The Original Trilogy restored from 35mm prints (a WIP) — Page 19

I’m curious as to how orangish the hallways are in the scene where the Falcon and crew first arrive in Cloud City. Could someone post a screenshot from the UK or German print? I remember seeing a screenshot comparison in a thread here between all the different releases of Empire. The Bluray has the scene mostly neutrally graded if I recall (walls are white), but one of the Laserdisc screenshots had a very warm orangish tint to that first scene when they walk down the hallway and C-3PO gets distracted. The orangish hallways seemed natural to me because of how warm the skies of Cloud City/Bespin are. Then I saw a clip on YouTube of the TN1 35mm Renegade Grindhouse of Empire and saw it was pretty orangish, but I’ve heard people have some problems with the grading on that version. Definitely looks like some of the Hoth scenes are too neutral and should be more bluish as poita demonstrated earlier in the thread.
So basically I want to confirm if the warmish grading was indeed intentional by the color timer of the film and it’s just another Bluray grading messup.

From what I’ve seen, the cloud city interiors in that scene are pretty warm. I think also, the TN1 print must have been very badly faded, otherwise they would have been able to use set photos, or just grade to natural skin tone and get something similar-ish to Poita’s scans. The snow and explosions in the Hoth battle could have been graded naturally as well. As is, they’re very purple, and the snow is almost entirely white and grey.
I was blown away by the grindhouse when I first saw it, but looking at it in the light of Poita’s scans and a few other references, it seems Empire was for the most part, a very naturally-timed film

AllAboutThatSpace said:

From what I’ve seen, the cloud city interiors in that scene are pretty warm. I think also, the TN1 print must have been very badly faded, otherwise they would have been able to use set photos, or just grade to natural skin tone and get something similar-ish to Poita’s scans. The snow and explosions in the Hoth battle could have been graded naturally as well. As is, they’re very purple, and the snow is almost entirely white and grey.
I was blown away by the grindhouse when I first saw it, but looking at it in the light of Poita’s scans and a few other references, it seems Empire was for the most part, a very naturally-timed film

Comments like this have me nearly peeing my pants to release to my one pass regrade of Grindhouse Empire. And I’ve seen Poita’s REEL 4… they are very close. I’ve added some shots in my regrade thread to show the answer.

After some fun in trying to download the file, I have finally had a chance to do a frame by frame comparison to the UK GOUT. Overall there are 322 missing frames and 420 extra frames. They are as follows (absolute fame number in video file of start of incident):
22 missing frames from the beginning
1 missing at frame 29669
10 missing with 9 filler at 30712 (reel change)
6 missing at 40079
13 missing and 1 filler at 59519 (reel change)
33 missing at 81164
10 missing at 81662
10 missing and 85 filler at 90873 (reel change)
177 missing at 112204
13 missing at 120268
13 missing and 83 filler at 121585 (reel change)
6 missing at 122873
8 missing and 169 filler at 150226 (reel change)
0 missing and 73 filler at 179731 (end of film)

Other things of note: End credits are different from GOUT. The stars don’t align with the text the same way and the roll of the credits doesn’t match (though they do end at the same time). Reel 3 doesn’t match. It is too orange compared to the others. Some of the missing frames are in the middle of the scene with the action almost matching so it is hard to see without comparing it to a complete version.

That completes my initial assessment. More to follow as I watch it a few more times.

Reels 2 and 4 have red splotches. Improved particularly when the falcon is being chased through the asteroids by the Tie fighters and between when Vader accepts Captain Neda’s,apology and when it cuts to Luke and Yoda. The fist Cloud City shots have dark blotches all across the screen. The red slotches return when Luke is leaving Dagobah. Reel 5 starts off with red splotches. The red splotches return when Chewy is in the cell and starts putting C-3PO tigether and continue. They don’t show up in the lighter scenes, but they do in the darker scenes. But overall, the colors in reel 5 are the best in the transfer. Perhaps a bit under saturated. Reel also has good colors, but all the reels except 5 are dark. Reel 6 also has some red splotches, but not as many.

I also observed that while reel 3 is still reddish, the overall colors and levels look better.

Throughout, the black levels change. Some scenes are darker and some are lighter. Most are consistent.

Slotches, splotches, and blotches, oh my.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35mm-feature-film-STAR-WARS-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-1980-theatrical-release-print-/152360440317?hash=item237963d1fd:g:GOAAAOSwcUBYViH1

this is on ebay right now not at a high price

Doesn’t this community have enough prints of this movie, already?

if you look at the pics on ebay it looks like the snow is white in all the snow shots idk those pics stuck out to me

Blackout said:

pathustler85 said:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35mm-feature-film-STAR-WARS-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-1980-theatrical-release-print-/152360440317?hash=item237963d1fd:g:GOAAAOSwcUBYViH1

this is on ebay right now not at a high price

I sent a message to the auctioneer asking him to request of the winner to create an account on this website and inform the community of his newly acquired print. I just got the reply back saying that he’ll gladly pass on the information.

Just a thought, but it might be a good idea to ask the community (or just Poita or Silverwook) before making a rather bold move like that.

While I can certainly understand collectors being skittish and extremely hesitant to come forward or share their prints, why would they be fundamentally against scanning them? I get not wanting to share the scan, but isn’t one of the major points of collecting to preserve said object? And isn’t scanning the print one of the best ways to preserve it, considering all film has a finite shelf life, no matter how well taken care of it might be?

Best to you and your family Poita, hopefully it’s a very short stay for your daughter 😦