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Lord Haseo said:

These non Star Wars fans are the worst…

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And you’re goddamn right I went there.

Do you really want to go somewhere else? We could also discuss how some people have incredibly poor taste in films, don’t understand anything about storytelling or filmmaking, and base their ratings of Star Wars movies on nothing more than how much **** can be crammed onto the screen that they’re familiar with from other films or novels for God knows what reason.

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Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

These non Star Wars fans are the worst…

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And you’re goddamn right I went there.

Do you really want to go somewhere else? We could also discuss how some people have incredibly poor taste in films, don’t understand anything about storytelling or filmmaking, and base their ratings of Star Wars movies on nothing more than how much **** can be crammed onto the screen that they’re familiar with from other films or novels for God knows what reason.

You don’t even understand the opening crawl of a film you claim to love. Fuck out of my face with that shit.

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Lord Haseo said:

Were the Rebels given the plans to the Death Star in or before that scene? If not then there was still more story to be told.

Well now we’re getting somewhere. You’re describing a story that moves mindlessly from event #1 to event #2 and so on, and we all get off on it because we already know those things happen because we saw some other movies years ago that we know and love. That’s not how stories are written, or at least not how good stories are written. Or interesting ones. You have things like characters, and they have goals and motivations.

Who was the main character in Rogue One? Jyn, right? What was her driving force? What motivated her throughout the entire movie?

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Lord Haseo said:

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

These non Star Wars fans are the worst…

EDIT:

And you’re goddamn right I went there.

Do you really want to go somewhere else? We could also discuss how some people have incredibly poor taste in films, don’t understand anything about storytelling or filmmaking, and base their ratings of Star Wars movies on nothing more than how much **** can be crammed onto the screen that they’re familiar with from other films or novels for God knows what reason.

You don’t even understand the opening crawl of a film you claim to love. Fuck out of my face with that shit.

You’re asking for a ban man. What I do understand are people who are so vain, so into themselves, that they enjoy watching movies where their entire gratification comes from subconsciously going “ah I knew that was going to happen” and “I remember that in some other film I liked years ago” and “that was in _____ EU book I read!” and the like.

There was a great quote in one of the reviews I read that said we, as a society, used to go to movies to wonder about the future (and the OT certainly fits that bill). Now we seem to be in love with reliving the past.

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Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

These non Star Wars fans are the worst…

EDIT:

And you’re goddamn right I went there.

Do you really want to go somewhere else? We could also discuss how some people have incredibly poor taste in films, don’t understand anything about storytelling or filmmaking, and base their ratings of Star Wars movies on nothing more than how much **** can be crammed onto the screen that they’re familiar with from other films or novels for God knows what reason.

You don’t even understand the opening crawl of a film you claim to love. Fuck out of my face with that shit.

You’re asking for a ban man. What I do understand are people who are so vain, so into themselves, that they enjoy watching movies where their entire gratification comes from subconsciously going “ah I knew that was going to happen” and “I remember that in some other film I liked years ago” and “that was in _____ EU book I read!” and the like.

Or not.

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To elaborate I like knowing exactly how the Rebels got the Death Star plans, I like the moral ambiguity of Cassian having to kill Galen, I felt kind of emotionally attached to Jyn and the storyline with her father, Vader was fucking badass, I like seeing new planet, new droids, new aliens.

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Lord Haseo said:

Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:

These non Star Wars fans are the worst…

EDIT:

And you’re goddamn right I went there.

Do you really want to go somewhere else? We could also discuss how some people have incredibly poor taste in films, don’t understand anything about storytelling or filmmaking, and base their ratings of Star Wars movies on nothing more than how much **** can be crammed onto the screen that they’re familiar with from other films or novels for God knows what reason.

You don’t even understand the opening crawl of a film you claim to love. Fuck out of my face with that shit.

Be nice.

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Lord Haseo said:
I felt kind of emotionally attached to Jyn and the storyline with her father

Well that’s good. That’s what movies are supposed to be about.

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DominicCobb said:

Ugh oh, almighty RLM has spoken. Does this mean everyone has to change their opinions on the movie now?

That awkward moment when you remember you go to the same movie theatre as these guys and have actually seen them there…

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Alderaan said:

Lord Haseo said:
I felt kind of emotionally attached to Jyn and the storyline with her father

Well that’s good. That’s what movies are supposed to be about.

Only good movies 😉

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I actually agree with RLM on several counts:

-Jyn’s characterization was lacking. I wanted so badly to feel a deeper connection with her, but it just wasn’t there.
-The inclusion of Tarkin, Leia and Vader was distracting and I thought detracted from the main focus of the film. Especially concerning the somewhat shameful use of CG to recreate the former two characters.
-All the unnecessary “Easter eggs” and ancillary character cameos again drew attention away from our main characters

But despite half-a-dozen eye rolls, I actually enjoyed the film very much. This movie is fun (if unremarkable) and one I would like to see again.

Though I have to take one last parting shot at CG Leia. Her face ruined the ending for me. The computer generated countenance of a young Carrie Fisher is so uncanny and jarring that it made me cringe. And it’s the last shot of the picture. A much more tasteful option would have been to hold the previous wide shot from behind when the trooper hands her the floppy disk. That also would have been more in keeping with the Star Wars tradition of ending on wide shots of our characters.

OK. I’m done now. It feels good to get that off my chest 😉

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The last shot is actually the Tantive going to hyperspace which has end of SW movie precedent with ESB. . . .
but it shouldn’t matter either way because this is not a traditional SW film.

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Tarkin was completely unnecessary and a real blemish on the film. Leia could have been done with a hologram, but honestly I didn’t mind her at all.

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DominicCobb said:

The last shot is actually the Tantive going to hyperspace which has end of SW movie precedent with ESB. . . .
but it shouldn’t matter either way because this is not a traditional SW film.

Thank you, I stand corrected. At least it’s not the final shot of the film. Though I still think it was in very poor taste.

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If this film were to have been made 5 years in the future I wouldn’t have minded it. They’re on the cusp of traversing over the uncanny valley.

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Alderaan said:

Tarkin was completely unnecessary and a real blemish on the film. Leia could have been done with a hologram, but honestly I didn’t mind her at all.

It’s so curious that you didn’t like Tarkin but didn’t mind Leia. It was kind of the opposite for me. I minded Tarkin less and less as the film went on.

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pleasehello said:

Alderaan said:

Tarkin was completely unnecessary and a real blemish on the film. Leia could have been done with a hologram, but honestly I didn’t mind her at all.

It’s so curious that you didn’t like Tarkin but didn’t mind Leia. It was kind of the opposite for me. I minded Tarkin less and less as the film went on.

Difference of opinion I guess. You said it jarred you because the resemblance was uncanny? I thought she was fine precisely because it was only one shot, and there was no acting (which the CGI can’t emulate). She looked fine and not distracting. Tarkin on the other hand was in many scenes that required acting and besides, the computer was not as good at rendering Peter Cushing’s angular and gaunt facial features as it was Leia’s rounder and softer features. But maybe I just didn’t have time to pay close enough attention because it was just one scene.

Just my opinion.

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Alderaan said:

Tarkin was completely unnecessary and a real blemish on the film. Leia could have been done with a hologram, but honestly I didn’t mind her at all.

So completely unnecessary, in fact, that they inserted a CGI Peter Cushing Tarkin over Guy Henry playing Tarkin on set. They did simply recast the role – and then decided the film needed a blemish or two.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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They literally advocated for the removal of “that space battle $#@%.”

Can review shows jump the shark? =P

What’s wrong with that? I said the same thing in my review. The whole third act was ridiculous and eyerolling. The movie was over when Jyn’s father died. The writers screwed up and buried the climax in the middle of the second act!

How does that change what I said? The film was over when it was revealed Jyn’s father intentionally designed the death star with a flaw and then he died. There was no more story left to tell after that, because the first two acts were not about the Empire vs. The Rebel Alliance. They were about Jyn and her father and their stories. The rest of the **** was just tacked on.

The story is “how the Leia ended up with the plans” not “why the Death Star blew up so easily.”

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Alderaan said:
Difference of opinion I guess. You said it jarred you because the resemblance was uncanny? I thought she was fine precisely because it was only one shot, and there was no acting (which the CGI can’t emulate). She looked fine and not distracting. Tarkin on the other hand was in many scenes that required acting and besides, the computer was not as good at rendering Peter Cushing’s angular and gaunt facial features as it was Leia’s rounder and softer features. But maybe I just didn’t have time to pay close enough attention because it was just one scene.

Just my opinion.

Yeah. I can see where you’re coming from.

Perhaps it was that the Leia reveal was the last thing in the movie. For me it kind of undermined what would have otherwise been a very emotionally satisfying ending.

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ATMachine said:

So completely unnecessary, in fact, that they inserted a CGI Peter Cushing Tarkin over Guy Henry playing Tarkin on set. They did simply recast the role – and then decided the film needed a blemish or two.

I didn’t know they actually had Guy Henry on set!

That’s a real shame they painted over his face. I thought his vocal performance was good and his countenance very much suggests the late Peter Cushing.

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Tyrphanax said:

So the entire movie was about the McGuffin and some girl who was never mentioned and only appeared on screen for the last three or four seconds?

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The end with Vader slicing and dicing all of the Rebels was the stuff out of radio dramas, books, etc. We had always heard about how ruthless Vader was killing all of the rebels. To see it play out on the screen made me grin ear to ear.

The rest of the movie was meh.

Jar-Jar is the Emperor in the extra special edition of ROTJ (scenes 1, 3, and then 6 to the end).

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Alderaan said:

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So the entire movie was about the McGuffin and some girl who was never mentioned and only appeared on screen for the last three or four seconds?

The overarching point of the film was to explain how the plans got from the Empire to the Rebels (unless I watched the wrong movie or something), not to explain that the Death Star was sabotaged. No?

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