Raiders of the Lost Ark 35mm LPP Theatrical Experience - v1.0 (Released) — Page 5

Hulu just added Raiders as a streaming movie on their site. It’s prominently featured on the home page. This is significant because they are showing the Wowow version, NOT the blu-ray. This is the first time I have ever seen or heard of the Wowow version being used for broadcast outside of Japan (it was shown in US movie theaters briefly for the 30th anniversary in 2011). Or anywhere since the blu-ray was released in 2012. Could this mean Paramount is shying away from using the blu-ray transfer? Have they heard the outcry against the revisionist blu-ray?

Hard to say, they could have mistakenly sent this transfer. That seems unlikely because it was never used before and the blu-ray transfer has always been used for broadcast, streaming, clips and live symphony concerts. It seems like it would have to be deliberate to pull this version from the archives. Whatever the case, I’m glad a wide audience will finally have a chance to see a more accurate HD version. And it gives a glimmer of hope that the eventual 4K release might not be the blu-ray version.

The downside is that they have cropped the ends to fit it into a 16x9 frame, and the sound is compressed. And the resolution is not as good as it should be. So we just can’t seem to win. But still better than the messed up orange/teal color and remixed sound IMO.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1019346

JayArgonaut said:

Thanks for the heads up. As a matter of curiosity, is it possible for you to share a comparison of the regular framing and the cropping please? I’m in the UK and so can’t access Hulu, as I don’t have my proxy at the moment. Otherwise I’d have a go myself.

I’ll try to get a screengrab later, but it appears to just have the ends chopped off so there is no letterboxing. They do this for US TV broadcasts as well, but have always used the blu-ray transfer.

litemakr said:

Hulu just added Raiders as a streaming movie on their site. It’s prominently featured on the home page. This is significant because they are showing the Wowow version, NOT the blu-ray. This is the first time I have ever seen or heard of the Wowow version being used for broadcast outside of Japan (it was shown in US movie theaters briefly for the 30th anniversary in 2011). Or anywhere since the blu-ray was released in 2012. Could this mean Paramount is shying away from using the blu-ray transfer? Have they head the outcry against the revisionist blu-ray?

Hard to say, they could have mistakenly sent this transfer. That seems unlikely because it was never used before and the blu-ray has transfer has always been used for broadcast, streaming, clips and live symphony concerts. It seems like it would have to be deliberate to pull this version from the archives. Whatever the case, I’m glad a wide audience will finally have a chance to see a more accurate HD version. And it gives a glimmer of hope that the eventual 4K release might not be the blu-ray version.

The downside is that they have cropped the ends to fit it into a 16x9 frame, and the sound is compressed. And the resolution is not as good as it should be. So we just can’t seem to win. But still better than the messed up orange/teal color and remixed sound IMO.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1019346

I saw the Wowow version on two different TV channels here in Canada in the last few weeks. And one of the two was also Pan and scan with the sides removed.

It also exists in mobile form as well. Pan-and-scan is back in full force.

babouin said:

litemakr said:

Hulu just added Raiders as a streaming movie on their site. It’s prominently featured on the home page. This is significant because they are showing the Wowow version, NOT the blu-ray. This is the first time I have ever seen or heard of the Wowow version being used for broadcast outside of Japan (it was shown in US movie theaters briefly for the 30th anniversary in 2011). Or anywhere since the blu-ray was released in 2012. Could this mean Paramount is shying away from using the blu-ray transfer? Have they head the outcry against the revisionist blu-ray?

Hard to say, they could have mistakenly sent this transfer. That seems unlikely because it was never used before and the blu-ray has transfer has always been used for broadcast, streaming, clips and live symphony concerts. It seems like it would have to be deliberate to pull this version from the archives. Whatever the case, I’m glad a wide audience will finally have a chance to see a more accurate HD version. And it gives a glimmer of hope that the eventual 4K release might not be the blu-ray version.

The downside is that they have cropped the ends to fit it into a 16x9 frame, and the sound is compressed. And the resolution is not as good as it should be. So we just can’t seem to win. But still better than the messed up orange/teal color and remixed sound IMO.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1019346

I saw the Wowow version on two different TV channels here in Canada in the last few weeks. And one of the two was also Pan and scan with the sides removed.

Interesting. I wonder if Paramount has changed the version they provide for broadcast/streaming to the wowow. Raiders was shown over the holidays in the US on the SyFy channel, but I didn’t see it. I wonder if they used the wowow. Amazon is still streaming the blu-ray version.

This looks great! Filmic colours, contrast, pops & grain is how Indiana Jones is supposed to be so I may have it for breakfast sometime…

Can’t wait to grab a copy.

I do wish every classic movie was released this way. Commercial colourists don’t seem to have a clue.

I was at happy hour today and they were showing the Hulu (wowow) version with the sound down. A mostly 20 something crowd was watching intently and commenting how good it looked in HD and how much they loved the movie. Great to see people getting exposed to a good HD version instead of the blu-ray and still appreciating the movie even though they were way too young to remember it coming out.

Doesn’t that version contain more changes?

Wazzles said:

No, fewer digital changes than the blu-ray. You are probably thinking of the HD version of the Lowry DVD master, which had a CG re-do of the car going off the cliff. The wowow is a newer 4K remaster done for the 2011 30th anniversary and has much more accurate color than the blu-ray.

JayArgonaut said:

@litemakr: over the years, which release(s) have been your preferred viewing?

I’ve owned and watched all of them. I probably watched the laserdisc and DVD the most and the blu-ray the least. The DVD has the best exposure of any release (nothing is blown out). I prefer the look of the 35mm transfer overall and plan to create a version 2.0, hopefully this year. I think the wowow is the best official transfer even though it has some problems. If you reduce brightness and saturation a bit, it looks really good. I’m curious to see how Dr. Dre’s project to match the wowow to the 35mm turns out, that may be the best overall option in the future.

litemakr said:

Wazzles said:

No, fewer digital changes than the blu-ray. You are probably thinking of the HD version of the Lowry DVD master, which had a CG re-do of the car going off the cliff. The wowow is a newer 4K remaster done for the 2011 30th anniversary and has much more accurate color than the blu-ray.

I thought it had some recomped elements and also erased the guiding rod for the boulder?

Wazzles said:

litemakr said:

Wazzles said:

No, fewer digital changes than the blu-ray. You are probably thinking of the HD version of the Lowry DVD master, which had a CG re-do of the car going off the cliff. The wowow is a newer 4K remaster done for the 2011 30th anniversary and has much more accurate color than the blu-ray.

I thought it had some recomped elements and also erased the guiding rod for the boulder?

Yes, it has the same digital tweaks as the DVD but not the additional ones added to the blu-ray or the CGI shot from the HD Lowry version.

litemakr said:

Wazzles said:

litemakr said:

Wazzles said:

No, fewer digital changes than the blu-ray. You are probably thinking of the HD version of the Lowry DVD master, which had a CG re-do of the car going off the cliff. The wowow is a newer 4K remaster done for the 2011 30th anniversary and has much more accurate color than the blu-ray.

I thought it had some recomped elements and also erased the guiding rod for the boulder?

Yes, it has the same digital tweaks as the DVD but not the additional ones added to the blu-ray or the CGI shot from the HD Lowry version.

I thought the Blu Ray was closer to the theatrical. What was changed?

Wazzles said:

litemakr said:

Wazzles said:

litemakr said:

Wazzles said:

No, fewer digital changes than the blu-ray. You are probably thinking of the HD version of the Lowry DVD master, which had a CG re-do of the car going off the cliff. The wowow is a newer 4K remaster done for the 2011 30th anniversary and has much more accurate color than the blu-ray.

I thought it had some recomped elements and also erased the guiding rod for the boulder?

Yes, it has the same digital tweaks as the DVD but not the additional ones added to the blu-ray or the CGI shot from the HD Lowry version.

I thought the Blu Ray was closer to the theatrical. What was changed?

The entire film has a “modernized” orange/teal color scheme inconsistently applied, it is brightened to the point that shots are overexposed, the sound is remixed, it has heavy DNR and there are additional digital tweaks. The blu-ray is the least faithful of all official releases.

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alexp120 said:

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Cool. I’m not aware of any big issues with the blu-ray of Doom, there aren’t any radical color or digital changes. But I’m not much of an expert on that film.

So strangely enough, they have also added all the Indy movies to Amazon Prime this week, but unless my eyes are deceiving me, the transfer of Raiders on prime is sourced from the Blu-Ray. So Paramount is being inconsistent on which transfer they license out to which company.

CodySolo said:

So strangely enough, they have also added all the Indy movies to Amazon Prime this week, but unless my eyes are deceiving me, the transfer of Raiders on prime is sourced from the Blu-Ray. So Paramount is being inconsistent on which transfer they license out to which company.

It has been on prime for a while. It’s the blu-ray transfer.

Does any of you know where can i get this version? Thank you!!!

anibalcris said:

Does any of you know where can i get this version? Thank you!!!

The Spleen. I already have it. Of course I don’t own the Indiana Jones movies on DVD anymore. Just the Blu-rays as everyone should. Except there are some bonus features which weren’t fully carried over to the BDs.