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With today’s tech, I’m sure AOTC and ROTS could be easily upscaled to 4k, and if anything, they’ll benefit (albeit ever-so-slightly) from HDR. Although, I’d rather them put more attention into releasing a proper version of TPM without hideous amounts of DNR. It’s almost as bad as the Predator Blu-ray.

Call me crazy, but you’d think that one of the most popular movie franchises of all time would have been given solid home video transfers, but nope! You know things are f**ked when ROTS is the only presentable Star Wars film on Blu-ray (at least until TFA was released).

Shameful.

“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017

MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Why is the head of story group even engaging in this? Seems like he has a lust for attention.

Or was tasked with obfuscating the situation until and official announcement, at Celebration perhaps.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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Hidalgo is not the head of the story group, just the one with the biggest social media presence.

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If you read his twitter page, one of his rules is “don’t ask about the future”. You wouldn’t get an answer out of him regarding the OUT’s release even if you asked him about it the day before the announcement.

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Blu-ray has not been too kind to catalog titles in general. It almost seems the more popular the movie, the greater the chance something will be messed with. It should come as no surprise new releases like TFA come out unscathed.

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Haarspalter said:

Darth Cracker said:

Seems every time there’s an anniversary we all get our hopes up and then… (insert Vader-esque “Nooooooooooo!!!” here)

We should create a [Crushed OUT Hopes Memorial Thread]. Imagine the discussions about the OUT in 60 years: “You know what, STAR WARS’ 100th anniversary is coming up. Oh well, since McDonalds bought Disney after the Third World War we should get our hopes high that we will finally get the OUT.”

Thread already exists:

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-wars-40th-anniversary/id/51223/page/2

I still have dubs on the 50th, 100th is still available.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Wazzles said:

Tobar said:

I still get comment notifications from this three year old article where salty “fans” still go to whine about Disney and how they’ve ruined Star Wars.

Just because they don’t like what’s happening doesn’t mean they’re not fans.

They go farther than fan, they’re zealots.

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Fang Zei said:

nickyd47 said:

doubleofive said:

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/817634108419371008

Pablo admits that 2 & 3 are stuck at 1080p

It’s been public knowledge for a while now that episodes two and three were finished at 1080p

Two and Three were definitely shot in 1080p. But I’ve always been curious - especially since these movies are framed at the scope ratio of 2.35:1 - whether they were finished at 1080p or true 2k.

According to the wiki page for episodes 2 and 3, they were both shot on the HDW-F900 which means just plain old 1080p

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Shot, yes, but that doesn’t mean they were finished at that res - movies shot on the Alexa, which is 3.4K, are also often being finished in 4K.

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Harmy said:

Shot, yes, but that doesn’t mean they were finished at that res - movies shot on the Alexa, which is 3.4K, are also often being finished in 4K.

Didn’t know that films can be finished at a higher res then what they were shot at. I learned something new tonight. I am now just a tad bit less of a layman in regards to film :p

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It’s usually done when there some higher res footage in the mix - for example The Revenant was mostly shot on standard Arri Alexa at 3.4K but some parts were shot on the Alexa 65 at 6.5K, so the film was finished at 4K with the 3K parts upscaled and the 6K downscaled.

But it would actually make sense that the last two prequels would be finished as 2K (2048x858), because that’s the digital cinema projection standard. And with the amount of green-screen used, there were many shots, where the live-action footage would be scaled down inside the frame when put into an extended digital environment. Not to mention the many many shots, which were purely CGI, so if they did finish the movies at 2K, there could be a lot of shots, which would be true 2K resolution and not just upscales.

As for 4K, there are many movies being released on UHD BD, which had a 2K DI, so they are 100% upscaled from 2K, but they still can look better than regular BD, because of HDR grading. Plus, if they were so inclined, they could probably re-render the CGI bits at 4K.

Plus, up until about a year ago, even movies shot on 35mm had their digital effects rendered at 2K, which means that not only the fully CGI scenes, but any live action containing even a little bit of digital tinkering, are stuck at 2K, so for example the LOTR trilogy is in the exact same boat as far as 4K, as the Star Wars prequels.

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Harmy said:
Plus, up until about a year ago, even movies shot on 35mm had their digital effects rendered at 2K, which means that not only the fully CGI scenes, but any live action containing even a little bit of digital tinkering, are stuck at 2K, so for example the LOTR trilogy is in the exact same boat as far as 4K, as the Star Wars prequels.

For those little bits of digital tinkering in films shot in 35mm, I imagine it would be possible to recomposite the lower-resolution digital effects onto the original footage? Of course, that involves quite a bit of work, tracking down all the source elements and making sure it looks good. I imagine not all source elements have survived to this day, for some reason we aren’t very good at archiving everything. That’s where LucasFilm seems to do alright with, they have pretty much everything available in their vaults, but they don’t necessarily take the best care of it either.

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People who have worked for Lucasfilm or know about them with authority, like Robert A Harris, say that there is no need to worry about sources. Star Wars is an unavailable film, but it isn’t a lost film. To be fair though, all of the misunderstandings about the original trilogy being destroyed was basically started by Lucasfilm.

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By the way what happened to the bluray boxset of IV-V-VI (unaltered, of course…)-VII that was supposed to be released last december ? Some people here were very adamant about that…

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MalàStrana said:

By the way what happened to the bluray boxset of IV-V-VI (unaltered, of course…)-VII that was supposed to be released last december ? Some people here were very adamant about that…

The rumor was that a 3D box set was gonna come out and people speculated that it was gonna be the 3D versions of George’s Star wars saga but it turned out to be TFA collector’s edition. So, that rumor was half right. I mean, I and others heard this rumor before there was ANY indication of a 3D Star wars Blu ray in the works.

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nickyd47 said:

MalàStrana said:

By the way what happened to the bluray boxset of IV-V-VI (unaltered, of course…)-VII that was supposed to be released last december ? Some people here were very adamant about that…

The rumor was that a 3D box set was gonna come out and people speculated that it was gonna be the 3D versions of George’s Star wars saga but it turned out to be TFA collector’s edition. So, that rumor was half right. I mean, I and others heard this rumor before there was ANY indication of a 3D Star wars Blu ray in the works.

MONTHS in advance, I would like to add

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But it was well known that TFA-3D was scheduled for christmas 2016, in order to make more money with people buying the 2D version AND the 3D version a few months later (Disney has such respect for SW fans, we all know that…). Some people here went crazy about “It would make so much sense to release a boxset of 4-5-6-7, it’s got to be that”. Yep, we’ve all seen that… And also the “Disney gave 4 billions to GL so now they are going to release the OOT, they didn’t use his script for 7-8-9 it’s a proof they don’t care about him !, it’s going to be for 2015… well, 2016… well, 2017… well… etc”.

(some just forgot that 2017 is as much SW 40th anniversary as it is SW SE 20th anniversary…)

Disney just made 2 very bad SW movies in a row, I don’t consider them to be the Guardians of the SW Temple I have wished for. They are business man, that’s all. Bad movies, no OOT, nothing of value added to the SW canon (even things removed and then recycled… badly recycled, see Thrawn in Rebels), bad tvseries, etc. Well done Disney, you’ve done worst than GL himself and it only took 2 years !

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I wouldn’t say it was well known that said release was going to happen but I would say that it was a very predictable one.

Yeah, people like to speculate these things. I do it for fun and I’m sure most of the people on threads like these do it for the same reason. I don’t really get my hopes up for an OUT but I get a kick out of speculating how possible it is at certain times. The current gossip is that Star Wars needed more work done to it hence why the OUT hasn’t been released yet. Is there any validity to this claim? No, but it’s fun to humor the idea.

The Force Awakens was alright, I didn’t think it was that bad. I wouldn’t call it great but I would call it an average film. I haven’t seen Rogue One so I can’t comment on it. As for the TV series, I’ve heard from friends that it’s decent but I personally have no interest watching Rebels

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nickyd47 said:

As for the TV series, I’ve heard from friends that it’s decent

It’s only decent when it uses Vader, Tarkin or Ahsoka Tano. Original characters of the show are completey failed. And it looks cheap compared to TCW.

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MalàStrana said:
2 very bad SW movies in a row

Wut.

Dude, we just got over the damn prequels. That was a low point for Star Wars. Anything new is good. You might not have liked TFA or RO, but I for one think they were pretty damn good and a great way for Disney to start to correct the sins of the prequels.

Anyone dismissing TFA doesn’t understand the tightrope Disney had to walk to try to please both old and new fans. I think they did a great job.

To seal the deal, they need to release an original unaltered theatrical set of the trilogy. It might not sell like hotcakes, but damn if it won’t cement a hardcore fan base.

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doubleofive said:

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/817634108419371008

Pablo admits that 2 & 3 are stuck at 1080p

Well we already know that, because the camera that was used was a Sony CineAlta HDW-F900. But who knows how much a good upscaling algorithm with a given amount of processing power can get out of that? I’m sure that combined with less DVNR, a UHD release will be justified.
Someone mentioned that Resident Evil was also filmed at 2k and gets a 4k release. I’m curious to see how it will compare to the old Blu-Ray release.

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Plus, if they were so inclined, they could probably re-render the CGI bits at 4K.

That would be nice, but I doubt it. I think I remember seeing a documentation where ILM explained that they had to recover CGI elements from Episode I for II or III and they said that it was a big mess, too many file versions and they couldn’t find the right ones. Let’s hope they were more careful with the Episode II and III elements…

Darth Id on ‘Why “Ben”?’:

And while we’re at it, we need to figure out why they kept calling Mark Hamill’s character “Luke Skywalker,” since it’s my subjective opinion that his name is actually Schnarzle Shnuzzle.  It just doesn’t make sense!

Damn you George Lucas for never explaining why they all keep calling Schnarzle “Luke”!

Damn You!!!