When did Lord Haseo jump the shark? I mean his views on the movies were always bad, but I remember him at least being pleasant about it. Now every post is **** this and you’re an ass that. Try being more civil and don’t take it so personal when people have different taste than you.
Edit: well, I guess the post about wanting to see Vader kill Jedi shines a light on things. The dark side is strong in this one.
The reason that Lord Haseo called malastrana an ass is because malastrana keeps talking out of his ass! Why is it that people that rates Rogue One a 0 out of 10 is pampered on this lousy ass forum?!
It’s not called being pampered, it’s called being civil. We are allowed to agree/disagree, preferably explaining why we feel what we feel.
Being uncivil is resorting to childish acts like namecalling. We refrain from that here.
Calling someone an ass when they clearly were one isn’t childish, it’s warranted. Don’t bitch and whine when someone calls you out and have your mother change your diaper it’s beginning to stink around here.
No one’s asking for a warm bottle of milk, a burp and a cuddle. Even if Malastrana is a little excessive, you can call him out on his excessiveness, as Fink has done, but there’s no need to call him names.
And be careful, I don’t think you’re a bonefide troll but please read the rules before the ban hammer comes down.
Edit: ah looks like I spoke too soon.
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
Received The Art of Rogue One from my aunt last night. I’m leaving on a family vacation to Italy and France later today so I probably won’t get to really sit down with it until ten days from now, but I’m sure I’ll find some interesting stuff.
It’s a fan film: the story is pointless and filled with various elements that make no sense (a walker within the city ? Is it the best weapon for this kind of environnement ?) just because they want to put a “SW skin” on it. But on the other hand it’s technically well made; it costed quite a lot so this is the minimum we can expect. It’s a well made fan film if you want. The actors… let’s say they try their best, which is not enough since the screenwriter didn’t do his job to develop correctly the characters.
A walker doesn’t make sense in any context. If you are going to criticize what is actually logical and congruent with other movies taking place in the same era, you might as well be fair. Walkers are slow and unstable, and when you have hover technology and speedy engines, why would you rely on quadrupedal machines? Heck, the ancient wheel is a more logical means of mobility for large machines. What advantage do walkers have? They are visually interesting for movie-goers. We are watching a fictional movie, and a little fan-service that also happens to make perfect military sense (the artillery was called in from an external area when the destruction of the facility on Scarif outweighed preserving the schematics for all those secret projects). If you’re going to be a party-pooper, might as well take it to its logical conclusions and point out how dumb walkers are in the first place.
Couldn’t have said this better. It’s crazy how fanaticism can lead one to love something but hate it when the context is different. This is another reason why being anything more than a casual fan is a bad idea.
In retrospect, I really wish we got a Palpy cameo. We can afford take a break from the action to fly over to Mustafar and see what Vader’s up to in his Ralph McQuarrie Lava Castle, so seeing a brief scene of political exposition staring Monster Mash as ring leader of the senate would’ve elevated the film tremendously for me. Especially if he looked like the ROTJ emperor again.
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Palpatine is one cameo that I would have really disliked. Enough of his signature on every damn film. A one-dimensional character with no place in this tangent story. Same for a Hayden showing. Also super glad he wasn’t part of this. As an original fan, I’ve been bombarded with prequelisms for nearly twenty years. Glad they threw me a bone and let me enjoy the 1977 story again.
Palpatine is one cameo that I would have really disliked. Enough of his signature on every damn film. A one-dimensional character with no place in this tangent story. Same for a Hayden showing. Also super glad he wasn’t part of this. As an original fan, I’ve been bombarded with prequelisms for nearly twenty years. Glad they threw me a bone and let me enjoy the 1977 story again.
^Yeah, there were a few prequel influences here, but I’m glad they didn’t go overboard with it.
Here’s my thoughts on the overall stories of TFA and Rogue One.
TFA -
Acts 1 and 2: “Eh.”
Act 3: “Ugh, really?”
Cue leaving the theater uninterested
Rogue One -
Acts 1 and 2: “Eh.”
Act 3: “WOAH, DID YOU SEE THAT?! EXPLOSIONS, SHIPS FIRING, VADER CUTTING UP GUYS, EVERYONE DYING!”
Cue clapping when credits roll
Screw lightsabers, I’ll stick with regular swords. At least they won’t blow up in my face like this franchise has.
A true scholar.
Fink
You have to spend some time posting in off-topic before you’re allowed to call me that.
A true scholar.
Oh yeah, one of the finest.
Seriously though, Rogue One did have a lot of good stuff, but it could have fined some details with characters (developing them, having them somewhat stand out more than in the film, and having us remembering their names-I only remembered Jyn, Cassian, and K2SO) and plot in the first two act. There was some world-building here and there, but I thought maybe we should have seen actually the kyber crystals being dug up on Jedha. And while the characters did stand out in their own way and did have great scenes (you can’t deny Donnie Yen’s actions scenes were awesome), I wish they all had some interactions that made us understand their characters better (e.g. the relationship between Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen, understanding the Imperial defector, or see why Cas hesitated to shoot Galen Erso or why he decided to come back around to help Jyn for the final battle), and I would have liked to gotten others better screen time (i.e. Saw Gerrera, Jyn’s dad). For me, I thought Rogue One was almost trying to be a character-driven story (somewhat anyway), but it was as if the movie didn’t go further into the characters.
Now, that being said, my problems are more or less nitpicks that I can accept, and I found the film all the more satisfying when the third act brings its story together in a grand-scale and epic showdown. I loved seeing how everyone works together, and you can feel for the characters while they struggle to get the Death Star plans, all the way up until they die (which I kind of expected, thanks to a small comic on deviantart that spoiled it for me). There were the smaller details I enjoyed in there as much as the large battle (e.g. Hammerhead ship pushing the Star Destroyer in another, Rebels on the ground trying to contact the fleet), mainly because I’m a bit familiar with SW Rebels, and I found the entire third act to be excellent.
Another positive I liked about the film was its music score. TFA was lacking any noticeable music of its own (something akin to Binary Suns, Duel of the Fates, etc.). One piece of music that sticks out is the song that’s played when Jyn and Cassian are together on the beach and wait for their end (it’s played throughout the movie, I think).
The CGI (with Tarkin and Leia) for me was fine, and I even liked the original footage they used (though I might be more nitpicky when I see the film for a second time). And I might be one of the few who actually liked the PT stuff added in the film, specifically Mon Mothma and Bail Organa. They got the original actors from the PT to play out their roles here, and it was such a joy for me because they were so criminally underplayed in the PT.
Overall, I did enjoy this film, certainly more than TFA (The Fanservice Awakens), but my aforementioned nitpicks did stand out. I would like to give this film an A-, but given my problems, a B+ (87/88 percent) will do (better than TFA’s C+).
Screw lightsabers, I’ll stick with regular swords. At least they won’t blow up in my face like this franchise has.
Aw man, say what you will about the film, but TFA’s score is waaaay better than RO’s.
A true scholar.
Oh yeah, one of the finest.
Seriously though, Rogue One did have a lot of good stuff, but it could have fined some details with characters (developing them, having them somewhat stand out more than in the film, and having us remembering their names-I only remembered Jyn, Cassian, and K2SO) and plot in the first two act. There was some world-building here and there, but I thought maybe we should have seen actually the kyber crystals being dug up on Jedha. And while the characters did stand out in their own way and did have great scenes (you can’t deny Donnie Yen’s actions scenes were awesome), I wish they all had some interactions that made us understand their characters better (e.g. the relationship between Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen, understanding the Imperial defector, or see why Cas hesitated to shoot Galen Erso or why he decided to come back around to help Jyn for the final battle), and I would have liked to gotten others better screen time (i.e. Saw Gerrera, Jyn’s dad). For me, I thought Rogue One was almost trying to be a character-driven story (somewhat anyway), but it was as if the movie didn’t go further into the characters.
Now, that being said, my problems are more or less nitpicks that I can accept, and I found the film all the more satisfying when the third act brings its story together in a grand-scale and epic showdown. I loved seeing how everyone works together, and you can feel for the characters while they struggle to get the Death Star plans, all the way up until they die (which I kind of expected, thanks to a small comic on deviantart that spoiled it for me). There were the smaller details I enjoyed in there as much as the large battle (e.g. Hammerhead ship pushing the Star Destroyer in another, Rebels on the ground trying to contact the fleet), mainly because I’m a bit familiar with SW Rebels, and I found the entire third act to be excellent.
Another positive I liked about the film was its music score. TFA was lacking any noticeable music of its own (something akin to Binary Suns, Duel of the Fates, etc.). One piece of music that sticks out is the song that’s played when Jyn and Cassian are together on the beach and wait for their end (it’s played throughout the movie, I think).
The CGI (with Tarkin and Leia) for me was fine, and I even liked the original footage they used (though I might be more nitpicky when I see the film for a second time). And I might be one of the few who actually the PT stuff added in the film, specifically Mon Mothma and Bail Organa. They got the original actors from the PT to play out their roles here, and it was such a joy for me because they were so criminally underplayed in the PT.
Overall, I did enjoy this film, certainly more than TFA (The Fanservice Awakens), but my aforementioned nitpicks did stand out. I would like to give this film an A-, but given my problems, a B+ (87/88 percent) will do (better than TFA’s C+).
The track you say is called Your Father Would be Proud, and to me it stuck out as the most memorable as well.
Aw man, say what you will about the film, but TFA’s score is waaaay better than RO’s.
Really? When I watched it, TFA did have some interesting music, but it felt more like it was in the background to me. The only piece of music that did stand out for me was the music during the start of Rey vs Kylo Ren when the old SW77 music plays as Rey gets the Skywalker saber.
But who knows, I could be wrong. Maybe I should watch the film again. I might think differently.
Screw lightsabers, I’ll stick with regular swords. At least they won’t blow up in my face like this franchise has.
Personally I found it way to similar to other “emotional” tracks, especially the score from the opening scene of Star Trek. Still works well in the film, but not a standout for me.
I also thought that Rogue One’s score beat Force Awakens’s. More memorable/hummable going out of the cinema, at least for me.
I remember Rey’s Theme from TFA and that’s literally it. And I saw it maybe five times in theaters and listened through the soundtrack a few times. To be honest, I left the theater wondering if it had even been scored in the same way as the OT. Music felt much less like a part of the film for TFA (whereas it’s an essential part of the OT).
I remember a lot more of the music from Rogue One. I also listened to this podcast at the behest of Tobar and gained an even larger appreciation for it.
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This might be coloured by not having an equal basis of comparison, but for me, what I’ve found was:
I didn’t even notice there were themes in TFA until I picked up the soundtrack, but as I listened to it, the melodies became more apparent and I could recognize them.
For Rogue One I found I could at least recognize there was actually a soundtrack behind everything when I watched it, but I would be completely unable to actually recognize them.
If I got the R1 Soundtrack I might notice the individual themes a little better.
faceplam
Going to chime in and agree that the RO soundtrack topped TFA. I adore Williams but he hasn’t had a strong soundtrack since at least 2002.
Really? No love for March of the Resistance or Kylo’s theme? The music right after the crawl as the Destroyer flies into view and the little ships come out of it?
I don’t remember a single new theme from Rogue One at all.
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TFA’s soundtrack is ALL killer. Damn guys.
Rogue One is a very fun listen but just right off that bat I don’t even agree with the approach. It has too much the classic Star Wars sound, not enough the score you’d imagine from a gritty war film. Even just any old war film. Check out the eponymous track on the OST (which has a cool WWII, Kelly’s Heroes sort of sound), that’s the kind of sound the whole thing could have had.
One of the most egregious instances of this is his scoring of the Imperials. Their music in the OT was often over the top big bad villain type of stuff. And it worked beautifully, of course, because of the kind of movies. This is supposed to be more down to earth, though. The Imperial music should be scary. Honestly, I think Giacchino drops the ball right off the bat in the opening scene. It’s great music, sure, but there’s really not much sense of impending dread, which is exactly what the scene calls for. It’s too big, too much bombast. Worse, maybe, is the first scene of the Death Star. It’s got that fun, catchy Imperial March pastiche. But you know, it’s kind of even more over the top “BAD GUYS!” than even that was, again, in a film that should have more nuance. Yeah, the Imperials are big and showy. But we should be getting a different angle on that here. I guess this is also the fault of the film in general for writing pretty basic scenes for the bad guys.
I suppose a lot of the blame can be put on the film too. Jyn’s theme is solid, though it’s kind of a bargain bin Rey’s theme, in a way. It’s tough, of course, because Rey’s theme is a legitimate masterwork. Seriously, not only is it complex and memorable/hummable (whatever it is people seem to care about so much), it also fits the character perfectly. So I guess I can’t really blame Giacchino for Jyn’s hazy characterization. Her theme is still nice.
I really do like the Guardians of the Whills theme. Fits Chirrut (and Baze) very well. Obviously doesn’t get as much play in the score as Jyn’s, for instance, but it’s solid. I do think Krennic’s theme is also fairly fitting, and much better than the general Imperial theme. The other big theme is the Hope theme, which is pretty hit or miss. Sometimes it sounds almost cheesy, SW rip-off-ish, other times it kind of works.
It’s a good score overall but when I compare it to TFA, it’s just not close. As I said before, Rey’s theme is genius and probably better than anything Giacchino’s ever written (and I love the guy). March of the Resistance too is also fantastic and again probably better than any of the new RO themes (case in point, check out that eponymous track again, maybe my favorite on the OST - it’s basically a second rate March of the Resistance). Poe’s also got a truly soaring theme which gets a few under the radar plays, and Kylo’s got two themes which I just find perfectly fitting. And this is of course without even going into how well the score works with the film. It’s classic Star Wars, but’s it’s still got a new sound to it, for the new generation. There’s also aspects of the score like the action music which I think just owns. Compare “Follow Me/The Falcon” to “Jedha City Ambush” and you’ll hear the same sort of idea but with, in my mind, a clear difference in quality. I will say Giacchino’s got some awesome stuff pumping during the climax but still, Williams duels Rey and Kylo’s themes against each other for the climactic “Ways of the Force” - storytelling through music and it is fantastic.
Also, “The Jedi Steps.” And don’t even get me started on the use of old SW themes.
I remember a lot more of the music from Rogue One. I also listened to this podcast at the behest of Tobar and gained an even larger appreciation for it.
You know I’ve heard these are good. I’ll have to listen at some point.
There’s also one for TFA. I bet they love it.
http://www.rebelforceradio.com/shows/2015/12/30/star-wars-oxygen-vol-25-the-force-awakens-part-1
Seems like giving a review means injecting a heavy dose of criticism and submitting their entry for the ultimate snob trophy. But does anybody wanna break down in detail what they liked about the movie instead of writing volumes of what was wrong?
For me, that last 1/3 of the film really just hits the spot. We’ve become a high brow intellectual pontificating fanbase but one aspect that we have learned to forget after years of jaded film going experiences is the action of Star Wars. The action of Star Wars was spectacular in its day. Rogue One’s action scenes take a backseat to no Star Wars Film including any of the originals. The action of Rogue One is a storyline in itself. Its not a standard laundry list of action scenes that need to be stuffed in. It is a mini plot.
“Your Father Would be Proud” is absolutely BEAUTIFUL. Listening to it as I write this 😃
I agree that R1’s soundtrack beats TFA’s. Only good theme was Rey’s theme in TFA, whatever marches were way too prequelish for me and not even close to the OT. And even Williams admits its similarity to PT, IIRC in some interview.
I mean, R1’s soundtrack doesn’t stand that much out either but it’s much more consistent. It would have been way better if the guy had more than 4 weeks to score it. But at least it doesn’t sound prequelish.
And I don’t necessarily mean OTish = good, PTish = bad, but they are very different and these try to tie in with the OT, not the PT. PT has a few good themes too, but they don’t have the same feeling. Nevertheless, IMHO Williams just isn’t as good as he once was, and I don’t mean anything bad with it, that’s just the way it is. R1 with 1980’s Williams score would have kicked ass.
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