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If you really understand the Kyoto protocol then you should be glad we broke it. If it destroyed the US economy, it would affect Brazil too, you know.


Yeah, good point Chaltab. How much oil does Brazil export annualy? And BTW Ricar...we didn't "break" the treaty, we just refuse to participate in it because it's ill-concieved and hides another more insidious agenda, ie: wealth redistribution.


OK how would the Kyoto protocol destroy USA's economy? How?

Brazil? Exporting oil? Almost none, Petrobras pretty much covers only Brazil itself. I think they supply some to Argentina or Mexico, but very little of it.

The Clinton administration had signed the treaty, and the Bush administration steped back. So I consider it "breaking" it.


I don't think the US Senate ever approved it, so in the strictest sense we never signed it. That's the way treaties are supposed to work in the US, which sadly is not the way it does happen most of the time, regardless of who's in the White House. Senate approval is supposed to allow the people a voice in what jokes we get tied to, like the WTO, NAFTA, etc; If the President wants to do it, he needs to get 51 senators to sign off (assuming it doesn't need a "super" majority).

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The Kyoto treaty would not be 'dead in the water' as you put it if the U.S.A, which puts out nearly 50% of the world's pollution all by itself, had signed it. Without their participation it is a useless gesture. How would the treaty destroy your economy? People, please do me and yourselves a favour - try and get hold of some newspapers or articles or something that didn't come from CNN or one of the other jokes that America calls News Media. Try www.guardian.co.uk for starters. And before you start getting all defensive, I'm married to an American, I have family in America, I've spent a lot of time in the country, and I do actually ike the place, so don't assume I'm a U.S.A. hating foreigner. But let me tell you - the news you guys get is bias, one sided and edited. It is litle short of propaganda, and that's a fact. Widen your horizons.

I think Ric put it quite nicely - If you're actually proud of breaking the Kyoto protocol, all I wish is luck to you all.

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The Kyoto treaty would not be 'dead in the water' as you put it if the U.S.A, which puts out nearly 50% of the world's pollution all by itself, had signed it. Without their participation it is a useless gesture. How would the treaty destroy your economy? People, please do me and yourselves a favour - try and get hold of some newspapers or articles or something that didn't come from CNN or one of the other jokes that America calls News Media. Try www.guardian.co.uk for starters. And before you start getting all defensive, I'm married to an American, I have family in America, I've spent a lot of time in the country, and I do actually ike the place, so don't assume I'm a U.S.A. hating foreigner. But let me tell you - the news you guys get is bias, one sided and edited. It is litle short of propaganda, and that's a fact. Widen your horizons.

I think Ric put it quite nicely - If you're actually proud of breaking the Kyoto protocol, all I wish is luck to you all.


Well, since you pointed me to The Guardian I'll make an assumption your from the UK and not "the continent". We started getting the American Hating Network (AKA:BBC) a few years ago, which is not to accuse you personally of hating the US. Just making my point that what you have is FAR from being unbiased. For the record: Nobody is unbiased. It is impossible. Anyone who makes a claim of being unbiased is fooling themselves at best, and should not be trusted at worst.

I personally would rather get a root canal than watch CNN. We used to refer to CNN as the Clinton News Network. I read a lot of Worldnetdaily.com, which is independent.

You once again failed to state what exactly Kyoto will do except redistribute wealth, but as you say, I wish you luck.

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Well, since you pointed me to The Guardian I'll make an assumption your from the UK and not "the continent". We started getting the American Hating Network (AKA:BBC) a few years ago, which is not to accuse you personally of hating the US. Just making my point that what you have is FAR from being unbiased. For the record: Nobody is unbiased. It is impossible. Anyone who makes a claim of being unbiased is fooling themselves at best, and should not be trusted at worst.

I personally would rather get a root canal than watch CNN. We used to refer to CNN as the Clinton News Network. I read a lot of Worldnetdaily.com, which is independent.

You once again failed to state what exactly Kyoto will do except redistribute wealth, but as you say, I wish you luck.

"The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries"-Winston Churchill


You call the BBC, one of the most respectful media agents of the past 70 years, "america hating"? Excuse me, but what do you consider to be a secure, unbiased source of news? Fox? You know why you belive BBC hates america? Because their news are NOT edited according to corporate interests. Surprise, surprise! Guess what, america, you guys gets a WHOLE different point of view from the rest of the world! An edited, secure point of view that does not harm the government acts, corporate interests and dosen't make the people THINK. Rupert Murdock dosen't want you to know about murdered civillians. Ted Turner either, with their CNN losing credibility...

CNN used to have credibility back in the early 90s, but thngs are changing.

Kyoto protocol redistributing wealth? What, you mean the sanctions imposed to overdeveloped countries ruled by underdeveloped minds? I guess being the worlds biggest polution source means nothing at all eh? Let's send the bill China like Bush wants, america is NOT paying for that. Oh but we'll pay Halliburton 2 billion dollars to "re-build" Iraq and gets their oil, oh we'll do that yes.
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1. I would have sworn that I've heard the Guardian referred to as a "communist rag", so I would take what is written there with a grain of salt.

2. I've heard the same things about the BBC. Wasn't there some lord that was a higher up in the BBC that commited suicide over some false anti-American story that aired?

3. ric, [sarcasm]Yes, we gave Halliburton $2 billion to rebuild Iraq so we could steal their oil and lower our gas prices below the $1 mark again.[/sarcasm] I suppose that's why its now $2.20 per gallon now.

4. I'm not completely familiar with the Kyoto accords, but if there are any provisions where countries that are large polluters are fined and other countries get funds, then I can see where its a wealth distribution system.
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1. I would have sworn that I've heard the Guardian referred to as a "communist rag", so I would take what is written there with a grain of salt.

2. I've heard the same things about the BBC. Wasn't there some lord that was a higher up in the BBC that commited suicide over some false anti-American story that aired?

3. ric, [sarcasm]Yes, we gave Halliburton $2 billion to rebuild Iraq so we could steal their oil and lower our gas prices below the $1 mark again.[/sarcasm] I suppose that's why its now $2.20 per gallon now.

4. I'm not completely familiar with the Kyoto accords, but if there are any provisions where countries that are large polluters are fined and other countries get funds, then I can see where its a wealth distribution system.


Well said.

Wasn't it Lenin that said the best way to destroy the middle-class was through taxation and inflation?

Ric - The BBC did have Michael Moore on (Moron?) during the last election to provide commentary. Very....unbiased....of...them. Talk to me when they have Sean Hannity on and I'll call them at least fair.

Ric - Which English newspaper had a headline of "How can 155 million people be so dumb?" after Bush won his second term?

Inherent in the power to tax is the power to destroy.

And I think accusing the US of contributing to 50% of the world's pollution is a reach. Go to central asia if you need convincing of that...or what about the old Soviet Bloc states? How does allowing these places to slide while our businesses take the lion's share of the burden help? Can people be taxed into prosperity? Do we pollute? Yes. 50% world total?...please.

"It takes a villiage" to feed Michael Moore...Don't know who said it but I like it.

I'm withdrawing from any further debate, as it seems anything I say escalates things further. The last thing I want is to bring controversy to this board, where I've gotten a lot of laughs for several months now.
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C'mon Jedisage! We havent had a good political debate since the election!

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I'm withdrawing from any further debate, as it seems anything I say escalates things further. The last thing I want is to bring controversy to this board, where I've gotten a lot of laughs for several months now.


Good point, and with a sigh, I also withdraw. I can see that I am clearly wasting my time.

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This is all I have to reply:

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Man, you guys are really going to hate my guts when I start writing a column for the new site.
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Well... ummm... shouldn't your column be related to the world of scifi? I guess I can see that politics could be incorporated if you were to tackle a topic like "Bush's Exit Strategy in Iraq is Sheer Science Fiction" but otherwise.
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Well... ummm... shouldn't your column be related to the world of scifi? I guess I can see that politics could be incorporated if you were to tackle a topic like "Bush's Exit Strategy in Iraq is Sheer Science Fiction" but otherwise.


LOL...Yes, it will be SciFi related. However, as you can probably see even my grocery list can be controversial.
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Well I'll stick to anime, but I'll talk about controversial anime...
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Well I'll stick to anime, but I'll talk about controversial anime...


LOL...actually, I've been wanting to start to get into Manga, Anime, etc; Can you recommend anything good? I've heard about one called Ghost in the Shell. Unfortunately, the only things I've seen that I'm not sure can be considered anime are the old Voltron cartoons in the US, and the short in Kill Bill Vol1.

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I'm withdrawing from any further debate, as it seems anything I say escalates things further. The last thing I want is to bring controversy to this board, where I've gotten a lot of laughs for several months now.


Good point, and with a sigh, I also withdraw. I can see that I am clearly wasting my time.

Just wanted to point out something happened to the quote...I didn't say that, Jedisage did.
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I'm withdrawing from any further debate, as it seems anything I say escalates things further. The last thing I want is to bring controversy to this board, where I've gotten a lot of laughs for several months now.


Good point, and with a sigh, I also withdraw. I can see that I am clearly wasting my time.

Just wanted to point out something happened to the quote...I didn't say that, Jedisage did.


Wow...how did that happen? Didn't even notice.

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I've been wanting to start to get into Manga, Anime, etc; Can you recommend anything good? I've heard about one called Ghost in the Shell. Unfortunately, the only things I've seen that I'm not sure can be considered anime are the old Voltron cartoons in the US, and the short in Kill Bill Vol1.



I was quite the Gunsmith Cats fan back in the day. Good stuff. Not scifi at all. But definitely Manga and Anime considering it was a comic book/graphic novel and an animated short film. Female bounty hunters in Chicago. How can you go wrong?
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Well I'll stick to anime, but I'll talk about controversial anime...


LOL...actually, I've been wanting to start to get into Manga, Anime, etc; Can you recommend anything good? I've heard about one called Ghost in the Shell. Unfortunately, the only things I've seen that I'm not sure can be considered anime are the old Voltron cartoons in the US, and the short in Kill Bill Vol1.



OK I'd recomend some stuff by Hayao Miyazaki first (Nausicaa, Spirited Away, Grave of the Fireflies, maybe Future Boy Conan if you prefer something more like a family-oriented fun series). Than I'd either move to Tezuka or go straight to "Akira". After that, Ghost in the Shell, and then you'll be ready for the real stuff: Cowboy Bebop, and GAINAX masterpices: FLCL, Wings of Honeimase, and finally... Neon Genesis Evangelion, the holy grail of anime.

If you don't have the time, go straight to Neon Genesis Evangelion.
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I tried to watch Evangelion and I couldnt' really get into it. Maybe if I could start at the begining.

But Nausicaa is great. Just don't watch it in the same room with Rush Limbaugh.

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I tried to watch Evangelion and I couldnt' really get into it. Maybe if I could start at the begining.

But Nausicaa is great. Just don't watch it in the same room with Rush Limbaugh.


LOL why not? I'm pretty sure he'll enjoy it.

And about Evangelion: yeah, based on what I know you liked and disliked, I wouldn't recomend Evangelion to you. I'd rather recomend Naruto. Have you seen it?
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LOL why not? I'm pretty sure he'll enjoy it.


If he could turn of his skepticism of environmentalism and just enjoy the movie for what it is, then yeah, I'm sure he would. I'm proof you can be as against the wacko-gaia-worshiping-tree-hugging punch as one can be and still enjoy Nausicaa.

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And about Evangelion: yeah, based on what I know you liked and disliked, I wouldn't recomend Evangelion to you. I'd rather recomend Naruto. Have you seen it?


1) That's an interesting thing to say. I couldn't get into Evangelion because I coulnd't understand what was going on, as it wasn't anywhere near the first episode, and I had no clue who was who. Plus the acting was flat. Not bad like Yugioh or Season 3 of DBZ, but just flat.

2)I have the first 2 episodes of Naruto downloaded onto my computer. I can't watch them in sound, though, because my dad's computer, which does have sound, doesnt' have a fast enough connection do download the right video codec. From what I saw (and didn't hear ) of the first episode, it looked pretty cool, though. It has been liscensed, so it will probably show up here on CN eventually. I just hope the dub isn't butchered.

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Yes I've read Naruto was licensed in america, not sure by who... Unfortunally I'm positively sure it'll be butchered, I don't think Jiraya's perversions and Naruto's "Sexy no Jutsu" are OK for american audiences
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Sexy no justsu?

You mean when he transforms into the "Blonde Babe"??? Yeah. That might get cut.
But as long as the story,music, ect isn't altered and the voices don't suck, I think I'll be happy.

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Sexy no justsu?

You mean when he transforms into the "Blonde Babe"??? Yeah. That might get cut.
But as long as the story,music, ect isn't altered and the voices don't suck, I think I'll be happy.


It's very Dragon Ball-esque, it's funny, the characters are well developed, the animation is quite good, and it features one of my favorite villains... Gaara... my avatar!
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I figured that guy was some Gainax character.

Anyway, I'll be looking out for it. When Cartoon network first started advertising Zatch Bell, I thought it might be Naruto. But unfortunately it wasn't. I still can't believe the woman playing the puppet is JIMMY NEUTRON! That is so wrong!

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