Hi again, first chance to chime in about Vader again despite the topic having kind of shifted from that. So if that’s an issue I apologize.
In regards to the Bespin duel in ESB, comparing that to Vader going apeshit isn’t really the same. There’s so much context to that duel, so much feeling, so much shifting motivations, how Vader just toys with Luke for awhile and then goes all out by the end that it’s not even a fair comparison.
That’s not the point of the comparison. The point of the comparison is to prove Vader can be brutish sometimes. You’re looking too deep into it.
In the new one, he just goes apeshit to a level only seen in something like The Force Unleashed
Starkiller was turning people into ash and crushing AT-ST’s with the Force so no.
and it’s the only time he pulls out a lightsaber for anyone not wielding the same, calling to question numerous times he could have done so in the original films.
Well, I’ve been calling this into question for years so this seems more like a personal problem.
The end of ESB shows Vader does have limitations, Luke was still incredibly inexperienced, why couldn’t Vader just lift him up at any point like he does the Rebels? Why does Vader suddenly seem so much more limitless in what he’s capable of doing with the Force in Rogue One and come across as sort of a putz in the original by comparison? His line in ESB, “Bring my shuttle”, shows just how much rage he was just trying to keep in after having his plans foiled. That’s not the same kind of guy who would just go apeshit to no-name rebels.
For one, Vader was facing against regular beings and not Force Sensitives. Secondly, he seemed just as imposing in ESB especially considering that Luke was a somewhat trained Force sensitive
In this way, the use of Tarkin was much more faithful to the character, he never does anything we wouldn’t expect him to. But Vader has changed from all the video games and the prequel films reframing his character since the OT that it somehow influenced how he is portrayed right before the events of the original film. It doesn’t mesh. Why would he be okay with sending in the troops onto the Tantive later on when he could just deal with them himself much more effectively? Why wouldn’t he use more effective means to torture the rebel commander on the ship, instead of accidentally kill him clumsily?
We should have gotten a scene like this in the OT. I don’t think Rogue One should be scolded for the OT’s mistakes. Also isn’t it a little more than implausible to assume Vader has never done something like this before?