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Darth Id said:

Warbler said:

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

Bio Bahama! Yule beam mist!

I don’t believe you it’s another trick yada yada yada.

Oh wait, you’re one of those sane Republicans who understands almost anyone is better than Trump, even Obama.

Beak cuss oft rump, eye M alley Bert tear E-N.

Jed it: tie Poe!

I still can’t get “alley Bert tear E-N”.

“I’m a libertarian.”

Jesus, WTF am I doing???

Most Beal looser!

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must be a loser?

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I mean. I don’t wanna jump the gun because Buzzfeed (which is world renowned for its journalistic integrity) “broke the story” about the details (which probably means they’re not true) but it is very interesting to think that Russia has some shit on Trump.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Tyrphanax said:

I mean. I don’t wanna jump the gun because Buzzfeed (which is world renowned for its journalistic integrity) “broke the story” about the details (which probably means they’re not true) but it is very interesting to think that Russia has some shit on Trump.

I couldn’t imagine it being all that juicy. Remember, the RNC wanted Trump as much as anyone meaning that they didn’t want him either. If they would have had that good of dirt, they’d have put out into the wild. The RNC wasn’t protecting him like the DNC was protecting and shilling for Hillary.

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Great speech from Obama tonight.

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They may not have been even trying, as they were pretty sure he was simply going to self destruct for quite a while. And non digital skeletons in the closet take more time and legwork to exhume.

Where were you in '77?

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thejediknighthusezni said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

Jeebus said:

ferris209 said:

Jay said:

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Jay said:

ferris209 said:

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Warbler said:

12 days till doomsday.

Just curious, what exactly do you expect will happen when Trump is sworn in? “Doomsday” insinuates mass death, anarchy, lawlessness. I’m pretty sure it will be business as usual and everybody will go about their lives.

I expect a crazy bigoted, sexist, bully to take control of our government and our nukes.

Okay. Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited, bully but you’ve been pretty cool with him.

Ignoring Warb’s condemnation of Trump for a second…Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited bully? Really? That’s an accurate assessment of the man and his personality?

From my point of view, yes. Yes, very much.

I could go as far as smug and even conceited, but I’d be interested to know what actions of his demonstrate his craziness and hatefulness to you.

He has been very hateful of cops, from day one. All of his speech and rhetoric is hateful of cops. He is very hateful of conservatives, he’s proven this time and again. I personally think he is crazy just because of his radical allegiance to a failed ideology. Socialism doesn’t work, history has proven has much yet he and his keep wanting it.

Think of Socialism like a spectrum; on the far left is things like minimum wage, work hours, and the banning of child labor. On the far right is things like abolishing private ownership entirely. The things on the left have worked, and continue to work, the things on the right haven’t.

That really muddles things, imo. Reasonable regulation of the market does not fall under “socialism”.

Socialism is the means of production of goods and services being placed under the control of the political authorities in the name of “The People”. Economic Fascism, nationalist and globalist, is the political authorities exercising control through nominally “private” owners mixed with outright state ownership. It is, in fact, a thoroughly leftist socialist totalitarian sort of system. Hitler and Mussolini were sincere and accurate in identifying themselves as socialists.

Thing is, there are TWO political spectrums, the Ideological(horizontal) and the Actual(vertical).

The purpose of politics is to actually bring a people to optimum conditions and actually protect them from the tyranny of men. This means that ‘The Human Optimum’ belongs at the top and totalitarianism at the bottom of the Actual spectrum.

Complete socialism(Communism) is on the left and oligarchy of private interests who control the politics for themselves belongs on the right of the ideological spectrum.

At the center of both spectrums are the people who want to find their way to The Optimum. In the U.S. context, these are American conservatives and independents with conservative values.

Imagine a sheer cliff with many people trying to climb across the face in various directions.

                          THE HUMAN OPTIMUM

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Ideologically, the conservatives want to go up, the lefties WANT to go down, and private oligarchies want to go off to more of that.

I left out Anarcho-Capitalists(Libertarians) and revolutionary Anarcho-socialists(what Bolshevism was supposed to be.)

Anarcho-socialists believe that everyone should leap off the cliff and swan-dive into the shark infested sea of totalitarianism pretending to believe the theory that they will somehow come shooting back out and rise to a preposterous version of the optimum that will have no private property and everyone equal in every way.

There are TWO forms of Libertarianism, Theoretical and Imposable. Theoretical is an intellectual exercise to determine the outer limits of what is possible. Like engineers do to prototype aircraft, it’s a hypothetical Destruction Test. I count myself very much a Libertarian in that sense.

Imposable kook Libertarians are ideologues who insist it’s all ready for prime time. They believe we should leap away from the cliff upwards to an optimum that cannot be sustained having inadequate social and legal containment. It will inevitably arc over and plunge into the brutish totalitarian sea.

This is why the “Progressive” media has promoted Ayn Rand to serve as an ‘Immanuella Goldstein’ for a controlled opposition. Like Goldstein, she was an excellent analyst of the Left. In the process, she drew everyone into Cultural Marxism and societal destruction from libertine savagery and drugs together with indefensibility of the nation and society topping it off with disrepute from the championing of rampant Private Oligarchy.

I write this as someone who has read the unabridged version of ATLAS SHRUGGED and LIKED IT!

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thejediknighthusezni said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

Jeebus said:

ferris209 said:

Jay said:

ferris209 said:

Jay said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

12 days till doomsday.

Just curious, what exactly do you expect will happen when Trump is sworn in? “Doomsday” insinuates mass death, anarchy, lawlessness. I’m pretty sure it will be business as usual and everybody will go about their lives.

I expect a crazy bigoted, sexist, bully to take control of our government and our nukes.

Okay. Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited, bully but you’ve been pretty cool with him.

Ignoring Warb’s condemnation of Trump for a second…Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited bully? Really? That’s an accurate assessment of the man and his personality?

From my point of view, yes. Yes, very much.

I could go as far as smug and even conceited, but I’d be interested to know what actions of his demonstrate his craziness and hatefulness to you.

He has been very hateful of cops, from day one. All of his speech and rhetoric is hateful of cops. He is very hateful of conservatives, he’s proven this time and again. I personally think he is crazy just because of his radical allegiance to a failed ideology. Socialism doesn’t work, history has proven has much yet he and his keep wanting it.

Think of Socialism like a spectrum; on the far left is things like minimum wage, work hours, and the banning of child labor. On the far right is things like abolishing private ownership entirely. The things on the left have worked, and continue to work, the things on the right haven’t.

That really muddles things, imo. Reasonable regulation of the market does not fall under “socialism”.

Socialism is the means of production of goods and services being placed under the control of the political authorities in the name of “The People”. Economic Fascism, nationalist and globalist, is the political authorities exercising control through nominally “private” owners mixed with outright state ownership. It is, in fact, a thoroughly leftist socialist totalitarian sort of system. Hitler and Mussolini were sincere and accurate in identifying themselves as socialists.

Thing is, there are TWO political spectrums, the Ideological(horizontal) and the Actual(vertical).

The purpose of politics is to actually bring a people to optimum conditions and actually protect them from the tyranny of men. This means that ‘The Human Optimum’ belongs at the top and totalitarianism at the bottom of the Actual spectrum.

Complete socialism(Communism) is on the left and oligarchy of private interests who control the politics for themselves belongs on the right of the ideological spectrum.

At the center of both spectrums are the people who want to find their way to The Optimum. In the U.S. context, these are American conservatives and independents with conservative values.

Imagine a sheer cliff with many people trying to climb across the face in various directions.

                          THE HUMAN OPTIMUM

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Ideologically, the conservatives want to go up, the lefties WANT to go down, and private oligarchies want to go off to more of that.

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Great speech from Obama tonight.

i agree

The crowd was annoying and I felt as if they weren’t really listening, which was disheartening, but Obama’s one of our best presidents when it comes to public speaking, right up there with JFK and Reagan, which is probably why he decided to have a crowd in the first place. So he does well on his delivery, but Eisenhower on the other hand was not that great a public speaker, yet his message still resonates today. So, on the content, how does Obama’s speech fare? It addresses a lot of what was predicted, and was very respectful overall (Obama’s always been pretty respectful to the opposition, when some people were upset in 2004 about W. Bush getting a second term he said a lot of the same things about getting involved in politics and I quote “Get over it. Go to the movies, go to the park, go on a date - get some perspective. Losing an election is not a tragedy. Tragedies are my mom getting cancer at 53 and dying in six months.” Okay, so maybe a little more respectful than that.). It went over all he’s accomplished, and called for us to pay closer attention to one another. I don’t think there were any new revelations made here, in regards to bubbles and everyone has problems and we need to accept everyone etc., but it was very well delivered. Obama’s thanks to Michelle and Biden was very touching and surprisingly personal, he was very visibly tearing up. It was an interesting experience, not bad but not the greatest Farewell Address I’ve heard.

It was prettay, prettay, prettay good.

It was nice to hear a heartfelt, moral message not overcome in division or partisanship spoken by the president in this very partisan, divisive time.

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Handman said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Great speech from Obama tonight.

i agree

The crowd was annoying and I felt as if they weren’t really listening, which was disheartening, but Obama’s one of our best presidents when it comes to public speaking, right up there with JFK and Reagan, which is probably why he decided to have a crowd in the first place. So he does well on his delivery, but Eisenhower on the other hand was not that great a public speaker, yet his message still resonates today. So, on the content, how does Obama’s speech fare? It addresses a lot of what was predicted, and was very respectful overall (Obama’s always been pretty respectful to the opposition, when some people were upset in 2004 about W. Bush getting a second term he said a lot of the same things about getting involved in politics and I quote “Get over it. Go to the movies, go to the park, go on a date - get some perspective. Losing an election is not a tragedy. Tragedies are my mom getting cancer at 53 and dying in six months.” Okay, so maybe a little more respectful than that.). It went over all he’s accomplished, and called for us to pay closer attention to one another. I don’t think there were any new revelations made here, in regards to bubbles and everyone has problems and we need to accept everyone etc., but it was very well delivered. Obama’s thanks to Michelle and Biden was very touching and surprisingly personal, he was very visibly tearing up. It was an interesting experience, not bad but not the greatest Farewell Address I’ve heard.

It was prettay, prettay, prettay good.

It was nice to hear a heartfelt, moral message not overcome in division or partisanship spoken by the president in this very partisan, divisive time.

Definitely agree with you here. His speech was refreshing and pure in a way.

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Well, I guess that classified documents aren’t supposed to get leaked, are they ? That being said, I’ve read some parts of it and it seems to be a huge bs. As if Russia was planing 5 years ago that Trump would be the US president…

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MalàStrana said:

Well, I guess that classified documents aren’t supposed to get leaked, are they ? That being said, I’ve read some parts of it and it seems to be a huge bs. As if Russia was planing 5 years ago that Trump would be the US president…

This isn’t supposed to show that Russia planned for him to win the Precidency, just that Russia (supposedly) has a lot of dirt on Trump and he owes them a lot of money, which would make people concerned that he can be controlled by them.

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