Star Wars: The Trilogy **PROJECT STALLED DUE TO HARD DRIVE FAILURE** — Page 9

Also, the time Han spent frozen in carbonite is logical because he was near death.  Had he been frozen for 3 years, he surely would have been dead.

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Survived the freezing process, he did.  Survive the time being frozen in suspended animation is another consideration.  Suspended animation is supposed to slow down the life process by external means without termination.  However, if left in suspended animation for too long, the victim could indeed die while in hybernation.

Upon being freed from the carbonite in ROTJ, Han experienced these symptoms: temporary blindness, nausea, and firing nerves upon awakening.  This is evidence that Han was encased in carbonite for only a few months.  Hence, little time had to have passed between ESB and ROTJ.

G E Predator said:

Survived the freezing process, he did.  Survive the time being frozen in suspended animation is another consideration.  Suspended animation is supposed to slow down the life process by external means without termination.  However, if left in suspended animation for too long, the victim could indeed die while in hybernation.

Upon being freed from the carbonite in ROTJ, Han experienced these symptoms: temporary blindness, nausea, and firing nerves upon awakening.  This is evidence that Han was encased in carbonite for only a few months.  Hence, little time had to have passed between ESB and ROTJ.

It's a Science Fiction/Fantasy process.

For all we know the handsome pirate could have been turned to stone for a hundred years before the daring Princess broke the dark Wizard's spell with her kiss and still suffer the same side effects, he could suffer the same effects after 5 minutes.

Until you can take Carbonite and hibernation sickness into a real world lab any story you want to make up for the time frame could be made to fit.

It could be a hard war which explains why everyone has aged three years in three months or it was three years.

Bingowings said:

G E Predator said:

Survived the freezing process, he did.  Survive the time being frozen in suspended animation is another consideration.  Suspended animation is supposed to slow down the life process by external means without termination.  However, if left in suspended animation for too long, the victim could indeed die while in hybernation.

Upon being freed from the carbonite in ROTJ, Han experienced these symptoms: temporary blindness, nausea, and firing nerves upon awakening.  This is evidence that Han was encased in carbonite for only a few months.  Hence, little time had to have passed between ESB and ROTJ.

It's a Science Fiction/Fantasy process.

For all we know the handsome pirate could have been turned to stone for a hundred years before the daring Princess broke the dark Wizard's spell with her kiss and still suffer the same side effects, he could suffer the same effects after 5 minutes.

Until you can take Carbonite and hibernation sickness into a real world lab any story you want to make up for the time frame could be made to fit.

It could be a hard war which explains why everyone has aged three years in three months or it was three years.

 

That wasn't the point, Bingowings.  My point was to explain that the time span between Empire and Jedi was very short.  And 100 years?  Com'n, think about it.  Do you seriously think Leia would wait 100 years to sneak into Jabba's palace and free Han from the carbonite slap?   I don't think so.

And BTW, if you haven't heard about it already, it's call "Cryogenic Freezing."  It's a real world method of freezing people in suspended animation for a period of time.

And just because the actors aged three years doesn't mean that the characters did.  Case and point:  Back to the Future part 1 was made in 1985 while Back to the Future part 2 was made in 1989.  So logically, the actor (Michael J. Fox) aged 4 years between films.  But since part 2 picks up where part 1 leaves off, the character (Marty McFly) doesn't age at all.

My knowledge about what the heroes of Star Wars were doing is based upon my reading of "Shadows of the Empire," which occurs after Empire and ends right where Jedi begins.  It's a really good story, and considered canon material in the Star Wars Universe.

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

G E Predator said:

Survived the freezing process, he did.  Survive the time being frozen in suspended animation is another consideration.  Suspended animation is supposed to slow down the life process by external means without termination.  However, if left in suspended animation for too long, the victim could indeed die while in hybernation.

Upon being freed from the carbonite in ROTJ, Han experienced these symptoms: temporary blindness, nausea, and firing nerves upon awakening.  This is evidence that Han was encased in carbonite for only a few months.  Hence, little time had to have passed between ESB and ROTJ.

It's a Science Fiction/Fantasy process.

For all we know the handsome pirate could have been turned to stone for a hundred years before the daring Princess broke the dark Wizard's spell with her kiss and still suffer the same side effects, he could suffer the same effects after 5 minutes.

Until you can take Carbonite and hibernation sickness into a real world lab any story you want to make up for the time frame could be made to fit.

It could be a hard war which explains why everyone has aged three years in three months or it was three years.

 

That wasn't the point, Bingowings.  My point was to explain that the time span between Empire and Jedi was very short.  And 100 years?  Com'n, think about it.  Do you seriously think Leia would wait 100 years to sneak into Jabba's palace and free Han from the carbonite slap?   I don't think so.

And BTW, if you haven't heard about it already, it's call "Cryogenic Freezing."  It's a real world method of freezing people in suspended animation for a period of time.

And just because the actors aged three years doesn't mean that the characters did.  Case and point:  Back to the Future part 1 was made in 1985 while Back to the Future part 2 was made in 1989.  So logically, the actor (Michael J. Fox) aged 4 years between films.  But since part 2 picks up where part 1 leaves off, the character (Marty McFly) doesn't age at all.

My knowledge about what the heroes of Star Wars were doing is based upon my reading of "Shadows of the Empire," which occurs after Empire and ends right where Jedi begins.  It's a really good story, and considered canon material in the Star Wars Universe.

The scientific term you want is Cryonic (Cryogenics is the study of the production of very low temperatures) and while that may have be a real world background to it sealing people in blocks of carbonite (a fictional substance) is used in the Star Wars universe as a replacement for the mythical petrification devices (spells, gorgon stares, poisoned apples and bewitched sewing needles etc) from ancient stories (ergo the 100 years reference).

It's a fictional process we know nothing about and EU is as much canon as you wish it to be (as the body of work as a whole is contradictory and the some of the Shadows Of The Empire project was pretty naff and largely unknown to the bulk of viewers it could be dismissed).

The actors have clearly aged a lot more than a few months, as I said in my earlier post that could be down to the stress of fighting a war or because three years have gone by in the Star Wars universe (or maybe in a galaxy far far away people just get older at a faster rate).

So it's up to the editor and the viewer.

Bingowings said:

So it's up to the editor and the viewer.

So in other terms, it's all depends on a certain point of view?  Still, my point being that Han had to have been frozen for a shorter time than normally estimated.  He survived the process of freezing, but he could have died if he was left in carbonate for too long.  And a three year time span would surly have left him dead.

And also like I pointed out, just because the actors age doesn't mean that the characters have too.  The toll of war could have effected them, as well as being on Tatooine rounding up a rescue team and Luke building his replacement lightsaber.

skye1083 said:

I can accept that as an explanation for Luke and Leia, but what about Han? He should look like he did when he he was frozen, right? Three months or three years, he would age a lot slower than they would.

Right.  Han shouldn't really age while he was frozen in Carbonite.

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

So it's up to the editor and the viewer.

So in other terms, it's all depends on a certain point of view?

Yes.  There's nothing in the OT that dictates a specific length of time between films, and I won't be adding anything of the sort, so if your "point of view" is that it's 3 years between Star Wars and Empire and a few months between Empire and Jedi, that's up to you, and there will be nothing in my edits that will contradict you.

But that's not my personal "point of view" on the matter.

ChainsawAsh said:

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

So it's up to the editor and the viewer.

So in other terms, it's all depends on a certain point of view?

Yes.  There's nothing in the OT that dictates a specific length of time between films, and I won't be adding anything of the sort, so if your "point of view" is that it's 3 years between Star Wars and Empire and a few months between Empire and Jedi, that's up to you, and there will be nothing in my edits that will contradict you.

But that's not my personal "point of view" on the matter.

Okay then.  Now that we got that matter settled with, we can talk about more important things?

I'm not trying to rush you or anything.  This question is strictly out of curiousity:  Do you have a release date for your "Star Wars" release of this Trilogy Edit?

Okay then.  Now that we got that matter settled with, we can talk about more important things?

Thank you GE. 

Ya, do you have a release date?

I had been hoping to get it out by the end of the year, but since I've been so insanely busy with school, that's not a possibility.  However, I do have a month and a half of NOTHING ELSE to do from mid-December to the last week of January.  And I'm getting a $300 pair of Sennheiser mixing-quality headphones for Christmas from my parents, which will allow me to really smooth out the audio problems (I'm also learning more about how Avid works in my Edit II class - I'm now 99% confident I can make the audio shifts seamless if I have good headphones).

Most of the work left to do is just frustrating and time-consuming, but when I have nothing else to do, I'll be focusing on this project entirely.  (Plus, the most tedious things - the crawl, subtitles, and credits - I can save the After Effects files for and use them as templates for the next two films, speeding up that part of the process quite a bit.)

If I had to guess, I'd say February or March 2010 for Star Wars.

Well, I have pretty terrible news.  It seems that my hard drive just decided to fuck off and stop working on me.  I've tried everything I can think of, and it's simply dead. Which means that all project and media files for this edit are now gone.

I'm sorry to disappoint everyone.  If I manage to get things worked out, I'll certainly keep you in the loop, but it looks for now that I'd have to start all over from scratch, and honestly ... that's not something I'm too keen on doing.

I may decide to do this again after Empire: Revisited is released, so I can work on those two while ROTJ:R is being made.  That'll also help push the release dates of all 3 edits much closer together.

But I also may not start this up again at all.  I'm really not sure.

Sorry to disappear for two months then come back with this bad news.  I had something really cool that I was going to reveal very soon (namely that I'd finally sussed out that Dewback scene, which, in my mind, was one of the major keys to this whole project), but I'd kinda wanted to just keep out of sight until the project was done entirely.

So, unless something changes in the near future, I have to unfortunately classify this project as dead.  Sorry to disappoint you guys.

Haven't been following this one, but I know you've spent quite a bit of time on this, so I'm sorry to hear of this huge set-back for you.

Sorry to hear the bad news CA. Obviously this is no help now, but backup drives have gotten really cheap. Might want to look into one before you do anything else...

I'm certainly going to.

On top of that problem, in the SAME DAY I was caught with a gram of weed and four beers in my fridge (I live in a college dorm, and I turn 21 tomorrow ... goddammit), so I may have to pay a fine for that.  Since I don't know how large said fine may or may not be, I'm putting a freeze on spending any non-essential money, which includes money I'd spend on replacing this hard drive.

So, while I certainly want to try to re-build this project, there are now a GREAT many obstacles to that.  On top of all this, I no longer have the AVCHDs to work from (and only got lucky by having burned a DVD-9 copy of ANH:R a while ago).

Yesterday was NOT a good day for me ...

*beats head against desk repeatedly*

It’s six years old, Ash hasn’t been here in two years.

Perhaps you should go away too.