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The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy — Page 2

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DrDre said:

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Other than the colors being more saturated, am I close to how these settings should look? I ask again, because I can’t trust my own monitor to give me a proper look.

Leia really looks natural here, at least to me. Great Job!

The hues look good to me, although the skin tones may be a bit too yellow for my tastes, but I think you boosted the saturation too much.

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So the WOWOW video is actually useful for something? O_O

Color me surprised…

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I made several comparison between WOWOW and BD, and EP4 WOWOW has a slightly different color grading; * probably * it’s the same of the 2015 web download, but this needs a confirmation; EP5 and EP6 have the same colors.

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I would be interested to know if the WOWOW color grading matches the samples on starwars.com, which have a slightly different color grading than the bluray.

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If you point me to some screenshots (with links) I would make some comparison.

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^…^ said:

If you point me to some screenshots (with links) I would make some comparison.

Thanks! Here are two examples:

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dlvh said:

^…^ said:

Tweaked a bit previous settings; lowered green and saturation a bit, increased gamma and contrast; top WOWOW, bottom WOWOW 2017ReGrade2:

Don’t want to push too much, because I’d like to leave some details in the shadows, and avoid black crush/white clipping as much as possible.

Okay…I’m trying to adjust my colors as well, and although I can’t count on my monitor to give me accurate colors, I think this is close…albeit, I know I have the colors much more saturated then Dre’s here:

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Other than the colors being more saturated, am I close to how these settings should look? I ask again, because I can’t trust my own monitor to give me a proper look.

I actually really dig the colors here.

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Thanks! They look to be the same.

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DrDre said:

Thanks! They look to be the same.

I don’t think so; they are REALLY close (much more than any previous release), still, not exactly the same; EP5 and EP6 are not almost the same, but they are identical, color wise. Again, don’t know if it’s a transfer error, or they changed the colors intentionally, but they are different, albeit slightly.

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^…^ said:

DrDre said:

Thanks! They look to be the same.

I don’t think so; they are REALLY close (much more than any previous release), still, not exactly the same; EP5 and EP6 are not almost the same, but they are identical, color wise. Again, don’t know if it’s a transfer error, or they changed the colors intentionally, but they are different, albeit slightly.

On closer inspection there’s slightly more red in the WOWOW. I wonder if this could have been caused by a color space transformation?

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DrDre said:

Thanks! They look to be the same.

I don’t think so; they are REALLY close (much more than any previous release), still, not exactly the same; EP5 and EP6 are not almost the same, but they are identical, color wise. Again, don’t know if it’s a transfer error, or they changed the colors intentionally, but they are different, albeit slightly.

Agreed. To my eye the top images look just a hair more green. It’s really close though.

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Probably is not that the top image has a bit more green, is the fact that the bottom one (WOWOW) has not enough! 😄

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Definitely the same master - slight variations like this can easily be introduced in re-encoding and format-to-format conversions.

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Back to the original color grading of Star Wars. I decided to have another attempt at the Vader/Antilles sequence, but now rather than do a manual correction, I matched the bluray to a white balanced photo of a projected print using the color matching tool, and then make a few manual adjustments to the contrast to obtain a better color match and a more film like color grading.

The original photo reference:

The white balanced photo reference (using the subtitles):

These are the frames I corrected:

Here are the results:

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Here’s a comparison with the GOUT and Harmy’s Despecialized V2.5 (I don’t have V2.7 available at the moment, so anyone?).

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Color wise, I like your result very much; still, a bit too bright, maybe…

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Color wise, I like your result very much; still, a bit too bright, maybe…

I decided to stay closer to the print photos, which seem to indicate the scene is quite a bit brighter than the bluray. However, they might be a bit too bright, so I’ve updated them.

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Blackout said:

^…^ said:

Color wise, I like your result very much; still, a bit too bright, maybe…

I’d agree. The white looks blown out on the right most trooper’s reflective armor.

I’ve adjusted the brightness:

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Using the balanced technicolor print as a reference, I’ve been able to correct the 1977 bootleg, which has all the hallmarks of a technicolor print. What is revealed is a color palette, that is natural, and doesn’t have the green shift that we’re used to seeing for the technicolor prints, and no yellow Tatooine. Could these approximately be the colors of the 1977 Star Wars interpositive? Here are a shots from reel 1. More to follow…

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I should note, that the entire film is being corrected with a single LUT.

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There are some shots that look more “right” to me in those corrections than almost any version I’ve ever seen before.

This just looks “right” to me. I especially love those shots in the Tantive engine room. It actually looks like it’s in the shadows! And the conference room scene, with that deep saturation and rich blacks.

I like this thread very much.

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Can I make a suggestion Dr. Dre? Take the original blu ray, and then make a 5 minute “cut” that includes 5-10 second chunks of the most important scenes. You could even trim into multiple files by reel, so you have a 1 minute “quick review” for each reel.

Then when you apply your color corrections, you can render the entire “movie” in a few minutes and review how it looks in film more quickly… and maybe even upload a few of the best samples for us to review. 😃 For my one pass correction process it made iterative steps much faster and easier.