrorism?

A more apt analogy would be if he were to emigrate to Syria and find himself surrounded by anti-American assholes.

You said it better than I did, thank you, at least someone knew what I was getting at.

Here is a go-to site for some here.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/31/obama-refugee-vetting-procedure-enabled-iraqi-terr/?

This article lists the same 20 that are on the other links I posted. I’m surprised Frink didn’t post this.

Tyrphanax said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Tyrphanax said:

Both of those articles link to Information Liberation as their source.

Maybe they turn to terrorism because some Americans are racist assholes to them?

So if a Syrian refugee was a racist asshole to you, you’d turn to terrorism?

A more apt analogy would be if he were to emigrate to Syria and find himself surrounded by anti-American assholes.

Indeed.

If I left my country to a vaunted land of the free where I was a minority, I wouldn’t go right to terrorism.

But if I was surrounded by a country that distrusted me and looked at me sideways at the McDonald’s or tailed me while I was shopping at the mall. Or moved to the other side of the street when I passed them. Or called me racial slurs. Or if their news was constantly calling my people terrorists, or drains on society, or unMiddle-Eastern, I might start to wonder if maybe I wasn’t welcome. Maybe over time I’d start to resent and hate them. Maybe I’d meet other American refugees with similar experiences who believed more radical things than I did and I’d start listening to them.

And after that, who knows? Maybe it would be too much one day when I was just trying to walk home from work and someone shoved me off the sidewalk and yelled “go home, American dog” for the fifth time that week for the hundredth week in a row, I’d snap.

It would seem that you’ve changed your position some then because you said this originally.

Tyrphanax said:

Both of those articles link to Information Liberation as their source.

Maybe they turn to terrorism because some Americans are racist assholes to them?

Now you’re saying a whole country. Why would you even go to a country that disturbed you?

And The Washington Post has the same info those stories to.

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think that anyone should kid themselves by saying that people are willing to blow themselves up and kill innocent men, women, and children purely because a small number of people in the United States are mean to them. If we look at instances in history where groups of people were genuinely oppressed in Western countries, they didn’t result in the mass-murder of unarmed civilians. Black people before the Civil Right Movement and Jews under Nazi Germany to say the least. I hate this justification of terrorism. It’s true that the invasion of Iraq was a disaster and it upset the balance of power, but Iraq under Sadaam Hussein was just as much of a shit hole as it is now, except the murder is coming from sectarian conflict instead of a violent dictator.

It’s not a “justification,” it’s simply a fact that it is being used by terrorists to recruit. They have a narrative that America is evil, and when people here are Islamophobic, or when our country invades and bombs their country, it only feeds into that narrative.

Tyrphanax said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t think that anyone should kid themselves by saying that people are willing to blow themselves up and kill innocent men, women, and children purely because a small number of people in the United States are mean to them. If we look at instances in history where groups of people were genuinely oppressed in Western countries, they didn’t result in the mass-murder of unarmed civilians. Black people before the Civil Right Movement and Jews under Nazi Germany to say the least. I hate this justification of terrorism. It’s true that the invasion of Iraq was a disaster and it upset the balance of power, but Iraq under Sadaam Hussein was just as much of a shit hole as it is now, except the murder is coming from sectarian conflict instead of a violent dictator.

I think you also missed the point. The point is not to justify or say “this is the only reason people become terrorists,” the point is that it sure doesn’t help, does it? Every time someone is an openly racist prick, it makes radicalization that much easier when you feel spurned, hated, and isolated. It makes justifying violence that much easier when you feel spurned, hated, and isolated. When you’re a refugee or immigrant or minority or a white dude or anybody in a community that supports and helps and accepts and loves you, you’re not going to be as likely to want to blow them up.

There’s a great Invisibilia episode about this sort of thing.
https://www.npr.org/player/embed/485602601/486026312

We’re in the wrong timeline.