Who were the guys in the gray and black vests with the fireman helemts??

Im obviously referring to what we have always referred to as “rebel soldiers.” In ANH, at the beginning, they defend the stormtrooper assault. If they were “known” rebel soldiers, then Vaders interrogation of Leia wouldve been a moot point. SO that leads me to think perhaps they were Alderaanian soldiers/guards or whatever. Perhaps a personal entourage to Leia? But yet, we see many of that type of uniform at the end ceremony of ANH and a few in R1. If that was the preferred uniform of the rebels, then Leia rebutting Vaders claim at the beginning of ANH was pretty silly, seeing as that there were dead rebel troops laying about and others being taken into custody. Or were they another group that were actually rebel sympathizers while at the same time pretending allegiance to the Empire??
Shit, I meant to put this in the random thought thread. My bad! 😦

If that was the preferred uniform of the rebels, then Leia rebutting Vaders claim at the beginning of ANH was pretty silly, seeing as that there were dead rebel troops laying about and others being taken into custody.

It doesn’t matter if they’re wearing a rebel uniform or not. The fact that they defended themselves against the stormtroopers at all makes them rebels. If Leia wasn’t lying, they would have let the Imperials board peacefully. Her lie was obvious to everyone there. It was done, like the rebel soldiers defending, to buy time for the plans to escape.

You want canon answers? Here’s your canon answers:
[Warning, filled with what appear to be Episogue One spoilers.]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tantive_IV

They were the crew of Bail Organa’s ship.
Rebel sympathizers? Perhaps. Prolly just loyal to Organa/Alderaan.
Don’t you watch GAme of Thrones, people???

DominicCobb said:

If that was the preferred uniform of the rebels, then Leia rebutting Vaders claim at the beginning of ANH was pretty silly, seeing as that there were dead rebel troops laying about and others being taken into custody.

It doesn’t matter if they’re wearing a rebel uniform or not. The fact that they defended themselves against the stormtroopers at all makes them rebels. If Leia wasn’t lying, they would have let the Imperials board peacefully. Her lie was obvious to everyone there. It was done, like the rebel soldiers defending, to buy time for the plans to escape.

Yeh, Kind of. Bu Leia was a member of the Imperial Senate and supposedly on a diplomatic mission. So, if that story was to have any credence, that means that she has been affiliated with the greay and black guys before, otherwise Vader wouldve brought that up in their discussion. The fact they defended against the troopers is a bit flawed as evidenced by R1. the Empire often times did shady stuff behind the scenes to get what they wanted and then covered it up, ie: “inform the senate all aboard were killed.” I think anyone boarded in a violent way by troopers, good or bad, wouldve defended themselves regardless if they were rebel sympathizers. Just a thought though. I have a lot of free time to let my mind wander at work and this thought just popped into my head.

ATMachine said:

The 1975 second draft refers to “Aquillian rangers” who protect the Rebel ship from the stormtroopers. Perhaps this was their official name at one point. (“Aquillian” comes from “Aquilae,” Leia’s home planet in the 1974 rough draft.)

If thats the case, then it seems all of the staff on hand for the closing ceremony in ANH were Alderaanians. I wonder where the rest of the rebel folks that were at the Yavin moon were? Working on the ships? Guard duty?

Tyrphanax said:

I’d call 'em Alderaanians. I figure the other ones in the Rebel medal ceremony were just other Alderaanians.

Hey, just like I call people from Naboo “Naboobians.”

BobaJett said:

DominicCobb said:

If that was the preferred uniform of the rebels, then Leia rebutting Vaders claim at the beginning of ANH was pretty silly, seeing as that there were dead rebel troops laying about and others being taken into custody.

It doesn’t matter if they’re wearing a rebel uniform or not. The fact that they defended themselves against the stormtroopers at all makes them rebels. If Leia wasn’t lying, they would have let the Imperials board peacefully. Her lie was obvious to everyone there. It was done, like the rebel soldiers defending, to buy time for the plans to escape.

Yeh, Kind of. Bu Leia was a member of the Imperial Senate and supposedly on a diplomatic mission. So, if that story was to have any credence, that means that she has been affiliated with the greay and black guys before, otherwise Vader wouldve brought that up in their discussion. The fact they defended against the troopers is a bit flawed as evidenced by R1. the Empire often times did shady stuff behind the scenes to get what they wanted and then covered it up, ie: “inform the senate all aboard were killed.” I think anyone boarded in a violent way by troopers, good or bad, wouldve defended themselves regardless if they were rebel sympathizers. Just a thought though. I have a lot of free time to let my mind wander at work and this thought just popped into my head.

There’s no reason an Imperial consular ship housing an Imperial senator would have its troops start shooting at boarding Imperials unless they were willing to out themselves as rebels. I doubt the stormtroopers would have started shooting everyone if they were greeted by a welcome party.

Leia’s always been lying through her teeth. She was just trying to bide her time and use the last trick in her book: diplomatic immunity.

Yep. And it’s safe to assume the star destroyer shot first.

I’ll be sticking with the radio dramas version of the preceding events.

And the imperials had to blow the door open! They were not really welcomed…

LexX said:

If you don’t remember, the movie starts with Star Destroyer chasing and shooting Tantive IV and then captures it, so I’m sure anyone who is inside isn’t waiting for a welcome party at the door, were they rebels or not.

No shit. But it’s the same situation. They were running away. And it’s not hard to imagine the Tantive shooting first. The Imperials had no reason to destroy the Tantive when their plan was to board it.

LexX said:

imperialscum said:

It is like trying to run away from cost guard when they try to inspect your boat.

You would too if you knew that they would kill you if they caught you. Lets not forget that the Empire knows that the plans are on board. There’s no way the crew would get away peacefully even if they handed the plans to Vader’s own hands.

No shit again but you’re clearing missing the point, which is that Leia was lying through her teeth.

The whole point of the discussion was “why would Leia lie through her teeth if the soldiers were wearing Rebel uniforms” to which the point I was making (which sorry if you weren’t paying any attention) was that there were a million reasons why she was obviously lying through her teeth besides the soldiers wearing rebel uniforms. So I really don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.

Jesus dude you have no handle on the direction of this conversation. Read the whole thread again if necessary.

I’ll try to explain as clearly and simply as I can: BobaJett was saying that he didn’t think that the soldiers could be wearing Rebel uniforms because if they were it would make Leia’s lie obvious. My whole point has only ever been that there are a number of reasons why that would be obvious, uniform or not. So basically, in regards to the question “are the gray and black vests” Rebel uniforms, my answer is that there’s no way to know for sure, because the outcome is the same either way.

LexX said:

DominicCobb said:

Jesus dude you have no handle on the direction of this conversation.

I do. I’m just not answering to every single post in this thread. I was replying those posts quoted and if you are not capable of understanding how the texts in them are related, I cannot help you to make it anymore clearer.

I’ll try to explain as clearly and simply as I can: BobaJett was saying that he didn’t think that the soldiers could be wearing Rebel uniforms because if they were it would make Leia’s lie obvious.

Obviously, haven’t said anything but.

My whole point has only ever been that there are a number of reasons why that would be obvious, uniform or not. So basically, in regards to the question “are the gray and black vests” Rebel uniforms, my answer is that there’s no way to know for sure, because the outcome is the same either way.

Obviously, and that’s exactly what I said in my previous post. Read again.

Oh and btw, Leia says “When they hear you’ve attacked a diplomatic…” -> it is pretty clear the Empire attacked if you still think that Tantive IV shot first (maybe they can make a Special Edition about that) or that there would be a chance to welcome them aboard. But that’s besides the point. Anyways, I won’t be wasting more time with this.

I don’t what the fuck is wrong with you man. I didn’t know people could be so thick.

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t what the fuck is wrong with you man. I didn’t know people could be so thick.

You should examine before you consent.

Grow up