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FrankT said:

Colson said:
(2) A hypothetical transfer of this print with all detail and color intact, but without the grain

Is that even possible?

I think what he was getting at was similar to what I was saying I might try - a SW Legacy type restoration basically scrubbing (though that isn’t the right word) the print grain out, leaving just the original 65mm grain structure intact.

True - however, a lot of people (most of the population, in fact) saw 2001 in the 35mm version, so regardless of grain structure (which, while being the same size in 65mm film, appears smaller due to the larger size of the image) the 35mm in my opinion represents a different experience - much like the SW 35mm vs 70mm experience.

That might be an option as well. I still think a 35mm transfer is useful.

Here’s the response: “correct, top and bottom of the 35mm reductions are slightly cropped. i’m amazed how much incompetence went into home video releases sometimes. cropping an already cropped image further to achieve the correct aspect ratio just boggles the mind. i guess that’s what also happened with bttf on the first letterbox releses from great britain.”

Hmmm. No I don’t, but I’ll ask and get back to you.

Yes, please be sure to check the other thread - I will be posting samples and screenshots as I get them from the scanner!

That’s a great question - if you wanted to donate new HDDs that would be great! PM me for more information.

Thanks, Spaced Ranger!

Definitely - this is one of those important details that could get lost to history if we don’t preserve it now. Any donation, no matter how large or small, will help this release immensely.

I guess I should clarify - release print grain is different from negative grain. When they shoot the original negative, the film stock they use has a certain grain pattern to it. In 2001s case, they shot on 65mm film stock. Working with 65mm film is incredibly different from working with 35mm, in that the actual size of the frame is so large that the grain seems smaller. On each of these prints (the 35mm I am having scanned) there is generational grain between the original negative and the much smaller release prints. That is just extra grain on the image - it’s not part of the original camera work at all. It occurred to me that I probably won’t want to watch it without 35mm grain either 😃 , so I’m amending my original release to have a 1080p version which keeps the original 35mm grain.

I have two original release prints of 2001, with the magnetic 4 track audio. They are red-faded (unfortunately) but have all of the original leaders, and represents the film in its entirety as seen in 1968. One print is entirely complete, while the other is missing some footage. I’d love to donate it to the community to have scanned and preserved, but can’t really afford the shipping/scanning costs.

The significance of these prints will be the preservation of the original 4 track magnetic sound, as well as the theatrical mono optical soundtrack (preserving each of those for the first time, to my knowledge), and the fact that we will be using 2 prints for damage fixes will ensure that some of the release print grain and scratches can be removed, getting us closer to what the original negative looked like (in the same way as Star Wars Legacy). The prints are being scanned in 4k, which I believe future-proofs them for many years to come. This is additionally important as both films are in the early stages of Vinegar Syndrome, and are starting to break back down into their original acetate.

While I originally only owned one print, I recently purchased a second print. These are extremely rare reels, and the opportunity should not be passed up. In order to make this happen, we will have to raise funds for the cleaning, scanning, HDDS, as well as the purchase of the second print. Remember, while the scanning costs will be approximately $1600 plus HDDs, any donation amount helps. PM me for details.

As soon as scanning is finished, I’d like to make a “Grindhouse” version available, in 1080p, followed by the cleaned-up release in 4k and 1080p. Please help preserve this film before the prints are beyond scanning!

DONATIONS - Total $409
$35 - anonymous
$50 - alexp120
$5 - valien
$200 - anonymous
$50 - anonymous
$60 - FrankT
$9 - anonymous

Sorry for the lack of info - I was recently bidding on a print of 2001 to combine with my existing mag, original release print of 2001. Needless to say, I originally lost it, only to have a second chance offer come up. I am having two prints scanned, so would definitely appreciate the help for scanning and print acquisition costs.

I have the option to buy that second 2001 print for 305 plus shipping. Can some people help chip in a bit?

Yes, I believe so.

I have this unedited on 16mm for what it’s worth…

Peter -

Incredibly sad to read, and you will be missed. You were always a help to all of us and will leave a void that we will all feel. I agree - family comes first. I echo the others in saying that I feel privileged to have been witness to some of your incredible work.

Thanks for the memory -

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Cool! Thanks so much, poita!!

That's so cool, Mike. Awesome experience for a kid, and one he'll remember forever... :)

Your hat is next to your walker, poita... haha :)

In all seriousness, though, I follow a lot of the sentiments of the "older" generation here...

I haven't seen a lot of those, but will cue them up on Netflix... Actually, a lot of the VFX for Pan's Labyrinth were done within like 5 miles of me... Was kind of a big deal at the time. Now, not so much, but still. :)  I think I'm just jaded about the '00s because I was a pesky teenager at the time. lol

Really? Well, I won't hold it against you... lol

To be fair, I never saw it. Was it really that good?

Yeah, those stupid, sucky movies. I long for the good ol' '00s, with classic films like "Battleship," "Transformers," and any of the "Fast and Furious" franchise... :)

Yeah, that has nothing to do with the SotS we're working with...

I thought that was a Steenbeck! Too cool! If I could only own one piece of really cool film equip it would be that - so many classic films edited on one of those....

Jeez... Lifestyles of the rich and famous! :)

BTW, is that first thing an editor?

Frink, is that your first album cover as your avatar?

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