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stealthboy said:

MalàStrana said:
2 very bad SW movies in a row

Wut.

Dude, we just got over the damn prequels. That was a low point for Star Wars. Anything new is good. You might not have liked TFA or RO, but I for one think they were pretty damn good and a great way for Disney to start to correct the sins of the prequels.

Anyone dismissing TFA doesn’t understand the tightrope Disney had to walk to try to please both old and new fans. I think they did a great job.

To seal the deal, they need to release an original unaltered theatrical set of the trilogy. It might not sell like hotcakes, but damn if it won’t cement a hardcore fan base.

There is no thread, no matter the topic, that Mala can’t turn into a Disney SW bitchfest.

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I didnt hate TFA. Sure it might not be my favorite SW film but I thought it was pretty entertaining and has made me excited for VIII. R1 havent seen yet so I have no opinion on that.

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The TFA thread is that a way.

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Where were you in '77?

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You mean the one where the current discussion is about what Star Wars character you dressed up as for Halloween in the 90’s?

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stealthboy said:

MalàStrana said:
2 very bad SW movies in a row

Wut.

Dude, we just got over the damn prequels. That was a low point for Star Wars. Anything new is good. You might not have liked TFA or RO, but I for one think they were pretty damn good and a great way for Disney to start to correct the sins of the prequels.

Anyone dismissing TFA doesn’t understand the tightrope Disney had to walk to try to please both old and new fans. I think they did a great job.

To seal the deal, they need to release an original unaltered theatrical set of the trilogy. It might not sell like hotcakes, but damn if it won’t cement a hardcore fan base.

You’re arguing with someone who rates Rogue One 0/10.

And no, he hasn’t given any of the prequels negative numbered scores.

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Two good things about a 4K SE:

  1. I’ll take anything over the 2004 masters.

  2. It forces Disney to deal with Fox.

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I feel like a release this fall with an announcement during Celebration is a good bet. Okay, maybe not good, but definitely what I hope for.

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I’ve heard release in September with a likely announcement either in Celebration or in May.

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A 4K restoration done with Disney Dollars sounds impressive. If restoration entails using the original film and no SE.

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Sougouk said:

A 4K restoration done with Disney Dollars sounds impressive. If restoration entails using the original film and no SE.

Supposedly it was a hellishly difficult 4K restoration of both original and special versions from the negative.

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While I don’t necessarily care – as in I won’t be bummed out if we don’t get it – I’m curious to see if we get a unique 40th Anniversary cut as opposed to a remastered '11 cut. I wouldn’t be surprised if we got a new cut that preserved the “updated” fx but junked some of nonsense changes, especially the '11 changes.

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

While I don’t necessarily care – as in I won’t be bummed out if we don’t get it – I’m curious to see if we get a unique 40th Anniversary cut as opposed to a remastered '11 cut. I wouldn’t be surprised if we got a new cut that preserved the “updated” fx but junked some of nonsense changes, especially the '11 changes.

I suspect George Lucas’ 4K version has differences from the 2011 versions.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

But are they George’s or Mouse-era Lucasfilm’s?

They were started under George Lucas and finished after he sold it. Weird.

Are you talking simply the scans, or do your sources claim changes were instituted on both sides of the sale?

The dates aren’t really my sources, they’re just from the resumés of workers people on here noticed a couple of years ago. Reliance MediaWorks started working on them in 2010 or 2011 and they were worked on as recently as 2013. It’s hard to say though with those resumés. They could’ve been referring to different projects on the same movies. I did hear from someone that the recent 4K work from Reliance wasn’t done in 3D though. Maybe the early one was 3D work and probably included more changes and the later one was a normal restoration. The possibility that more stuff was being done before George sold it makes sense because the blu-rays had very few changes and I’ve heard that the blu rays were supposed to have a lot more changes to the CGI quality. Devin Faraci said that the Jabba scene was different in one of the yet-unreleased versions of Star Wars, which would make sense if George had done more work to make the CGI appear seamless before he retired. I seem to remember Bill Hunt saying that Lucas was testing a CGI Yoda for Empire and Jedi for the blu rays. That’s harder to know for sure though since it was so long ago and nobody seems to even care about it anymore. The idea of there being more changes to future transfers of the movies has been unmentioned in articles that have commented on the OOT since the Disney-sale. I personally can’t imagine them releasing a new variant of the SE without including the OOT, but I like to prepare for disappointment when it comes to Star Wars. A lot of that is getting into wild speculation though.

This is unrelated, and I’ve said this before, but it’s slipped under the radar in these types of threads; a guy on neogaf’s forums let slip that the company he works for was asked to remaster Empire of Dreams in HD (it seemed to imply that it was the same company that mastered it in the first place) but Lucasfilm kept delaying in giving them the footage from the original films. He said he was worried that they’d just have to upscale those parts if they didn’t give them the prints. The fact that Empire of Dreams is getting remastered in HD, and by now it probably has been, is promising in my opinion. Why it was taking so long to get the OOT footage (the guy admits to not being in the loop on as to why) is another question.

EDIT: I just realized that in this wall of text I didn’t even answer your question directly. I don’t know that changes were made after the acquisition, but I personally doubt it. I think that if any changes were made after the blu ray, they were done on George’s watch. For what it’s worth, Disney certainly hasn’t been kowtowing to his “vision” regarding Star Wars with the sequel films.

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It just seems so strange that he released the blus in '11 as he was preparing to put another product in the pipeline.

Regarding Yoda, they did do tests of a CG version in Empire, but it was in the context of testing potential models for Clones. You can find behind the scenes footage of George watching the tests on YouTube iirc.

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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Replacing Empire puppet Yoda with CGI would make all the “Han Shot First” stuff look quaint. It would be blasted by every nerd outlet, with only the most hardcore Prequel Justice Warriors for it.

Kennedy has no reason to even pay lip service to Lucas anymore. He called them white slavers and went off on TFA when it was in theaters.

Hopefully a 4K restoration was completed with Kennedy at the helm: Lucas’ was probably done on the cheap (like 2004) and with not much care to making the movies look right. Kennedy at least knows you have to spend some money once in a while.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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Truth is, Lucas had not even seen TFA when that interview was done in Oct or early Nov 2015. It was played after the movie released as if it was some criticism of the film when nothing directly was spoken of the film. Lucas also released a statement apologizing for the Slavers comment and said that they had done a good job continuing the franchise. Why would he have to do that? He’s not bound by anything. And We don’t know what will be incorporated of George’s treatment yet. Pablo of Lucasfilm story group states (And he knows what’s coming in the future stories)
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lovelikewinter said:

Replacing Empire puppet Yoda with CGI would make all the “Han Shot First” stuff look quaint. It would be blasted by every nerd outlet, with only the most hardcore Prequel Justice Warriors for it.

Kennedy has no reason to even pay lip service to Lucas anymore. He called them white slavers and went off on TFA when it was in theaters.

Hopefully a 4K restoration was completed with Kennedy at the helm: Lucas’ was probably done on the cheap (like 2004) and with not much care to making the movies look right. Kennedy at least knows you have to spend some money once in a while.

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It would be incredibly bad to CGI Yoda in ESB & ROTJ, and insulting to Frank Oz’s contribution to the Original Trilogy with his puppeteering skills. Also, a CGI Yoda in ESB would ruin the original look when you first meet him.
Your first introduction of Yoda, is that of a Jedi Hermit, whose been cooped up on Degobah for 20+ years. He looks dishevelled, crazy, and a little kooky. If they CGI Yoda in ESB & ROTJ, all those characteristics will disappear, and we’ll have a sterilised Yoda, like in the PT.

CGI Yoda works for the PT, because it’s newer, and the technology was there to do a great job of presenting a noble, gentile, wise, Jedi Master, Yoda. But, in the OT, it won’t add anything, but subtract the true essence of Jedi Hermit, Yoda, that everyone fell in love with, when they first met him with Luke.