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Originally posted by: greencapt


Lesser movies have been reshot entirely when a major cast member or director didn't work out.

Like back to the future. Can you imagine that movie with Eric Stoltz instead of Micheal J. Fox?

On the subject, I have to disagree with Mictantecutli. Most of the PT actors are at least decent and some of them great actors in their other roles. I think it's mostly the dialogue. I mean.. Some of it doesn't even make any sense...

Example

ObiWan: Besides. Your sense aren't as attuned to my own.

Anikan: And yours are?

Obiwan: Possibly.


Possilby? How could his sense not be attuned to his own senses? Does any of that exchange make change?

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Originally posted by: Mictantecutli
Stop blaming Lucas for the ineptitude of lousy "actors". He didn't make Christensen, Lloyd or Portman stink - they do it themselves. Was Alec Guinness bad in the OT? Is Ewan MacGregor bad in the PT? Is Liam Neeson bad? How about Ian McDiarmid? Christopher Lee? Hell, Ray Parks isn't a Shakespearian thespian, and yet he was five hundred times better in TPM than all MTV-made "stars" are in any film they infect.


I don't think any of them were particularly good, to be honest. All of them were restrained from other acting roles I've seen them in. No, not all of them are great actors. But this is far from a good acting gig. Not a single acting job was up to any snuff in my book. Hence why I blame Lucas. And, yes, I will continue to blame him because I think it's his fault. DEAL WITH IT.
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The more I think about it, the more I think it is the people around Lucas and the actors rather than Lucas and the actors themselves.

All directors and writers can and do make crappy dialogue, all actors can and do mess up a line or two.

Remember that filmaking is not just about the Directors and the Actors exclusively, there are a hundred other people that could possible shoulder more blame than Lucas himself: Screenplay writers and the dialogue coach that they may have had on the set of I and II(they must have had someone give them advice other than George, only they weren't officially "dialogue coaches").
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Ewan McGregor is probably one of the most diverse and talented actors today. He is a 'real' actor in the Alec Guinness mould. And I still cringe when I see him in the Prequels.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Ewan McGregor is probably one of the most diverse and talented actors today. He is a 'real' actor in the Alec Guinness mould. And I still cringe when I see him in the Prequels.


I have the feeling that *Ewan* cringes when he sees himself in the prequels...
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Remember that filmaking is not just about the Directors and the Actors exclusively, there are a hundred other people that could possible shoulder more blame than Lucas himself: Screenplay writers and the dialogue coach that they may have had on the set of I and II(they must have had someone give them advice other than George, only they weren't officially "dialogue coaches").


Okay, I can agree with that. However, if there are foul ups, it's the responsibility of the director to call them on it and then have it fixed. We all know what a self-proclaimed "perfectionist" GL claims to be. We all know he demands numerous reshoots. In my mind, this is GL calling his cast and crew on foul ups and directing them to do a better job (at least, a "better job" in his mind). So, the resulting movies are his best effort at directing a cast and crew of hundreds, maybe even thousands, to produce the end result he so desires. If these are his "end results," then it's obvious his directing is lacking.
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"We all know he demands numerous reshoots."

Yes, but the majority of these tend to occur 20 years later.

For the most part, he's usually in a hurry to get the shooting over with and get to the editing room.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"We all know he demands numerous reshoots."

Yes, but the majority of these tend to occur 20 years later.

For the most part, he's usually in a hurry to get the shooting over with and get to the editing room.


I like the first line. Good stuff.

And, yes, he tends to hurry, but he has been known to reshoot what he can't digitally alter in said editing room. And he's also known for correcting mistakes made by doing so in an editing room. Maybe if he rushed less and paid attention to detail more (say like Peter Jackson during the LOTR shoots), we'd have better quality movies. I can't slag ROTS as it hasn't come out yet. But I can definitely slag TPM and even parts of AOTC which I liked a lot more.
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Sometimes I think that Lucas just has no sense at all of how people sound.

How could he possibly think that McGregor's laugh in the elevator scene sounded natural, or that the dialogue between Padme and Anakin felt real? Maybe he's become tone deaf. I know some of Er...what's his name's earlier line reads as Yoda sounded better than the ones in the film.

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You do know that Lucas occasionally mispronounces the names of characters and planets in his films, right? Maybe he just can't hear himself.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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1- I feel like Ewan hated working on 90% of the films he has made.

2- McGregor's laugh on that elevator scene was suppose to "mimick" Alec Guiness, I think it was ok... You're right about the Padme/Anakin dialogue, though. Maybe he should have said "faster, more intense".

3- Really, he mispronounces the names? What did he mispronounced?
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I think he was in an interview pronouncing "Count Dooku"

"Dokuu"...

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"3- Really, he mispronounces the names? What did he mispronounced? "

At least every other documentary I've seen him in. Watch some of the old "Making of"s for the OT. It's pretty funny.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Maybe he hasn't decided on how he wants them pronounced yet.

But when he does, rest assured we will have new special editions with Re-dubbed lines.
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
But at least it's better than looking like Hayden Christensen.



You'd kill to look like Hayden Christensen.

I don't think he looks all that bad really. Maybe not cute as he was perceived in TPM.
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
But at least it's better than looking like Hayden Christensen.



You'd kill to look like Hayden Christensen.

I don't think he looks all that bad really. Maybe not cute as he was perceived in TPM.


I think Solo vs Jones meant his demeanor rather than his face itself. But then again, SvJ does have some a questionable history of his percpetion of Aesthetics. Remember when he thought Bonnie what's her name that played Beru WHitesun looked hotter than Natalie Portman, even though she had a light mustache.

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1- I feel like Ewan hated working on 90% of the films he has made.


Well he has spoken out against the resulting film versions of TPM and AOTC. But I wonder if that's just PR propagandizing because he always follows each gripe with praise for the upcoming film. And each gripe is timed just a few months before the release of the next film. Go fig, eh?
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1- I feel like Ewan hated working on 90% of the films he has made.


Well he has spoken out against the resulting film versions of TPM and AOTC. But I wonder if that's just PR propagandizing because he always follows each gripe with praise for the upcoming film. And each gripe is timed just a few months before the release of the next film. Go fig, eh?


I think he has the "Donald Pleasence" syndrom, who absolutely hated every single film he was on, claiming he only did it for money. Of course it's for money, those are actors! That's their jobs!
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Yeah, but it would just be a Ewan/SW Syndrome since he hasn't spoken out against his other flicks. He hated the process of acting against a blue screen in TPM, got used to it in AOTC but hated how the film lacked enough fight scenes. Yeah, okay. I would think that argument would be more applicable in TPM considering how non-action oriented that film was.
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Not only SW. I remember Ewan bashing "Big Fish".
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BTW, I'd kill to look like Hayden.
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I'd kill to be in the peace corps.
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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I'ts a good thing I didn't have any liquids in my mouth when I read that.

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