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darthrush said:

HansiG said:

darthrush said:
-New city celebrations/new song (SE)

Add the new song, but please don’t add the cities. It’s so out of place and makes no sense.

I like the cities cause it gives the victory more scope and it can explained by means of the holonet. I will keep this in mind, in case I get more complaints. Then I will reconsider it. Thanks for the suggestion 😃

I think (as long as Naboo is not in there, I hate that prequel planet), the cities are fine. George originally envisioned Coruscant celebration for the ending, but cut it for budget reasons.

That aside, I’m loving this edit! It is basically exactly what I would look for in a ROTJ edit. Very interested.

I think, if executed well (which it seems it will be) this will be my go-to version of ROTJ.

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YodaFan67 said:

darthrush said:

HansiG said:

darthrush said:
-New city celebrations/new song (SE)

Add the new song, but please don’t add the cities. It’s so out of place and makes no sense.

I like the cities cause it gives the victory more scope and it can explained by means of the holonet. I will keep this in mind, in case I get more complaints. Then I will reconsider it. Thanks for the suggestion 😃

I think (as long as Naboo is not in there, I hate that prequel planet), the cities are fine. George originally envisioned Coruscant celebration for the ending, but cut it for budget reasons.

I tried this out (cutting Naboo), and it seems pretty nice. I feel the edit is a little bit too noticable but I might be a bit too picky 😉 Below is a preview of the city celebrations without Naboo. Thoughts on how well the edit is executed would be much appreciated.

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darthrush said:

YodaFan67 said:

darthrush said:

HansiG said:

darthrush said:
-New city celebrations/new song (SE)

Add the new song, but please don’t add the cities. It’s so out of place and makes no sense.

I like the cities cause it gives the victory more scope and it can explained by means of the holonet. I will keep this in mind, in case I get more complaints. Then I will reconsider it. Thanks for the suggestion 😃

I think (as long as Naboo is not in there, I hate that prequel planet), the cities are fine. George originally envisioned Coruscant celebration for the ending, but cut it for budget reasons.

I tried this out (cutting Naboo), and it seems pretty nice. I feel the edit is a little bit too noticable but I might be a bit too picky 😉 Below is a preview of the city celebrations without Naboo. Thoughts on how well the edit is executed would be much appreciated.

Password: rotj

https://vimeo.com/197669421

It looks good to me.

Do they not see the birds controlled in the atmosphere of the sky? none holds them up except Allah. Indeed in that are signs for a people who believe. – Quran (16:79)

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YodaFan67 said:

darthrush said:

YodaFan67 said:

darthrush said:

HansiG said:

darthrush said:
-New city celebrations/new song (SE)

Add the new song, but please don’t add the cities. It’s so out of place and makes no sense.

I like the cities cause it gives the victory more scope and it can explained by means of the holonet. I will keep this in mind, in case I get more complaints. Then I will reconsider it. Thanks for the suggestion 😃

I think (as long as Naboo is not in there, I hate that prequel planet), the cities are fine. George originally envisioned Coruscant celebration for the ending, but cut it for budget reasons.

I tried this out (cutting Naboo), and it seems pretty nice. I feel the edit is a little bit too noticable but I might be a bit too picky 😉 Below is a preview of the city celebrations without Naboo. Thoughts on how well the edit is executed would be much appreciated.

Password: rotj

https://vimeo.com/197669421

It looks good to me.

Awesome, it now will be apart of the edit.

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Looks good, maybe try a longer audio crossfade?

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KumoNin said:

Looks good, maybe try a longer audio crossfade?

If I do the crossfade any longer then it becomes even worse because it mashes up the two beats even more for a longer period of time so it becomes more noticeable.

But all in all, I think it’s fine. Since the music is percussion and we’re changing cities, it feels natural for the beat to slightly change. I also showed it to my brother and he said he thought it sounded like it hadn’t even been edited.

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Been reading through your changes and a lot a pretty good.

On a side note would you be releasing a version with the ewok celebration, for those that prefer it?

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Watched your ending celebration edit on vimeo and have some feedback for you. The audio editing was pretty abrupt to my ears. I’d recommend trying to use the soundtrack and start the music later with a fade in. You’ll need to produce your own crowd noise effects, but it will sound better. Also, I thought I saw part of another scene as the wipe transition happened.

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DigMod said:

Watched your ending celebration edit on vimeo and have some feedback for you. The audio editing was pretty abrupt to my ears. I’d recommend trying to use the soundtrack and start the music later with a fade in. You’ll need to produce your own crowd noise effects, but it will sound better. Also, I thought I saw part of another scene as the wipe transition happened.

Thank you for the advice! I don’t know if I’m skilled enough to produce my own crowd noise but perhaps I could just remove the “wesa free” line with Q2’s edit. He already granted me permission to utilize his edit. Have you seen his version of the ending celebration with the “wesa free” audio removed. It sounds pretty good to me.

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I’ve just finished your edit and many of your cuts are seamless, especially when Lando and Wedge destroying the reactor was intercut with the Death Star preparing to fire and it was funny watching the ewoks be useless seeing the Empire just massacre them. There was one rough transition, which was the trimmed shot of Lando lowering his mask which suddenly cut to the exterior of Jabba’s Palace. This could be fixed by showing Chewie be led to his then cut to the outside of the Palace. Also since you cut LApti Nek it does create a plot hole for later when Threepio tries to warn Luke, even though he didn’t witness Jabba’s servant fall down the pit. So you could either somehow include the servant be killed after the Harmonica Turtle’s song, remove Threepio’s warning to Luke or unfortunately reinstate Lapti Nek.

Since this is Version 1.0 of the edit, I’ll suggest some further changes for Version 2.0:

  • Remove Boush’s subtitle “I want fifty thousand. No less.” Since Threepio translates it straight after. Similar to how Q2 had done it.
  • Trim Luke and Han’s dialogue scene on the skiff so it ends on Han saying “you’re going to die here, you know”
  • Remove Han saying “3PO, tell that slimey piece of worm ridden filth” because it is strange for Han to say that, so instead he says “He’ll get no pleasure from us.”
  • Remove the burp from the Sarlacc
  • During the shuttle scene where the clearance codes are being transmitted, you can remove some of Han’s dialogue “It’ll work… it’ll work”, “Now don’t get jittery Luke…” and “I told you it was going to work…”, So it focuses on Luke and Vader sensing each other. It can edited like:
    Han: Transmission commencing
    Leia: Now we’ll find out if that code is worth the price we’ve paid
    Luke: Vader’s on the ship
    CUT to Vader question Piett
    Luke: I’m endangering the mission, I shouldn’t have come.
    Then the scene could play out as normal minus Han’s “I told you it was going to work, no problem.”
  • Trim everyone just standing around the meat, so it could be like Chewie goes straight for it.
  • Remove Leia’s “I know. Somehow I’ve always known” because her being speechless is a better reaction
  • When Threepio calls out to the stormtroopers, remove the imperial officer saying “bring those two over here” since they only saw Threepio.
  • When the death star first fires remove Lando saying “That blast came from the Death Star. That thing’s operational” since its unnecessary.
  • Finally, you can release a separate version with the Yub Nub ending instead of the Victory Celebration ending.
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K everyone, this is how I will decide on changes for Version 2.0:

On the first post of the thread I will add two new sections. “Confirmed changes for Version 2.0” and “Pending changes”.

For example, If I am testing out a change which I like but might or might not work, then it will go under “pending changes”. And if I know a change will work and I like the suggestion, I will put it under “confirmed changes”. And by the way, any changes on the confirmed list can still be removed if enough people disagree with the change.

Everyone please send in all feedback! All suggested changes will be combined from both this forum and my thread over at fanedit.org. I will respond to each suggestion and try to hopefully finetune this into a better edit than it was before.

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Palindromic Gas said:

I’ve just finished your edit and many of your cuts are seamless, especially when Lando and Wedge destroying the reactor was intercut with the Death Star preparing to fire and it was funny watching the ewoks be useless seeing the Empire just massacre them. There was one rough transition, which was the trimmed shot of Lando lowering his mask which suddenly cut to the exterior of Jabba’s Palace. This could be fixed by showing Chewie be led to his then cut to the outside of the Palace. Also since you cut LApti Nek it does create a plot hole for later when Threepio tries to warn Luke, even though he didn’t witness Jabba’s servant fall down the pit. So you could either somehow include the servant be killed after the Harmonica Turtle’s song, remove Threepio’s warning to Luke or unfortunately reinstate Lapti Nek.

All good suggestions. I’ll see what I can do with these two things.

Since this is Version 1.0 of the edit, I’ll suggest some further changes for Version 2.0:

  • Remove Boush’s subtitle “I want fifty thousand. No less.” Since Threepio translates it straight after. Similar to how Q2 had done it.

This will now be implemented in Version 2.0.

  • Trim Luke and Han’s dialogue scene on the skiff so it ends on Han saying “you’re going to die here, you know”

As long as there is no objection, I also like this idea for Version 2.0.

  • Remove Han saying “3PO, tell that slimey piece of worm ridden filth” because it is strange for Han to say that, so instead he says “He’ll get no pleasure from us.”

I’ll keep this as a pending change. I personally am fine with Hans dialogue there but am willing to cut it if more people also don’t like this line.

  • Remove the burp from the Sarlacc

If you mean the burp after Boba dies then I can see if this works. I’ll add it to my pending changes.

  • During the shuttle scene where the clearance codes are being transmitted, you can remove some of Han’s dialogue “It’ll work… it’ll work”, “Now don’t get jittery Luke…” and “I told you it was going to work…”, So it focuses on Luke and Vader sensing each other. It can edited like:
    Han: Transmission commencing
    Leia: Now we’ll find out if that code is worth the price we’ve paid
    Luke: Vader’s on the ship
    CUT to Vader question Piett
    Luke: I’m endangering the mission, I shouldn’t have come.
    Then the scene could play out as normal minus Han’s “I told you it was going to work, no problem.”

I actually played with this scene and did cut one of Hans lines but the other ones I felt were too hard to remove without abrupt audio cuts. I’ll give this a try again.

  • Trim everyone just standing around the meat, so it could be like Chewie goes straight for it.

I’ll test this out. Sounds like a good idea to me.

  • Remove Leia’s “I know. Somehow I’ve always known” because her being speechless is a better reaction

This one is tough because I actually really like this line. It kind of calls back to her feeling Luke’s cry for help at the end of Empire Strikes Back. It’s just the kiss that makes that awkward but I’m fine with the line. I’d like to see if more people want this change. If so, then I will implement it.

  • When Threepio calls out to the stormtroopers, remove the imperial officer saying “bring those two over here” since they only saw Threepio.

Good call. This will be implemented in Version 2.0.

  • When the death star first fires remove Lando saying “That blast came from the Death Star. That thing’s operational” since its unnecessary.

I’m fine with it. His delivery is really charismatic and I have never had a problem with it but if more people want this gone, then I will cut it.

  • Finally, you can release a separate version with the Yub Nub ending instead of the Victory Celebration ending.

This will be done for Version 2.0 also.

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After re-watching the ending of version 1.0, I think I’d like to remove one change I made. I added the death star preparing to fire but the laser dematerializing once they start hitting the reactor but after watching it a few times, a couple clear issues remain:

-When it dematerializes, I have to reverse the video of the laser revving up. In that shot, the Death Star is moving towards Endor. So when I cut to it dematerializing, the Death Star is moving back the opposite direction.
-And after watching this sequence again and again, I realize that the flow of it just doesn’t work with the laser inserted. It revvs up and is given far too much time to fire before Lando and Wedge blow the reactor.

Taking this issues into account, I feel it best to revert to the original sequence of Lando and Wedge destroying the reactor which I feel is just as awesome in the original cut.

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darthrush said:

Taking this issues into account, I feel it best to revert to the original sequence of Lando and Wedge destroying the reactor which I feel is just as awesome in the original cut.

Sounds good. It’s a cool idea but probably not worth creating plot holes for.

In other news:
I have to cast my vote with the people who support keeping the “somehow I’ve always known” line.

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FULL REVIEW:

I just watched the edit. I love the original trilogy, including ROTJ. I think it has some of the best moments in the saga. However, the movie is make weaker than the others by some key “distractions”, when the movie should be about the Rebels winning and Luke and his father. These distractions are:

-Jedi Rocks/Lapti Nek/dumb stuff in Jabba’s palace
-Han’s jealousy of Leia, which makes him seem immature and lame.
-And Ewok silliness in the final battle.

Your edit takes care of the all three perfectly. I like the Ewoks, and I like how they’re cute. But when (in the battle) they somehow take out armoured stormtroopers, it kinda kills suspension of disbelief.

The edits you made in the Endor ground battle scenes are basically perfection. It’s completely believable. Han and Leia get trapped in the bunker, C3PO and the Ewoks realize this and get help. They arrive as a distraction when the rebels are brought outside with their hands up. The Imperials go after them, and get a nasty suprise from the Ewok’s bow&arrows. From there on out, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and the rebels fight the fight and get their job done. The Ewoks do their part and run around and distract the empire. They try to fight but their sticks and stones just can’t beat the imperials. Finally, Chewie breaks into an AT-AT, does some real damage, Han and Leia get into the base, and the rest is history.

Great job! Except for the standard cleanup editors always do in v2.0, I don’t think anything should be changed regarding the Endor ground battle.

Regarding the rest of the film that I haven’t mentioned, I could really care less. There are a couple lines you cut out I think could have been left in. There are also 1 or 2 lines that I think would have been better left out. But others would probably disagree, and in the end it doesn’t really matter. Good luck with whatever cleanup you do in v.2.0

What really matters are the “3 pillars of weakness in ROTJ” that I went over above. You’ve taken care of all three.

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YodaFan67 said:

FULL REVIEW:

I just watched the edit. I love the original trilogy, including ROTJ. I think it has some of the best moments in the saga. However, the movie is make weaker than the others by some key “distractions”, when the movie should be about the Rebels winning and Luke and his father. These distractions are:

-Jedi Rocks/Lapti Nek/dumb stuff in Jabba’s palace
-Han’s jealousy of Leia, which makes him seem immature and lame.
-And Ewok silliness in the final battle.

Your edit takes care of the all three perfectly. I like the Ewoks, and I like how they’re cute. But when (in the battle) they somehow take out armoured stormtroopers, it kinda kills suspension of disbelief.

The edits you made in the Endor ground battle scenes are basically perfection. It’s completely believable. Han and Leia get trapped in the bunker, C3PO and the Ewoks realize this and get help. They arrive as a distraction when the rebels are brought outside with their hands up. The Imperials go after them, and get a nasty suprise from the Ewok’s bow&arrows. From there on out, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, and the rebels fight the fight and get their job done. The Ewoks do their part and run around and distract the empire. They try to fight but their sticks and stones just can’t beat the imperials. Finally, Chewie breaks into an AT-AT, does some real damage, Han and Leia get into the base, and the rest is history.

Great job! Except for the standard cleanup editors always do in v2.0, I don’t think anything should be changed regarding the Endor ground battle.

Regarding the rest of the film that I haven’t mentioned, I could really care less. There are a couple lines you cut out I think could have been left in. There are also 1 or 2 lines that I think would have been better left out. But others would probably disagree, and in the end it doesn’t really matter. Good luck with whatever cleanup you do in v.2.0

What really matters are the “3 pillars of weakness in ROTJ” that I went over above. You’ve taken care of all three.

Thank you so much of the praise YodaFan! You’ll be happy to hear that absolutely nothing so far will be changed in the ground battle on Endor. Once 2.0 is completed, the process of getting this onto fanedit.org and myspleen.

Again, thank you everyone for all the thoughts, compliments and suggestions 😃

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I still haven’t gotten a chance to watch the whole thing, I’ve only skipped around. From what I’ve seen, you’ve done some nice work! Good job.
One thing I noticed:
The subtitles for “I will not give up my favorite decoration” and “I like Captain Solo where he is” look different than the others. To me it looks like Ziggy’s edit was used there for some reason. Was that intentional?

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Depheros said:

I still haven’t gotten a chance to watch the whole thing, I’ve only skipped around. From what I’ve seen, you’ve done some nice work! Good job.
One thing I noticed:
The subtitles for “I will not give up my favorite decoration” and “I like Captain Solo where he is” look different than the others. To me it looks like Ziggy’s edit was used there for some reason. Was that intentional?

Yes. It leads into the droid torture sequence where I lovingly borrowed audio from his edit to remove the screaming of a droid. And since he also removed one of the 3PO’s lines I wanted gone, it was convenient to use it there. And I was aware of the subtitle differences but the differences are BARELY noticeable.

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I just had the chance to watch and just wanted to let you know that I thought you did a fantastic job. I did make a few notes I wanted to share with you while I watched it. I know you have already done your version 2.0 so I apologize if you have already changed any of this.

• Someone may have pointed this out, but when Bib Fortuna speaks to Leia in disguise, you can faintly hear the clicks of the thermal detonator when she responds to him even. I would suggest trying to use a different line if there is one that is possibly cleaner. Otherwise, I would just not have her say anything. I know you have your version 2.0 pretty solidified, this would be the only thing I would really like you to consider looking at if you haven’t already.

• Also, I would also vote to cut that whole reveal shot of Lando if possible. Even though you cut out him slowly pulling his mask down, he still awkwardly bumps his helmet against the ceiling. And I think when Lando reaches out for Leia when Luke falls into the pit is a little more subtle reveal.

• For the ghost Obi-Wan scene, although I’m not really a fan of using prequel music in the OT, I think that track is a good choice for that moment.

• With the scene of Luke revealing the truth to Leia, was there a reason you decided to remove Han coming onto the bridge? You could cut the jealousy out to just make it seems like he’s just concerned and is comforting her. I’m guessing the audio cuts might be noticeable when cut that way. I don’t think not having it makes a big difference though.

• Wonderful job with the battle! I think you’ve really simplified the battle and really got rid of the campiness of the Ewoks. The Ewoks definitely just seem like a distraction now. I didn’t notice any audio issues either so well done.

• I think since you’re keeping force ghost Anakin, having him disappear works really well. Would you say that Luke just burns his suit to memorialize him, or to destroy the last piece of Vader maybe, rather than actually burning a body?

• I think one of my favorite things you’ve done is the “he’s my brother” scene. What once was surprise/relief now comes off as surprise/joy, like he’s really happy for them that they’re brother and sister, since they both have no family left.

Anyway, just wanted to say great job and point those few things out to you. Sorry if this feedback is a little late or redudant. I appreciate all of the work you put into this.

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I just had the chance to watch and just wanted to let you know that I thought you did a fantastic job. I did make a few notes I wanted to share with you while I watched it. I know you have already done your version 2.0 so I apologize if you have already changed any of this.

Thank you for all the praise!

• Someone may have pointed this out, but when Bib Fortuna speaks to Leia in disguise, you can faintly hear the clicks of the thermal detonator when she responds to him even. I would suggest trying to use a different line if there is one that is possibly cleaner. Otherwise, I would just not have her say anything. I know you have your version 2.0 pretty solidified, this would be the only thing I would really like you to consider looking at if you haven’t already.

This hasn’t been mentioned before. Could you be a little more specific?

• Also, I would also vote to cut that whole reveal shot of Lando if possible. Even though you cut out him slowly pulling his mask down, he still awkwardly bumps his helmet against the ceiling. And I think when Lando reaches out for Leia when Luke falls into the pit is a little more subtle reveal.

You’ll be happy to know that the Lando mask shot is completely gone in Version 2.0 😃

• For the ghost Obi-Wan scene, although I’m not really a fan of using prequel music in the OT, I think that track is a good choice for that moment.

Thank you! And the nice thing is, if you watch Hal9000’s prequel edits, the music I used for that scene is from a scene that Hal removed so the music never repeats itself.

• With the scene of Luke revealing the truth to Leia, was there a reason you decided to remove Han coming onto the bridge? You could cut the jealousy out to just make it seems like he’s just concerned and is comforting her. I’m guessing the audio cuts might be noticeable when cut that way. I don’t think not having it makes a big difference though.

Your correct about the rough audio cuts. Both Ziggy and Yads tried this for they’re edits and the audio cut is way too jarring.

• Wonderful job with the battle! I think you’ve really simplified the battle and really got rid of the campiness of the Ewoks. The Ewoks definitely just seem like a distraction now. I didn’t notice any audio issues either so well done.

Thank you again! I was surprised myself with how well the audio cuts worked in the entire third act.

• I think since you’re keeping force ghost Anakin, having him disappear works really well. Would you say that Luke just burns his suit to memorialize him, or to destroy the last piece of Vader maybe, rather than actually burning a body?

That’s what I have always implied since I did this change.

Anyway, just wanted to say great job and point those few things out to you. Sorry if this feedback is a little late or redudant. I appreciate all of the work you put into this.

Thank you so much! Version 2.0 will be far superior. I have my FULL cut list for the final version updated in the first post.

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