yaboykevin01

Downloaded it. Thanks!

Ah, well, that torpedoes that theory. Very strange that there would be two versions of the film in circulation during its theatrical run even though there weren’t really any differing formats of the film. Star Wars, for instance, had the 35mm/70mm/mono, Attack of the Clones had 35mm/digital, etc., but digital cinema had already long been the standard in the vast majority of theaters by 2015. Could Lucasfilm have just been shipping out two different versions of the DCP at random, or is there a pattern here?

So rather than the German Blu-Ray audio, we know that at least one German theatrical version of the film contained the alternate sound effects (if the line-in audio/leaked BD video splice theory is to be believed). Interesting. I’m starting to wonder if these variations were made for international versions. Most of the English theatrical recordings that none listed earlier contain the same sound effects as the English Blu-Ray, whereas the alternate effects are present on many foreign versions.

To make things even more confusing, it looks like the BB-8 “sneeze” that none mentioned and the audible line from Bazine Netal don’t always coincide. Some recordings have one, some have both, some have neither. Interestingly, the German Blu-Ray has both, according to none.

Is it possible they might have been screening the home video version, or do you think they were showing it directly off a theatrical print or DCP?

Very interesting! Did this performance take place during the film’s theatrical run?

Interesting. Do you know what country that recording is from, or what format the screening was? (2D, 3D, IMAX, etc.) That might give some insight into which versions have which sound effects.

What’s a TC print? I’m not very knowledgeable about this type of thing.

none said:

there is something there but it is all base, a low ‘woOoo’.

Yeah, I’m hearing it on the Movies Anywhere digital copy too. It’s very quiet, but it’s there. Not hearing anything from the First Order spy in Maz’s bar, though.

All right, I finished my breakdown of the end credits music. I’ve separated each track into sections and determined the running time of each section.

FYC “The Jedi Steps and Finale” (9:58)

• The Jedi Steps [0:00 - 1:37] (1:37)
• The Force Theme [1:38 - 2:11] (0:33)
• Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:12 - 2:20] (0:08)
• Rebel Fanfare [2:21 - 2:31] (0:10)
• Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:32 - 2:57] (0:25)
• Rey’s Theme [2:58 - 4:10] (1:12)
• Kylo Ren’s Theme [4:11 - 4:55] (0:44)
• Pursuit Theme [4:56 - 6:04] (1:08)
• March of the Resistance [6:05 - 8:34] (2:29)
• Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [8:35 - 9:14] (0:39)
• Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [9:15 - 9:31] (0:16)
• Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [9:32 - 9:39] (0:07)
• Final Chord + Luke’s Theme [9:40 - 9:58] (0:16)

OST “The Jedi Steps and Finale” (8:52) (Source: Spotify)

• The Jedi Steps [0:00 - 1:37] (1:37)
• The Force Theme [1:38 - 2:11] (0:33)
• Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:12 - 2:21] (0:09)
• Rebel Fanfare [2:22 - 2:32] (0:10)
• Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:33 - 2:57] (0:25)
• Rey’s Theme [2:58 - 4:10] (1:12)
• Kylo Ren’s Theme [4:11 - 4:55] (0:44)
• Pursuit Theme [4:56 - 6:04] (1:08)
• March of the Resistance [6:05 - 7:26] (1:21)
• Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [7:27 - 8:05] (0:38)
• Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [8:06 - 8:23] (0:17)
• Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [8:24 - 8:31] (0:07)
• Final Chord + Luke’s Theme [8:32 - 8:48] (0:16)

Blu-Ray/Digital (12:41 of music) (Source: Movies Anywhere. I can determine whether the digital version matches the Blu-Ray this weekend. I strongly suspect it does.) (EDIT 2/2/2020: It does match. The copy I used to check was the standard Blu-Ray disc from the American Collector’s Edition 3D Blu-Ray box set. If anybody comes up with another home video release that differs from this breakdown, PM me.)

• The Jedi Steps [2:04:55 - 2:06:31] (1:36)
• The Force Theme [2:06:32 - 2:07:05] (0:33)
• Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:06 - 2:07:15] (0:09)
• Rebel Fanfare [2:07:16 - 2:07:26) (0:10)
• Luke’s Theme / Main Theme [2:07:27 - 2:07:51] (0:24)
• Rey’s Theme [2:07:52 - 2:10:11] (2:19)
• Scherzo for X-Wings [2:10:12 - 2:11:51] (1:39)
• Kylo Ren’s Theme [2:11:52 - 2:12:35] (0:43)
• Pursuit Theme [2:12:36 - 2:13:44] (1:08)
• March of the Resistance [2:13:45 - 2:16:14) (2:29)
• Force Theme + Rey’s Theme [2:16:15 - 2:16:54] (0:39)
• Rebel Fanfare + Ascending Tones [2:16:55 - 2:17:12] (0:17)
• Rey’s Theme (Bars 3 and 4) [2:17:13-2:17:19] (0:06)
• Final Chord + Luke’s Theme [2:17:20 - 2:17:36] (0:16)
• Bad Robot / Lucasfilm Logos [2:17:37 - 2:18:02] (0:25)

To summarize the differences:

• Rey’s Theme is extended by about 1:07 on the digital/Blu-Ray compared to the FYC and OST.
• The digital/Blu-Ray inserts Scherzo for X-Wings between Rey’s Theme and Kylo Ren’s Theme. Scherzo for X-Wings is absent on the FYC and OST.
• March of the Resistance is shortened by about 1:08 on the OST compared with the FYC and digital/Blu-Ray.

Bottom line: if the FYC is actually what played over the theatrical version’s credits, then the Blu-Ray has to have been extended by ~2:43 - 2:46, lining up nicely with the reports of a three-minute credits extension. That’s a big “if,” though, so I need corroboration from someone who has access to a theatrical copy that includes the credits (if such a copy exists).

In the thread that schorman13 linked, there’s some discussion about whether the missing sound effects might have been part of the Dolby Atmos mix. Is there any way to confirm that? I would think we’d have to have the actual audio track from an Atmos-equipped theater presentation.

Thanks to oojason for unlocking this thread.

I wanted to revive this thread because I recently became curious about the changes made to TFA on its home video release, but some of the questions posed in this thread never received definitive answers. For instance:

• In the theatrical version, does BB-8 actually make a beeping noise in the close-up shot during the escape from Jakku?
• Were the credits and music actually extended by 3 minutes on the home video release? (This is the one I’m most interested in. I plan to do a breakdown/comparison of the FYC, OST, and Blu-Ray end credits suites, to be posted in this thread shortly.)
• In the theatrical version, does Bazine Netal (the First Order spy in Maz’s bar) actually whisper to Grummgar (her companion) audibly? (I remember reading that there was some discrepancy between theatrical and home video, but I don’t actually remember where I read this. When I Googled it, all I found was myself asking the same question on this site three years ago, hahaha)

With the trilogy over and TFA long since available for purchase, I’m hoping we can verify any alterations.

I found this bit about early changes on this Wookieepedia page.

The earliest edits to the original film occurred between the initial release in May and the wider release later in 1977. The edits are minor, but noticeable. They consist of four changes. All of these changes were made before the foreign language prints were made later in 1977 and well before the last good interpositive was struck in 1985. These four shots run exactly the same length. All of them exist in the earliest bootleg video tapes and in the English 16 mm print. The original three effects shots exist in many home video English language versions released during the 80’s. None of these shots are found in the Definitive Edition, Faces Edition, or 2006 bonus discs, nor are they in any of the known extant 35 mm prints, or Technicolor prints.

• When the Millennium Falcon is being chased after taking off from Mos Eisley, the effects shot where the Star Destroyer is shooting at the Falcon was changed. The early version has different explosions and different flashes and looks less finished.
• When the heroes arrive on Yavin 4, the outdoor composited shot with the matte painting of the temple is recomposited and is not synced the same. It also has an artifact in the image.
• When the fighters take off from Yavin 4, there is an extra cloud and the shot is not synced the same. It also has an artifact in the image.
• The scrolling end credits are completely redone with the spacing, both vertical and horizontal, altered and a glitch in composition at the beginning has been removed.

This is the first I’m hearing of this. The article mentions that these only exist in the earliest bootleg tapes and the English 16mm print. Does Puggo Grande contain the early version shots? If not, where can I obtain this version of the film?

It refers to the website MySpleen, a private torrent tracker that hosts a large selection of Star Wars fan preservations and edits. Due to status in the legal gray area, it’s poor form on this forum to discuss MySpleen openly, so sometimes you’ll see euphemisms like this.

Question from the uninitiated - are bans permanent? This place wouldn’t be the same without TV’s Frink.

I’m looking for a list of differences, audio and visual, between the theatrical version of The Force Awakens and the Blu-Ray/DVD version as well as a similar list of differences between Rogue One’s theatrical and Blu-Ray/DVD versions. Could anyone give me or point me to such a list? I’ve sifted through a few pages of old threads here on this forum, but I haven’t encountered anything definitive other than a few unsubstantiated claims about The Force Awakens. Among the purported differences I’ve seen are

• BB-8 making a bleep-bloop sound in his closeup shot during Rey and Finn’s escape from Jakku
• a difference in the flags in the establishing shot of Maz Kanata’s bar on Takodana
• the female alien spy in the bar whispering audibly instead of silently
• a different credits sequence wherein the music is different (I’ve heard something about the Oscar consideration soundtrack) and the credits sequence is extended by three minutes

I haven’t read about any such differences for Rogue One.

Can anyone confirm or deny that such changes exist, along with any others I may not have heard about? Can anyone tell me where to obtain a copy of the theatrical versions of both films? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

CatBus said:

yaboykevin01 said:

What is the difference between the 5.1 1980 mix and the 2.0 1980 mix? Are there any content differences, or are they just mixed through more channels?

Also, does the 16mm mono track differ from those two in any way?

And unlike Jedi, we know that there are content differences from the six-channel mix, but the six-channel mix didn’t apply to this cut of the film.

Which cut of the film does the six-channel mix apply to? And where can I find a list of differences between the original stereo and the six-channel mix?

What is the difference between the 5.1 1980 mix and the 2.0 1980 mix? Are there any content differences, or are they just mixed through more channels?

Also, does the 16mm mono track differ from those two in any way?

CatBus said:

yaboykevin01 said:

CatBus said:

No video preservation that I know of has the full 70mm audio, since no preservation has the 70mm video. Even then, we’d be talking mono tracks from in-theatre recordings or reconstructed from the 8mm digest. It’d be pretty ugly, although maybe possible if you wanted mismatched audio badly enough.

Didn’t morgands1 preserve a tape recording of The Empire Strikes Back from a 70mm showing in 1980?

EDIT: A recording of the audio, not the video.

That’s what I meant by a mono in-theatre recording. Yes, it’s technically possible, but it’s a pretty odd request. The 35mm video was never shown with 70mm audio, so it wouldn’t be so much a preservation as a fan-edit. And the result wouldn’t sound very good either, so I suppose that’s why nobody’s jumped on it: i.e. it’s a custom version of Empire that’s not the least bit authentic and also sounds bad.

It sure would be great to find a 70mm print of Empire.

Ryan-SWI said:

“that fat slug that got stepped on”

They never even managed to make that part look remotely convincing, either. If you look closely, Han literally levitates behind Jabba, and it’s really kind of funny.

CatBus said:

No video preservation that I know of has the full 70mm audio, since no preservation has the 70mm video. Even then, we’d be talking mono tracks from in-theatre recordings or reconstructed from the 8mm digest. It’d be pretty ugly, although maybe possible if you wanted mismatched audio badly enough.

Didn’t morgands1 preserve a tape recording of The Empire Strikes Back from a 70mm showing in 1980?

EDIT: A recording of the audio, not the video.

Harmy said:

TRACK  1) 5.1   DTS-HD-MA   [English]        (1980 mix)

TRACK  2) 2.0   DTS-HD-MA   [English]        (1980 mix)

TRACK  3) 1.0   DTS-HD-MA   [English]        (1980 16mm mono mix)

I know there were three different 1980 mixes (the 35mm, the 70mm, and the 16mm), but I’m unclear here. Does this release include both the 35mm and the 70mm audio tracks?

TV’s Frink said:

yaboykevin01 said:

They should at least add subtitles.

That was your big problem with it?

That was mostly intended humorously, although wouldn’t you like to know what the heck they’re saying? 😂

For me, it has to be Jedi Rocks. Having watched the 2004 DVDs as a child, nothing particularly is too egregious, but every time Jedi Rocks comes on while I’m watching with my family, I feel really uncomfortable. It’s just stupid. They should at least add subtitles.

I like the idea of the Jabba scene in A New Hope. I don’t think it detracts too much from the rest of the film, and it adds a little backstory to Han and Chewie. However, I’m glad it wasn’t included in the 1977 release. With the limited technology of the time, Jabba could have turned out looking a whole lot worse than what we saw in 1997 (shudder), and a silly-looking Jabba could have made the movie look like a stupid, low-budget, science fiction exploitation movie.