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From what I just read police do not believe it was racially motivated, despite appearances, so I assume it’s being classified as a hate crime based on disability rather than race.

13 days till doomsday.

TV’s Frink said:

From what I just read police do not believe it was racially motivated, despite appearances, so I assume it’s being classified as a hate crime based on disability rather than race.

How in the hell can’t it be racially motivated??? This has was 4 black guys beating a white guy shouting “f*** white people”.

12 days till doomsday.

Jay said:

Jeebus said:

Jeebus said:

Jeebus said:

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/227116738-story

I hope this is some of that “fake news” that everyone’s always talking about.

Nope, seems to be real.

http://nypost.com/2017/01/04/special-needs-man-tortured-while-attackers-stream-it-on-facebook/

Is this a hate crime?

The first news story I read on this (can’t remember the site) clearly stated in the opening paragraph that the perpetrators were black and the victim was white. I went back to the same site later that day and they’d edited it to remove the races of those involved.

I lean toward the liberal end of the spectrum and I still think this is clearly an anti-white guy crime, especially given the anti-Trump rants of the perpetrators. I don’t know what the legal requirements are for a hate crime, though — do people need to be a member of a minority or protected group in order to be victims of a hate crime, or is only the intent of expressing hate toward a particular group required? I also suspect that if this were 4 white people hammering on a black guy and screaming anti-Obama nonsense, it would be classified as a hate crime and the races of those involved would be displayed prominently in all news stories (except Fox News, maybe).

JEDIT: Frink got in right before I did.

Those rare moments when I find myself in complete agreement with a liberal. Hate is hate, regardless of the origin.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

From what I just read police do not believe it was racially motivated, despite appearances, so I assume it’s being classified as a hate crime based on disability rather than race.

How in the hell can’t it be racially motivated??? This has was 4 black guys beating a white guy shouting “f*** white people”.

Exactly. I don’t get how it couldn’t be racially motivated, though I’m very sensitive to prejudice against those with disabilities and would find myself condemning those morons no less if that were the motivation instead.

TV’s Frink said:

If only we could get a picture of him slobbering like Boss Mass.

Warbler said:

12 days till doomsday.

Just curious, what exactly do you expect to happen when Trump is sworn in? “Doomsday” insinuates mass death, anarchy, criminals running rampant, people dying in the streets, lawlessness. I’m pretty sure it will be business as usual and everybody will go about their lives.

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

12 days till doomsday.

Just curious, what exactly do you expect will happen when Trump is sworn in? “Doomsday” insinuates mass death, anarchy, lawlessness. I’m pretty sure it will be business as usual and everybody will go about their lives.

I expect a crazy bigoted, sexist, bully to take control of our government and our nukes.

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

12 days till doomsday.

Just curious, what exactly do you expect will happen when Trump is sworn in? “Doomsday” insinuates mass death, anarchy, lawlessness. I’m pretty sure it will be business as usual and everybody will go about their lives.

I expect a crazy bigoted, sexist, bully to take control of our government and our nukes.

Okay. Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited, bully but you’ve been pretty cool with him.

Jay said:

I don’t know what the legal requirements are for a hate crime, though — do people need to be a member of a minority or protected group in order to be victims of a hate crime, or is only the intent of expressing hate toward a particular group required?

I’ve read up on this in the past, it is the latter.

Handman said:

Jay said:

I don’t know what the legal requirements are for a hate crime, though — do people need to be a member of a minority or protected group in order to be victims of a hate crime, or is only the intent of expressing hate toward a particular group required?

I’ve read up on this in the past, it is the latter.

I’ll provide my knowledge as a cop, yes, you’re right. It is the latter. But don’t expect “hate crimes” to actually apply accordingly, uniformly, or in a manner that makes sense. I was chastised back in 2006 for filing a case as a hate crime. Apparently, beating a white person while calling them a “cracker”, a “gringo”, and a “honky” isn’t a hate crime if the victim is white and the assailants are Latinos. And I’m speaking as a half white, half Mexican guy. I really honestly hate the idea of “hate crimes”, it purports to punish people of racist motivations, when in fact it does not in many circumstances depending on the race of the assailant. Plus, you have to really prove the actual basis of the attacker as racist, which is much harder than you could imagine in a court of law. Even these highly racist idiots beating a poor mentally deficient white guy while saying extremely racist crap, you watch their trials and see what I am talking about. Therefor, “hate crimes”, should include all crimes since most all crimes are based on hate of some sort, whether it be hate of gender, class, wealth, race, etc. etc. So, “hate crimes” in itself shouldn’t exist unless it includes all crimes.

But excuse me for thinking. I’m just a cop who has spent a decade and half on the streets actually dealing with people, crimes, criminals, victims, etc. etc. What do I know. My experience means nothing.

Jay said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

12 days till doomsday.

Just curious, what exactly do you expect will happen when Trump is sworn in? “Doomsday” insinuates mass death, anarchy, lawlessness. I’m pretty sure it will be business as usual and everybody will go about their lives.

I expect a crazy bigoted, sexist, bully to take control of our government and our nukes.

Okay. Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited, bully but you’ve been pretty cool with him.

Ignoring Warb’s condemnation of Trump for a second…Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited bully? Really? That’s an accurate assessment of the man and his personality?

From my point of view, yes. Yes, very much.

“Anakin, Donald Trump is evil!”

“From my point of view Obama is evil!”

“Well then you are lost!”

In a politically correct society he simply does not qualify for hate crime protection … as it seems to be defined anyways. Bad enough he was partially disabled.

Jay said:

ferris209 said:

Jay said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

ferris209 said:

Warbler said:

12 days till doomsday.

Just curious, what exactly do you expect will happen when Trump is sworn in? “Doomsday” insinuates mass death, anarchy, lawlessness. I’m pretty sure it will be business as usual and everybody will go about their lives.

I expect a crazy bigoted, sexist, bully to take control of our government and our nukes.

Okay. Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited, bully but you’ve been pretty cool with him.

Ignoring Warb’s condemnation of Trump for a second…Obama is a crazy, hateful, conceited bully? Really? That’s an accurate assessment of the man and his personality?

From my point of view, yes. Yes, very much.

I could go as far as smug and even conceited, but I’d be interested to know what actions of his demonstrate his craziness and hatefulness to you.

He has been very hateful of cops, from day one. All of his speech and rhetoric is hateful of cops. He is very hateful of conservatives, he’s proven this time and again. I personally think he is crazy just because of his radical allegiance to a failed ideology. Socialism doesn’t work, history has proven has much yet he and his keep wanting it.

Of course, most of this is merely my opinion, which addresses my main point. That being that it is merely an opinion, which some, or even many, may not share. Trump is as much the “apocalypse” as Obama was. It all depends on your philosophy. I felt very threatened under Obama, and the figures seem to confirm my fears since attacks on the Police have increased under him and my health costs have skyrocketed.

I feel far safer under a President Trump than I ever would under Obama. But again, it’s just my opinion based on my experiences and what I’ve seen.

Jay said:

I could go as far as smug and even conceited, but I’d be interested to know what actions of his demonstrate his craziness and hatefulness to you.

I agree with Jay here. Obama does seem smug, condescending, and arrogant, but he’s certainly not crazy and I can’t imagine who he could be construed as being hateful towards. He’s certainly done a lot of bad or neglectful things during his presidency, but these seem like unfair accusations to me.

Trump on the other hand is pretty much all of the bad things people say about him. While he will unfortunately have the ability to screw all of us over in so many ways (some people much more than others), thankfully his powers are limited.

Obama is a normal politician. Either you agree with him or you don’t but he’s a politician.

Trump is something else entirely and to equate Obama and Trump is to be blinded by your hate for the former while ignoring the reality of the latter.

Trump is also a 70 year old baby.

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