Hi again, first chance to chime in about Vader again despite the topic having kind of shifted from that. So if that’s an issue I apologize.
In regards to the Bespin duel in ESB, comparing that to Vader going apeshit isn’t really the same. There’s so much context to that duel, so much feeling, so much shifting motivations, how Vader just toys with Luke for awhile and then goes all out by the end that it’s not even a fair comparison.
That’s not the point of the comparison. The point of the comparison is to prove Vader can be brutish sometimes. You’re looking too deep into it.
My point was that it’s not the same. Glad I’m able to look too deep into things.
It’s always good to look deep but in the context of the conversation it’s no more complex than the fact that Vader gets down when he deems it necessary.
In the new one, he just goes apeshit to a level only seen in something like The Force Unleashed
Starkiller was turning people into ash and crushing AT-ST’s with the Force so no.
It still looked like a video game, and might as well have been as ridiculous.
To say that is to say that any Force Based action scene is like a video game. A claim that is kind of true but he hasn’t showcased anything in that scene that we haven’t seen. We’ve seen Luke use blast deflection so it’s obvious that a master of the lightsaber like Darth Vader would know how to use blast deflection as well. We’ve seen people be cut down by lightsabers in every film and have seen Vader do it to more than a few people. We have seen him Force choke, Force pull blasters away from people and while we didn’t see Vader Force push people in the OT (which is another thing that is missing in the OT) doesn’t mean we haven’t seen other Force Sensitives ragdoll people before. So exactly what is so off or video gamey about this? This seems pretty par for the course and generic on paper but the way the scene was shot is what gives the scene it’s umph. Also let’s not forget that the Rebels were dead as soon as Vader Force pulled their blasters away which is something he did relatively early into his slaughter.
and it’s the only time he pulls out a lightsaber for anyone not wielding the same, calling to question numerous times he could have done so in the original films.
Well, I’ve been calling this into question for years so this seems more like a personal problem.
It’s entirely a personal problem, it’s my opinion isn’t it? 😛
It is but I was speaking more about you not noticing or caring that Vader didn’t kill any Rebels with his lightsaber and Force Abilities in the OT.
In this way, the use of Tarkin was much more faithful to the character, he never does anything we wouldn’t expect him to. But Vader has changed from all the video games and the prequel films reframing his character since the OT that it somehow influenced how he is portrayed right before the events of the original film. It doesn’t mesh. Why would he be okay with sending in the troops onto the Tantive later on when he could just deal with them himself much more effectively? Why wouldn’t he use more effective means to torture the rebel commander on the ship, instead of accidentally kill him clumsily?
We should have gotten a scene like this in the OT. I don’t think Rogue One should be scolded for the OT’s mistakes. Also isn’t it a little more than implausible to assume Vader has never done something like this before?
I think DominicCobb said the same thing, but I wouldn’t call it an OT mistake and more Rogue One not doing enough to mesh with Vader’s portrayal there.
One film shouldn’t have to be contorted for leaps in logic or things being missing in the other one. Just like how the OT shouldn’t have been changed for the sake of the PT.
Anyway, most everything I had to say about it has already been said in the following posts. What did you think of those?
This is stuff I’ve all heard before the main point of contention is already being discussed in our chain of comments. That being how the temperaments of these two Vader’s are supposedly different.
In the end the movie would have worked just as well without Vader, and for me personally, it would have benefited from it.
It would have worked fine without Vader; it just works better with him as writing him out of the film at such a time would have been weird. Vader wouldn’t have that much to do given the Great Jedi Purge was complete in their eyes and having him MIA during such a pivotal time could seemed contrived. I suppose you could have built up that Vader was coming and right as he arrives the Rebels get the plans and escape about that would have been a massive tease. After TFA’s ending that would have been brutal.