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Just saw Rogue One for the second time and I really love this movie. By far the best SW since the originals. Not to say I disliked TFA, but come on, Starkiller base?

Anyway, Rogue One…

The story worked for me -

Dad works on Deathstar, girl is hidden, rebels find her, rebels use her to get to dad.
Girl finds out truth about dad which inspires her to fight again (after being left by Saw).
Jedha blows up. Guardians of the Whills join the squad.
Meanwhile, Cassian kills friend, for the cause, is ordered to kill dad, but doesn’t because dad was clearly up to something.
Rebels say the Scarif plan is too risky, Cassian and friends go anyway to make all their hard decisions worth it.
Everyone pays the ultimate sacrifice.

The few things that did irk me -

-Saw’s death, a badass extremist just giving up.
-I think they said “hope” too much. Probably just me.
-The Ponda Baba cameo, just the last stare… the bump and single line was enough.
-The C3PO and R2D2 cameo, out of place in a dramatic moment, should’ve just been a background shot of them getting on a shuttle.

The things that surprised me -

-CG Tarkin - I thought he looked great. Maybe the first scene with him you think “oh what? wait isnt he dead? oh yea, thats CG.” But being main to the story, he pops up more and you forget. He looks real. Didn’t bother me at all, but I loved seeing him. He had to be. He’s the Grand Moff.
-After Tarkin, CG Leia wasn’t so much of a surprise (the suprise was them ending on the Tantive IV), but she’s worth a mention, and again, I think she looked great.

The things I loved -

-K2’s Death. Fan-fuckin-tastic. I probably felt the most on his death than any other. He got the death Saw deserved. (But seeing as Saw’s character wasn’t built well/didnt get much screen time, it wouldn’t have been as heartfelt)
-The music as the Star Destroyer blocks the rebel escape - Man, that hits hard. Perfect, perfect, score.
-Darth Vader’s hallway. Nuff said.

Student of life.

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cybr1d said:
-I think they said “hope” too much. Probably just me.

You are not alone on that one. One line that emphasized “hope” would have been perfect but they chose to run it into the ground. Preferably I would keep the “Rebellions are built on hope” line and scrap CGI Leia and the “Hope” line by proxy and it’s be perfect.

-After Tarkin, CG Leia wasn’t so much of a surprise (the suprise was them ending on the Tantive IV), but she’s worth a mention, and again, I think she looked great.

You may be alone on this point though…actually I’d bet some PT fans would agree with you though.

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It probably helped that CG Leia only has one line.

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I actually said “Oh no” out loud before she actually said it. I think had this been like 5-10 years in the future it would have been seamless. CGI Tarkin was right near the peak of the uncanny valley but he couldn’t come down the other side.

Even though I think it was premature to pullout the use CGI to bring back old characters thing, it does set an interesting precedent as this will be utilized quite a bit in the future. Maybe we could get ST prequel movies instead of novels. I sure hope not.

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DominicCobb said:

Chirrut’s use of the Force was one of my favorite aspects. More characters like this and Maz please (and Leia I guess), who can feel the Force but aren’t Jedi.

But did Chirrut use The Force, or did The Force use Chirrut? It seemed the latter to me.

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cybr1d said:

-The music as the Star Destroyer blocks the rebel escape - Man, that hits hard. Perfect, perfect, score.

For me, the score was one of the weakest elements of the whole movie. A melodic motif that I thought I recognized from Star Wars would crop up, but then deviate. The result sounds like a cheap Star Wars imitation to my ears. Also I suspect the score is not fully orchestrated and uses some digital technology to create certain tracks.

Michael Giacchino is an accomplished film composer whose work I generally respect, but I think he just didn’t have enough time to create the score that this film deserved. Disney is really at fault here for rushing these movies into theaters when they’re not ready.

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Lord Haseo said:

cybr1d said:
-I think they said “hope” too much. Probably just me.

You are not alone on that one. One line that emphasized “hope” would have been perfect but they chose to run it into the ground. Preferably I would keep the “Rebellions are built on hope” line and scrap CGI Leia and the “Hope” line by proxy and it’s be perfect.

-After Tarkin, CG Leia wasn’t so much of a surprise (the suprise was them ending on the Tantive IV), but she’s worth a mention, and again, I think she looked great.

You may be alone on this point though…actually I’d bet some PT fans would agree with you though.

Nah he’s not alone.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Wait, Saw just gave up? What the heck was he supposed to do? Sprout wings and fly to the other side of the planet?

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Not 5 feet from them mind you; I mean like outside of his place.

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The ship Cassian and Jyn escaped in when Jedha was getting blown to shit.

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He wouldn’t have made it. Jyn and the gang barely made it, and they were all able-bodied.

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I liked Rogue One a lot, more so than TFA. Some random thoughts:
-Che Gueva… err, Saw Gerrera is called an extremist but doesn’t do anything worse than the rebels in the OT, or the Jedi in the PT. No, the tentacle monster doesn’t count.
-The comedy mostly worked.
-I don’t think the fanservice/nostalgia factor was as excesive as others suggested.
-I liked how Tarkin basically took the Death Star for himself.
-CGI Tarkin fooled me. Cartoon Leia did not.
-I could have done without Vader.
-“Don’t choke on your aspirations” is an objectively stupid line.
-Connects beautifully with ANH… only in a clinical B follows A manner. I will get into that when I can properly express it.
-As far as Edwards’ filmography goes, this is much better than Godzilla, but nowhere as interesting as Monsters.

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One quick observation… in each of the “reveals” of CGI recreations of prior characters, they snuck up on them gradually to build the suspense. For example, Leia’s back is to the camera for an extended period, and we’re thinking, “is it her? is it her?”. Then “tada!” it’s Leia! Or, “tada!” it’s Tarkin! Ordinarily, we aren’t introduced to characters in that way. Those might look increasingly clumsy over time.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

One quick observation… in each of the “reveals” of CGI recreations of prior characters, they snuck up on them gradually to build the suspense. For example, Leia’s back is to the camera for an extended period, and we’re thinking, “is it her? is it her?”. Then “tada!” it’s Leia! Or, “tada!” it’s Tarkin! Ordinarily, we aren’t introduced to characters in that way. Those might look increasingly clumsy over time.

This is a good point and likely increases the scrutiny given to the characters by people like us. Delaying it makes you look that much closer when the reveal happens.

If it was a more “natural” introduction, perhaps scrutiny would be less?

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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Just got back from my second viewing.

First off: neither showings I’ve been to (in 3D and 2D) have been remotely in focus. I could get used to it for a while, but whenever a subtitle would appear, I’d remember that the projector is out of focus and notice how “blurry” everything is. Every time I’ve tried to see a Star Wars film in theaters, something always goes wrong.

…another strange point - the LucasFilm logo and “A long time ago…” visuals appear much smaller than in TFA. It doesn’t make a lick of difference, but it’s just something that caught me upon both viewings.

Now to the main point…

It’s much better the second time around. You get a better feel for the style and the story, and nothing is as confusing as going in blind. I actually knew why each little thing was happening, and finally caught the final shot Tantive IV going into hyperspace. The first time I saw RO, I blinked and then the film was over! If you had any doubts after your first viewing, give it another shot. It’s worth it.

As stated by everyone else, Donnie Yen steals the show. He is the best part about this film, along with Alan Tudyk’s droid. The CG was also far superior than that in TFA – I actually mistook the Star Destroyer’s for actual models… and if no one had informed me of Tarkin’s CGI recreation, I wouldn’t have even thought twice. Great effort on ILM’s behalf.

My main question, after finally seeing the film twice is: did anyone catch a “Wilhelm scream” hidden in the sound mix?

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JawsTDS said:

My main question, after finally seeing the film twice is: did anyone catch a “Wilhelm scream” hidden in the sound mix?

Someone said it was when Jyn grabbed the troopers gun and he fell off the platform. I’ve seen it 3 times and never heard it.

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I heard it, but I don’t remember exactly where. I want to say it was muffled into when the Tie Fighter crashes into the base on Eadu.

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digitalfreaknyc said:

JawsTDS said:

My main question, after finally seeing the film twice is: did anyone catch a “Wilhelm scream” hidden in the sound mix?

Someone said it was when Jyn grabbed the troopers gun and he fell off the platform. I’ve seen it 3 times and never heard it.

The second time I saw it, I looked for it and BARELY noticed it. VERY subtle, but it’s there.

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Oh dear… Star Wars went full on Marvel-mode. Just saw it today.

Darth Vader is entirely misused here, everything he does is wrong. I felt like I was watching somebody’s fan film, which in a way I suppose I was.

Digital Peter Cushing is vaguely unsettling, bringing to mind questions reminiscent of Jurassic Park.

Callbacks to the original only work some of the time, but only get me excited for a film I’d much rather be watching.

The new characters are boring, only existing to serve the plot, but I suppose if they were developed any more then we might have actually felt something when they died, which is a big no-no for big blockbusters.

The planet names didn’t need on-screen text, they were distracting and I forgot the names anyway. It serves no purpose other than to be different from the other Star Wars films and more like the group of far inferior Marvel films.

The last 30 minutes are good, barring anything Darth Vader does. It gets you pumped to watch the original. It’s a shame that seems to be its end goal, rather than getting me pumped to rewatch this new one.

This is about on par with Return of the Jedi for me. I don’t understand how this could possibly be better than Force Awakens, I was much more invested in the characters of that film.

I’m glad to find I’m not alone in thinking Darth was misused here.

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Handman said:
I’m glad to find I’m not alone in thinking Darth was misused here.

I even think the Vader going wild is the worst scene including Vader in SW canon. In TMP/AOTC Anakin is not Vader, so no issue there. In ROTS, he becomes definitely Vader at the very end (after the “Noooo”), so there is only one true Vader scene: when he walks the Destroyer bridge to join the Emperor. I may add that when Vader/Anakin kills all the separatits it is close to the Vader Rogue One ending scene, but there is a huge difference: in ROTS, when he kills the separatists he has still good in him and knows there is something wrong (I particularly love the fact he doesn’t want R2 to witness his bloody actions), but he wipes out people we know (like Gunray and the other leaders we’ve seen in AOTC or sooner in the movie), which means we have an emotional connection to what’s going on here. In Rogue One, Vader comes when the story is finished (every single character of the story we’ve just seen in dead) and kills people we don’t know (random rebel soldiers). And this is so wrong at every level, because the scene is clearly made so the audience can cheer “oh damn Vader is so badass killing everyone”, which is sick, really sick. Rogue One is a drama movie and yet at the very end we are supposed to be entertained by a “fun” (?) slaughter, involving undevelopped and faceless characters ? This is the dumbest and sickest fan-service I have ever seen. It seems Gilroy shot the scene. This guy doesn’t get SW at all and the Vader character as well. A Jason Voorhees/Michael Myers scene to introduce Vader to the continuing plot is the summit of stupidity of this movie, which shows they don’t even know how to tell a story. When I give 0/10 to this movie it’s not to be provocative: I really mean it. I could give 1 or 2 for a few shots or a few ideas here and there but the overall movie is such an insult to Star Wars I can go higher than 0. Even AOTC is less insulting (which is amazing).

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Handman, I hated almost all of Vader’s scenes too. But I liked the last one, except it dragged on too long. If they had shortened the scene it would have been perfect.

This coming from someone who seems to see the film mostly the same way you do.

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Huh, I wouldn’t go so far as to say I hated it. I can’t even watch Attack of the Clones from start to finish, with Rogue One I was mostly just bored and winced at some of the callbacks and most of Vader. I wouldn’t say Vader going nuts is worth a 0/10, but I do think it’s severely out of character. A friend of mine said he was reminded of one of the video games featuring Vader, which goes to show what they were going for there. Video games, not the original character as seen in Star Wars and Empire.