Rogue Zero - What was changed, reshot, etc in Rogue One? — Page 4

Hi, I found these screenshots not in the movie of Vader, that I believe are not in any trailer also:

They were in this magazine type guide to the characters that I found in a WHSmith shop but never bought it.

The second, of Vader alone was featured by Entertainment weekly, but I am unsure of the former.

Tyrphanax said:

Vader looks really good at those angles. Better than I remember him from the movie.

Vader is made to be shot from below his shoulders. One thing Edwards got wrong.

Mithrandir said:

Tyrphanax said:

Vader looks really good at those angles. Better than I remember him from the movie.

Vader is made to be shot from below his shoulders. One thing Edwards got wrong.

Edwards is a very ‘shoot from the shoulders’ kind of guy, I think the Vader scenes may be reshoots with the new guy

I forget; did the “97.6% chance of failure,” line ever make the final cut? I can’t remember hearing it, now that I think about it.

I remember when the rumours first leaked, Lucasfilm told EW that the reshoots would focus on cockpit scenes, scenes of character interaction. I wonder if we can definitively say which of those were added.

So many changes…

For one, Jyn was definitely radically retooled. She’s been turned from the militant heroine who wants to “smash stormtroopers heads in” to the Casablanca-esque party, who wants nothing more to remain neutral and “ignore the Imperial flags above her.” This required entirely reshooting Saw, who originally discouraged Jyn (“What will you become?”) instead of persuading her to do the exact opposite- “Keep the dream alive.” If you ask me, her arc in the movie as-is is much more poignant.

Actually have heard from Screen Junkies and other sources that the Jyn vs TIE shot in the trailer was just created for promotional material, as others have said. In any case, that’s how LFL wants to spin it, regardless if it’s true or not.

The bulk of the changes in the climax appear to be paring it down, so they don’t need to run across the beach (largely shown in promos) to a separate building to upload the plans. Paring down was probably a direct result of reshoots expanding the space battle climax, so not to make the movie too long; as-is, Scarif battle lasts more than half an hour. Krennic/Jyn confrontation looks wobbly FX-wise, as if it was reshoots; that was probably freshly done, with dialogue altered or Krennic originally not being on top of the shield at all.

Also, agree that the Vader scene pictured above and seen in Trailer 1 was just the pre-reshoot permutation of what was ultimately shot on Mustafar, likely with a different Vader actor, judging by the fact that 2 are ultimately credited. Hopefully, it is included on the BD.

This article has interesting suggestions- http://www.slashfilm.com/early-rogue-one-scripts/

Lastly, anyone know where this shot would have come in?

No idea why Jyn is piloting alongside Cassian unless K2 is dead. Complete speculation, but could it be from an alternate happy ending that LFL claims was never shot?

Again, speculation but if Jyn was originally the very militant, angry troubled young woman; it’s possible that her scripted arc was for her to stop fighting, lest she become something horrible as Saw suggested, and consequently leave it to the heroes to save the galaxy. When Disney decided to go with a darker ending, her arc naturally had to be changed.

Anyone else agree?

Originally Jyn and Cassian left Yavin for Jedha by themselves and met up with K2 there.

Ah, gotcha. Rescind my comment about it being from a possible happy ending then.

Looking at that article to which I linked, the happy ending actually involved Jyn examining the plans in some cave-like atmosphere, having escaped Scarif in an X-Wing.

I have the Concept art book and it eludes to a different Version of the U-wing going to get Galen on Eadu. The U-wing has a green Laser distance sensor to avoid the cliffs and does not crash but lands stealthily and safely. The idea came from Gareth visiting area 51 and some sort of car spooking them. They thought it was a prankster as this car had some kind of green laser and was scanning and acting weird. But ultimately the idea was the U-wing would land in stealthy fashion and not crash in the original cut because of the green lasers scanning the cliffs.

Vader on Mustafa was always planned it was not added in Re-Shoot and was in the original cut of the film and an extended sequence. It might have been changed? but it was always meant to go to Mustafa and Vaders castle. Edwards eluded to how you shoot Vader and could have been making a poke about re-shoots because he explicitly said that “the camera has to be above Vaders Head” where as the camera was not in a lot of scenes so he’s pointing out the flaw perhaps.

The Happy Ending was Never shot.

The Tie Fighter rising up while Jyn is on the gantry is definitely not a marketing shot. It’s in the novel apparently so it was planned like that at one point. Krennic in front of the screen and stormtroopers in the water are Marketing shots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg

If you look at the trailer at 1.00 you can see that not only Jyn and Cassian are leaving for Jedha but x-wing pilots also are gearing up. So that would follow on to those fighters being marched through the streets in Jedha city were shot down they were from Yavin base. So there was a some sort of mission or attack launched from Yavin that obviously fails. This would include the female pilot Zal Diines probably biting the dust. The same actors running out of Yavin Base are the ones being marched through the streets.

Everybody (News Ariticles) keeps focusing on the ending of the film being altered which it was but not as significantly as the start of the film.

THE START OF THE FILM WAS THE MAJOR RE-SHOOT

timdiggerm said:

Jedha

• The Empire was going to be holding Rebel prisoners on Jedha, as shown by captured pilots.

Please alter to Attack launched from Yavin and failed + Jyn and Cassian arrested but saved by Chirrut & Baze.

It could have potentially been an attack on a mining facility? as there is concept art for the mining facilities and that would put them miles away from Jedha city and the need to go with the Pilgrims? Or Jyn and Cassian had a different objective to the Strike Force? But they never left on their own for Jedha in the original cut.

^ This gives away the opening of the original cut. Krennic goes to get Galen >>>> then Geonosis massacre (Saw and his rebels are Injured failing to stop the Extermination) OPENING TITLES>>>> Death Star moves to Scariff.Dish is fitted Galen send out a transmission to the Rebels. Rebels decide to go on a mission to try to halt the mining of the Kyber crystals and fail. Pretty much Resume the rest of the film with differences.

Or something like that or very similar.

Or Geonosis Massacre then Krennic goes to get Galen.

Seeing Shot’s of Jyn in a cell on Yavin leads me to believe of an alternate configuration to the film again speculation but the Jigsaw puzzle and connecting the dot’s a bit better.

This was at one time a possible configuration.

Opening Crawl
Death Star Dish is fitted (True opening to the film Wow Factor shot)
Krennic bumps in to Vader on the Star Destroyer with Tarkin “The power we are dealing with here is immeasurable”
(Yavin IV) Jyn in a cell (Flashback to Galen on Lahmu)
Cassian (Planet X) Ring of Kafene
Yavin IV Reveal as Cassian’s ship returns home
Jyn Marched out in Shackles
Received an Imperial Coded transmission Mon Mothmna Bail talk with Jyn a mission is Launched
Bail and Dodonna in the Hanger talk to a large group of Pilots
Jyn Cassian and a squad of x-wings go to Jedha. (Zal Dinnes)
Jyn’s Flash back to a younger version Saw (prior to Geonosis injuries) Not Coruscant or mention of Stardust
Bodhi Rook defects - Now when we see “Saw” in the present day we are shocked how much he has changed from when we have just seen him in Jyn’s flashback

This totally does away with the need for place names of the Planets and would be told in a traditional Star Wars style.

Now so far as the squad of x-wings going to Jedha goes I think it’s a small skirmish but more than likely a diversion so that Cassian and Jyn and K2-SO can land without being spotted and remain in secret. As how would the Rebel pilots be marched through the streets so It was a diversion and then a surrender possibly.

If you look at the new locations Featurette here you can clearly see Jyn and Cassian go with the pilgrims to Jedha city with the Jedha Camels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzY8Mi4G04g

There is also the ominous shot of the storm trooper on the cliff that spot’s something through his binoculars. So between the time Jyn and cassian make it to Jedha city the x-wing squadron or what is left of them have surrendered and are being carted off by the storm troopers. I also feel this is where the probe droid might feature a bit more heavily as it’s possible Jyn and Cassian were tracked by a probe droid on their trip to Jedha with the pilgrims after the Storm Trooper spot’s them.

This then would lead to an expanded version of being in Jedha city the minor theme of the Bounty hunter tracking Dr Evanzan and our introduction to the decraniated. Then the Tank battle ensues.

Jyn and Cassian are arrested (No K2-SO) Baze and chirrut free them but then Saws men capture them all.

Resume film with a few extra scenes of the Partisans fleeing the destruction on Jedha and expanded scenes in Saw’s Base.
Saw is disuasive to Jyn to carry on Fighting and recounts a story of a Demon and why he is in the poor state of Health he is in…Possibly delving into the Geonosis story that is if there is any truth to these rumors. Cue Flash Back to Geonosis and then BOOM!

Right I have some clarity on what was going on with these Rebel Pilots going to Jedha it’s not an attack and it’s not a diversion.

Seen in the IMAX trailer Dodonna and Bail talking and giving a briefing I think in an expanded version of the plot. The Rebel x-wing Pilots were to Land and inspect The defected Pilots deserted Transport (Very Dangerous!). Jyn and Cassian’s mission was to gather more intelligence From this point from another location a connection was made between finding out the identity of the pilot that had actually defected from the Empire was called Bodhi Rook this information was relayed to Jyn and Cassian by the x-wing pilots at the deserted transport. Also from intelligence via Cassian Bodhi Rooks sister was identified as living in Jedha city and the plan to go to Jedha City was then formed.

The x-wing pilots however whilst grounded get attacked and arrested at Bodhi Rooks deserted imperial transport.

Jyn and Cassian then set off for Jedha City with the Pilgrims and are in search of Bodhi Rooks Sister. So as to lead them to or find out the whereabouts of Bodhi Rook. Little do they know that Saw already has Bodhi Rook in his custody.

It’s very much something along these lines… It’s all about the mystery Pilot that has secret information. And finding out who he is and where he is. And the only link is his deserted transport on Jedha.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bodhi_Rook’s_sister

Don’t rule out this plot point simply being done over com’s chatter from the U-wing. We don’t need to see anything only that the pilots name was given over the Radio. We would have stayed with Jyn and Cassian.

Also if there was any doubt the Empire already had Bodhi Rooks sister in their custody. There was no chance of finding her at that point.

The tie fighter rising up as jyn limps is in the novel apparently Tobar so it must have been planned that way at some point. It also has got Gareth edwards trademark all over it of putting people in front of big effects shots.

I do not have the novel though but I read that it is in the book of the film.

The limp though tells us something about a potential missing moment more.

The only evidence we have and nobody is saying there is any truth to it comes from a french film maker check Tim diggers post.

But the fact that many of Saws partisans feature breathing apparatus of some kind as well as saw’some iron lungs back this story up as something happened to this lot during the purge on genesis. I would go as far to say it has more to do with a failing death star project and lack of galens skills whilst also the major stall being somone destroyed a huge Kyber crystal on Route to the prototype death star to make this thing work. Or at least test it in some way. I think it ties up there is more evidence for than against. We don’t know if it is true. But it falls in to the category as did unkar plutt get his arms ripped of by chewie. We now know it was the truth. This seems equally interesting but also questionable.

I think the line “we received an imperial encoded transmission” and “the message was sent by your father” are lies. If we trust cassian shooting that bloke on the ring of Kafene then those two lines work as deception of the truth that cassian was fed info then murdered the informant. It is a cover story for evil deeds

I also think Jyn is in shackles because they think she is possibly a traitor.

I feel this really explains the tone of those scenes.

I watch trailers (or at least don’t actively avoid them) but I also refuse to get hung up on what’s in them, both before and after I see the movie.

yep. every time i discuss this movie with friends i find myself bringing up the fact that i really hope they eventually release a full length documentary about the process of making this movie. it would be fascinating. something along the lines of the King Kong production diaries.