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Post #1040182

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Tyrphanax
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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27-Jan-2017, 4:14 PM

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.

I agree.

I love the insane pipe dream that we can somehow go back to a time where coal and car-making jobs were plentiful and paid pensions you could retire on and the only reason they don’t exist anymore is because of immigrants and outsourcing (partially true, mind you), but the fact is that mainly through progress and automation, those jobs are gone forever. This reliance on the fantastical “good old days” is inane and damaging. The past is the past and we need to look forward to the future.

If you want to make America greater, you need to invest in education (at all levels, including trades) and help citizens get jobs that pay living wages in a progressive and automated world. You need to invest in comprehensive healthcare reform that guarantees that American citizens won’t have to choose between going bankrupt taking the most basic care of themselves or dying of a preventable or curable disease. You need to welcome immigrants who bring diversity and talent and innovation to our country, instead of another. You need to invest in the less advantaged among us, you need to invest in our veterans, you need to end the war on drugs so that people who make a bad choice don’t end up in poverty for the rest of their lives and so that we don’t invest in a broken, profit-driven prison industrial complex. You need to support our allies overseas and keep America in the minds of the world. You need to support science and space exploration and climate change research; America must be at the global forefront and the cutting edge of innovation and research and development and science in order to be greater. Looking back to the days of the Industrial Revolution only hurts us. Throttling scientific advances and research and reports only hurts us.

If you want to end illegal immigration from our southern border, you need to invest in Mexico and help make it a country with a strong economy and a strong government that its people don’t need to leave in order to secure a future for themselves and their families; you cannot treat the symptoms and expect to cure the disease, you must treat the cause. As a side effect, it also gives us a strong southern ally, and boosts the entire economy of the western hemisphere. You can’t just build a wall and contribute to the destruction of the environment through creating millions oft yards of concrete, by creating an impassable barrier for flora and fauna, by spending millions of taxpayer dollars and expect the problem to just “go away.”

This strange notion that isolationism is a good plan in any way in a modern world is ridiculous. It didn’t work for feudal Japan and it certainly won’t work in 2017. With each area we pull out of, with each foreign program we stop funding, Russia steps in. China steps in. Our rivals step in, and after America finally wakes up from its nap, we will find ourselves in a world where we are no longer a superpower and have no horse in the global race, with more powerful rivals on every side. I wasn’t a fan of TPP in its current form (and its the one thing I’ve agreed with President Trump on so far), but I acknowledge that denying it opens the door for China to dictate trade in the Pacific, and so reworking the TPP to be in the best interests of the people and not the corporations, while allowing the US to hold China’s interests in the Pacific off must happen. Globalization is happening and it cannot be stopped, only ignored to the detriment of the ignorant.

Anyway that got a bit out of hand, but yeah I agree.