Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread — Page 72

darthrush said:
I was pretty dissapointed with the score but the track titled “Your Father would be Proud” which accompanies Jyn and Cassians death is BEAUTIFUL!

Yeah, that track is great and for me is the highlight of the score.

ZkinandBonez said:

I’m still a bit confused over why Mustafar was never identified by a caption though. Did they think that too many people might not know the name? Or were they simply trying to keep the PT references to a minimum?

It may have something to do with them not wanting to spoil who the character in the bacta tank is 1 minute earlier. I totally can see secrecy freaks worrying about this.

Second viewing here. Awesomeness of this movie still holds. Compared to TFA, only Disney TM moment is Jyn’s monologue at the Rebel Council.

The prequel we all deserved, at least for me. Specially liked the first act, and the fact that Jyn fucks up big by not taking the hologram with her. Something that Rey never does because, you know, he’s awesome at everything (or her decissions aren’t important to anyone but her).

Jyn, generally I liked her. Her voice and intonation isn’t too decided at times. “run, hide, scatter your forces” is an example of how to deliver a line if you want to sound like a random teenager. I’m somewhat tired of this archetype of the “rough girl” being only someone who can irrealy kick some guy’s asses. That’s what Jyn and even Rey are, sensitive daddy’s girls who know martial arts and can fight. Rey naively trusts Finn, while Solo, who is a man, can tell that he’s lying. Exactly the same goes for Jyn in this movie, with Cassian and the blind guy. At least for me “street-wise” or “rough girl” also implies some level of intelligence and gravitas, such as the one that they correctly put in Mon Mothma. That is a good female character on her own.

Felicity’s performance is hard to rate. I liked very much some bits of her acting. Specially the line “then we’ll find him, and bring him back, so he can tell them himself”. I find the intonation, the pause in “bring him back…”, the very way she delivers the line as something that we don’t see much in the saga, which is the characters making up their specch in the very moment they’re talking. Happens a lot in real life but not in matine movies like Star Wars. And well, there are plenty of moments like that, when the characters deliver lines in strange ways because they are agitated, physically exhausted, etc. Maybe this doesn’t necessarily make me care about the character’s “arc” but it really does make me feel empathy for their situations at the moment.

I still think Vader isn’t well filmed, the score is not quite there, and that thing about the quality of the grebbling in the 3d models.

But in the end, it holds close to the OT, closer than any other SW film, both in heart and mind.

ZkinandBonez said:

I’m actually kind of curious to see what the fan editors might end up doing with this film. Unlike TFA this film is a lot easier to reconcile with the more old school fans who prefer Legends material. (F.ex. since there was no caption identifying Vader’s castle as being on Mustafar, I imagine someone could easily just add “Vjun” or “Bast Castle” to it, etc.)

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I’m still a bit confused over why Mustafar was never identified by a caption though. Did they think that too many people might not know the name? Or were they simply trying to keep the PT references to a minimum?

I was wondering if it had anything to do with it being an oversight in Post Production. I would imagine Gilroy added those name cards because I don’t think it’s Gareth Edwards style to add stuff like that. That is only a guess mind.

But you can see Gareth Edwards Distinct style of film making where he put’s people in front of big special effects shots and alike to give them a sense of scale. Certain shot’s don’t follow his style either but that could be John KNoll.

It’s no Bad thing but apparently the novel the scenes at the beginning are in a different order being the Prologue (Flashback to Lah’mu) then not Back to Jyn but to Cassian then Bodhi Rook and then we get back to Jyn and stay with her until broken out of the Jail.

So Perhaps a better Order of events?

Neither was Lah’mu labeled by name either by the way…

I’ve seen the film twice now. I loved it the first time, and I loved it even more the second time.

• The first act was a bit iffy when they threw us on five or so planets rapidly, but once we got to Jedha, I thought it was smooth sailing.

• The way they handled the cold opening/title was incredibly jarring the first time I saw it, a bit less so the second time. I still think it’s ugly.

• I thought CGI Tarkin and Leia looked fine. To the average person who doesn’t realize that Peter Cushing is dead and Carrie Fisher is older, they’d look perfect.

• I was fine with the Dr. Evazan/Ponda Baba cameos although I wish they would handle these cameos with more subtlety. Perhaps just have them bump shoulders with Cassian on the Ring of Kafrene and be done with it? R2 and 3PO was bleh. They can’t seem to come up with any new or interesting dialogue for 3PO.

• Once they got to Scarif, the movie was absolutely amazing. The ground battle with the team looked great, the space battle looked great. We get to see Red and Gold Leaders!! The way they took down the shield gate was unique and breaks the rule of “shoot it until it explodes”.

• Loved all of the ties to the Prequel trilogy/Rebels - Bail, the Clone Turbo Tank, the Ghost, Chopper, Courscant (for a moment), Mustafar, the actress who played Mon Mothma in the RotS deleted scene, and Saw himself. This movie did a fantastic job of bridging the PT with the OT, which I think is very important in making the whole saga feel like one galaxy.

• I won’t say too much about the last five minutes because everyone’s talking about it, other than that I think it’s watching the whole movie just for this scene.

It’s wayyyy too early for me to be doing this, but this is what my ranking looks like at the moment:

TESB
ANH
RO
TFA
RotJ
RotS
TPM
AotC

All in all, Edwards did an amazing job. I hope Episode VIII turns out like this.

So here I am in the spoiler thread, without having seen the movie. Why? I’ve decided I’m not going to watch it at all, ever. Or any spin off. I think I’m just “getting too old for this sort of thing.” I saw ANH in the cinema in 1977. I hope the movie is a success though. I will be watching the main releases. I just hope these spin offs don’t dilute the main movies for folk.

laserdisc said:

So here I am in the spoiler thread, without having seen the movie. Why? I’ve decided I’m not going to watch it at all, ever. Or any spin off. I think I’m just “getting too old for this sort of thing.” I saw ANH in the cinema in 1977. I hope the movie is a success though. I will be watching the main releases. I just hope these spin offs don’t dilute the main movies for folk.

You might as well watch it, at least when it comes out on home media. In my opinion, they could’ve called this movie “Episode 3.9”. It’s important to the main story.

Bobo Jameson said:

You know everyone I’m already thinking about the Blu-ray to this movie. I sure do hope that it’s chock-full of deleted scenes and the alternate ending with a concept art gallery, featurettes on Vader and the special/creature effects. That would be awesome. There’s about 20 minutes worth of deleted scenes from The Force Awakens that we never really got to see which is a shame. I just hope that we get to see more on the Rogue One Blu-ray and we probably will being as that it’s the first standalone Star Wars film.

I doubt this will be the case given the poor offering on the Force Awakens Blu-Ray. I did not bother to buy it I contemplated getting the later repackaged version with the supposed Chewie ripping off the arms if Unkar Plutt or whatever his name is but it was cut short just like they did for escaping Maz Katana’s castle.

It’s the old here is part of a deleted scene but you will have to wait another ten years to see the rest of it.

Actually I decided I’m not bothered by that point and no sale. I don’t want to own it thanks… I will however pick up Rogue One on Blu-Ray… Or perhaps hold out for a deluxe version.

I think it would be beneficial to offer something over and above what was given for the force awakens as the advertising basically was marketing a completely different cut of the film still with only a few days prior to release.

If you are going to constantly advertise an alternative cut of a film you had bloody well put it on the Blu-ray 😃

SilverWook said:

Ok, let’s play nice, kids.

Except Dom is absolutely right. 0/10 is an incredibly stupid rating posted for no other reason than to rile us up, so damn straight we’re going to point out how stupid it is. If we’re going to continue down this path of censoring those calling out the trolls while leaving the trolls alone to do their trolling, this place is completely lost and not worth visiting anymore.

laserdisc said:

So here I am in the spoiler thread, without having seen the movie. Why? I’ve decided I’m not going to watch it at all, ever. Or any spin off. I think I’m just “getting too old for this sort of thing.” I saw ANH in the cinema in 1977. I hope the movie is a success though. I will be watching the main releases. I just hope these spin offs don’t dilute the main movies for folk.

May I ask how old you are? I’m 43 and I really enjoyed it. It didn’t dilute anything, if anything it enhanced the OT.

ratpack1961 said:

After viewing the film here are my initial thoughts:

It’s better than all three of the prequels (and I liked parts of those movies!).

It’s better then TFA. That was a film I think that was trying to do what this film succeeded in doing. TFA was a new star wars that was desperately trying to be like the OT but the writing and characters were just not there.

This film feels like a real Star Wars film and a return to the universe that we saw in the OT. The scenes on Jedha had that grungy used universe feeling that Lucas got from the European comic artists of the 70s and its been translated so well here. This is also the first Star Wars film since Empire to not have any childish or cute characters. As much as I love ROTJ, the ewoks were the beginning of a trend of pandering to kids that lasted only until a few years ago. This was a straight forward sci fi fantasy film and a really good one at that.

And then there’s the Vader’s castle sequence which is just so beautifully done. I think there’s definitely fan service parts to the film but they are very quick and definitely nothing as offensive as any of the Phantom Menace gags or tentacle monsters in a cargo hold that we put up with in previous films. It was a film that finally said “Someone who isn’t Lucas can make a great Star Wars film”. The filmmakers of TFA were so sure of themselves that they forgot to make a good movie. But everything with Rogue One was just spot on from the characters to the pacing to the amazing visuals. Great film.

I agree for the most part though I dont think I agree with the characterization you’ve given TFA as a film making effort.

I dont like TFA much. But I dont think it was so much a desperate attempt to be like the OT. In fact i find it to be a completely corporatized safe bet of an attempt to test the waters by lazily copying the OT. TFA seems to serve one purpose only. To give fans the candy they think they want. You want Han and Chewie? Its got Han and Chewie. You want Tie Fighters? Its got TIE Fighters. You want sad and aimless youth on a desert planet setting out on the adventure of a lifetime? It’s got that.

This was nothing more than a careful entry into the Galaxy with the goal of not wanting to disturb the fanbase. I feel it accomplished that. It was also an attempt to wipe the palate of the fanbase from the miserable PT (apologies to those here who like them). It was from a business perspective the right and safe first step.

And the fact they want to play it safe with a trilogy is also understandable given the financial commitment required. However, it is a shame. The spinoffs get to take risks while the great saga thread is left to languish in its own past glories. I dont think I like that. Perhaps that will change in the next trilogy but I wonder if the current trilogy’s mold isn’t already cast and set by TFA.

Every time I see someone complain about how safe TFA was, and then I think of all the shit Disney got for a female lead, a black co-lead, and a Hispanic co-co-lead, when I think of the film killing off Han, when I think of the way the film tore up the ending of Jedi and tore up Han and Leia’s relationship (both in good, realistic ways), the way that Luke didn’t appear until the last scene…I have to laugh my ass off at that person.

mapet318 said:
TESB
ANH
RO
TFA
RotJ
RotS
TPM
AotC

Switch TFA and RO and that is literally my order.

I’m glad to see this movie isn’t as divisive as TFA was. I mean when was the last time Star Wars fans agreed on something that didn’t involve a film sucking?

EDIT:

TV’s Frink said:

Every time I see someone complain about how safe TFA was, and then I think of all the shit Disney got for a female lead, a black co-lead, and a Hispanic co-co-lead, when I think of the film killing off Han, when I think of the way the film tore up the ending of Jedi and tore up Han and Leia’s relationship (both in good, realistic ways), the way that Luke didn’t appear until the last scene…I have to laugh my ass off at that person.

Also let’s not forget that they purposefully made Kylo Ren a villain in training. That clearly didn’t make everyone happy.

TV’s Frink said:

Every time I see someone complain about how safe TFA was, and then I think of all the shit Disney got for a female lead, a black co-lead, and a Hispanic co-co-lead, when I think of the film killing off Han, when I think of the way the film tore up the ending of Jedi and tore up Han and Leia’s relationship (both in good, realistic ways), the way that Luke didn’t appear until the last scene…I have to laugh my ass off at that person.

YUP.

There’s a version of the movie that’s “safe” and “giving people what they think want” and it certainly wasn’t that.

Lord Haseo said:

mapet318 said:
TESB
ANH
RO
TFA
RotJ
RotS
TPM
AotC

Switch TFA and RO and that is literally my order.

I’m glad to see this movie isn’t as divisive as TFA was. I mean when was the last time Star Wars fans agreed on something that didn’t involve a film sucking?

Yeah, it’s been pretty refreshing how even the loudest anti-TFA voices have been supportive of RO…except for one ridiculous troll, of course.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I don’t get the argument that the characters didn’t get enough background, such as not knowing how Baze and Chrrut met. Who cares how they met? You never find out the backstory of Jules and Vincent in Pulp Fiction, and those characters are still terrific. Hell, you never find out the backstory for Han and Chewy, and those characters are loved by all.

Someone gets it.

If one wants character arc, they’ll have to reduce the cast or make a series of films with the same characters. But that wasnt the intent of this film. Nor is it an inherent pre-requisite for all cinema.

But from a certain point of view, one could say the REbellion as a whole has been nothing but a flat character in all the other Star Wars films combined. Rogue One did not develop any single character to any degree but they are still likable characters. They are still relatable. And the Rebellion now has some depth. Previously they were nothing more than Star Trek’s equivalent of the disposable crew member.

My problem with the characters wasn’t the lack of backstory, I just found many of them fairly uninteresting in their own right, and not terribly well-acted to boot. FWIW I really liked Chirrut and Baze. I thought Cassian was the worst offender, a major character with tons of screen time that I just didn’t care a lick about.

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

mapet318 said:
TESB
ANH
RO
TFA
RotJ
RotS
TPM
AotC

Switch TFA and RO and that is literally my order.

I’m glad to see this movie isn’t as divisive as TFA was. I mean when was the last time Star Wars fans agreed on something that didn’t involve a film sucking?

Yeah, it’s been pretty refreshing how even the loudest anti-TFA voices have been supportive of RO…except for one ridiculous troll, of course.

Part of it is that some of the loud voices aren’t even out. By nature, the spin-off isn’t garnering as much analysis, critical or otherwise. And I think the stakes are lower too with a spin-off, and the expectations aren’t sky high coming off so long a wait with TFA.

Even then Cassian had more going for him in terms of “depth”. I can appreciate that a little more.

TV’s Frink said:

Every time I see someone complain about how safe TFA was, and then I think of all the shit Disney got for a female lead, a black co-lead, and a Hispanic co-co-lead, when I think of the film killing off Han, when I think of the way the film tore up the ending of Jedi and tore up Han and Leia’s relationship (both in good, realistic ways), the way that Luke didn’t appear until the last scene…I have to laugh my ass off at that person.

Those weren’t really risks were they? They are an attempt to be more inclusive as the times would dictate any film with a large cast should be.

It’s pretty much a retro fit of Star Wars with an infusion of diversity. Diversity + a new story line altogether…now that would be a risk.

As for killing off Han, I guess you could say it was a risk. Every risk has a downside and they got the downside of it due to execution. K2SOs death is much more meaningful.

luckydube56 said:
As for killing off Han, I guess you could say it was a risk. Every risk has a downside and they got the downside of it due to execution. K2SOs death is much more meaningful.

We don’t know what the fate of Kylo Ren will be. You’re being premature.

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

mapet318 said:
TESB
ANH
RO
TFA
RotJ
RotS
TPM
AotC

Switch TFA and RO and that is literally my order.

I’m glad to see this movie isn’t as divisive as TFA was. I mean when was the last time Star Wars fans agreed on something that didn’t involve a film sucking?

Yeah, it’s been pretty refreshing how even the loudest anti-TFA voices have been supportive of RO…except for one ridiculous troll, of course.

Part of it is that some of the loud voices aren’t even out. By nature, the spin-off isn’t garnering as much analysis, critical or otherwise. And I think the stakes are lower too with a spin-off, and the expectations aren’t sky high coming off so long a wait with TFA.

The Film has already made back what it cost to make it in 3 days (approx 250 million to make)… TFA was only last year.

For a film that has nothing to do with any Skywalkers it’s doing amazingly well and It is very good to see.

The current Estimation that the film will pull in approx 290 million worldwide on opening weekend.

Actually they need 500 - 600 million to cover costs apparently but it’s still very good as they do not get all the revenue only about half of it.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I don’t get the argument that the characters didn’t get enough background, such as not knowing how Baze and Chrrut met. Who cares how they met? You never find out the backstory of Jules and Vincent in Pulp Fiction, and those characters are still terrific. Hell, you never find out the backstory for Han and Chewy, and those characters are loved by all.

Well said.