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Post #1032934

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MalàStrana
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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS **
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12-Jan-2017, 5:12 AM

Tyrphanax said:

MalàStrana said:

Tyrphanax said:

Frank your Majesty said:

MalàStrana said:

doubleofive said:

I actually laughed in the theater when he takes his mask off to reveal that he’s just some bratty kid. It’s a fantastic moment, gives you the exact impression of him that you’re supposed to have: he’s a wannabe who has very little idea what he’s doing.

I strongly agree. The only difference is that you think this is brillant while I believe it ruins the main menace… and the story as a whole. In ANH Tarkin and Vader are cold and intelligent; in TFA their “young versions” Hux and Ren are so childish that I never believe in the First Order. I just don’t buy it.

“I hate TFA, it’s such a rehash. Also, the main villains are not like Tarkin or Vader, which is also bad.”

I kinda feel like this is what a lot of the arguments against the Disney-era films boil down to.

That’s because you don’t understand my point. Rehash or not, you’ve got to make good villains, which are severely lacking in TFA. Hux/Ren is obviously a Tarkin/Vader rehash for kids (Harry Potter/Hunger Games generation), and a lame rehash, which does not work. Like the plot is an OT rehash, and a lame rehash. Hux reminds me of the villain in Die Hard 4. Hux actor also sucks in his part (powerful speech ? Seriously guys…).

Snoke is a pretty decent evil menace, I thought. Hux is a decent fanatical military officer (not like Tarkin at all) and I’m not sure Kylo is even a villain. He does evil things, but I think there’s enough depth to his character that we might see a change of heart.

Yep I hear you about Snoke, but so far he’s just a Palpatine-bis who basically gives the key of his army to Ren (a still not fully trained and reliable dark side force user) and Hux (a 30 yo kid who does not seem to really know what he’s doing except that he’s driven by a fierce hatred towards the New Republic for reasons we never get to know… or is he just evil because he’s evil, like Palpatine ?) so he’s not that menacing for me, as part of the audience, to care about (or to feel something about that). Ok they destroy the New Republic Headquarters but since we never really know what’s at stake it does not really work (at least for me). In ANH when Tarkin destoys Alderaan we don’t know anything that important to care about this planet, but we care about Leia, Luke and Ben, so we care about Alderaan. If you add one or two scenes to know a few things about the Hosnian system (and I know they did shot scenes they deleted from the final cut), it could have worked. Or even show Leia leaving this planet a few minutes prior its destruction, in order to give a sense of urgency ? Sadly it’s something I need to guess when I watch the movie, not something that’s shown, not even something that’s told.