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#1078796
Topic
Criterion-like box set for njvc's custom blu-ray set
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ShadyGFella said:

Wow, thanks a lot. Great information. This would be my first attempt so I’m going to try to soak that all in and start on supplies. Pics would be super helpful.

Also, can you tell me where you were able to purches the 17mm 3 disc Criterion type case? Another idea of mine was just place the entire trilogy in one of those cases and looking for cover art that would correctly fill the 17mm size.

Hmm… I got my cases from Casetopia.com

It looks like they do not have the 17mm/3disc Criterion discs listed right now. I have sent an email to them to see if they are just out of stock or if they no longer carry them.

I would like to stock up on some more 3-disc cases for these and other projects.

As for the inserts, I just ended up using stealthboy’s 14mm covers as my basis. I had planned on expanding them slightly, but was pleased enough with my tests that the 14mm covers worked well enough that I didn’t bother with any changes.

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#1078786
Topic
Criterion-like box set for njvc's custom blu-ray set
Time

ShadyGFella said:

Hey everybody. This criterion set looks absolutely amazing. My main issue is trying to construct a box to hold my blu cases. Can anybody advise how they went about making theirs? Material? How to thread?

Also, I know selling the discs is frowned upon but is anybody making the boxes for sale?

Thanks
Mike

I have the materials and interest to do one more copy of my box set, and I was thinking of documenting the construction process and posting details along with step-by-step photos here in the technical forum.

I will try to do that this weekend if I get a chance.

Here is the shorthand version of what I arrived at after about a half dozen different variations of box construction and covering.

Materials:
HP glossy brochure paper (8.5x11) - three sheets necessary to cover my size box
100pt (2.5mm) chipboard 8.5x11 sheets - two sheets necessary to provide the 5 sides of the box
standard 2" masking tape roll to build the box
1/2 inch Scotch permanent double-sided tape to adhere the covering to the box

Tools:
cutting mat
Fiskars rotary cutting tool
steel ruler with millimeter markings
clear straightedge for aligning cuts

My box set is 3x 17mm criterion cases (3-disc cases) + 1x 14mm criterion case (2-disc case)

Through experimentation, I found that with coverings taking up some space, I prefer to have the interior pieces (top, bottom, spine) be 71+ mm in width (I typically will slightly overshoot the 71mm marking intentionally). This allows the individual blu-ray cases to slide in and out easily, but not flop around or fall out unintentionally.

My 5 pieces of the box are
2 sides: 177mm x 138mm
2 top/bottom pieces: 135mm x 71mm
1 spine: 177mm x 71mm

My covering is three pieces:

1 piece that covers the spine and folds over/overlaps onto the top/bottom/sides by several mm
1 piece that covers the top/front
1 piece that covers the back/bottom

After many unsuccessful and dissatisfying attempts to find an acceptable method for adhering the cover, I ended up using double-sided tape instead of glue. It took just a couple of tries to work out the best way to use the double sided tape.

General procedure is:

  1. Cut out materials

  2. Assemble the box using masking tape on the outside edges of the 8 seams between the 5 pieces

  3. starting with the spine covering use the double-sided tape to attach the cover. On the spine, overlap the tape so 1/4 inch is on the spine, and 1/4 in is on each of the other faces of the box. Fold the spine piece so that it runs over the edge and onto each of the other faces - held in place there by the tape.

  4. Starting with the top of the box, put double-sided tape on the 4 edges of the top. DO NOT overlap this tape. The full half inch of tape should be on the top surface of the box - all the way around the four edges of the top

  5. Align the front/top cover piece with the front face of the box so that the top portion is in the correct place and THEN fold over and press to adhere the top in place. (This will leave you with the front “loose” so you can later go back and add tape there.

  6. Repeat the same procedure on the bottom of the box with the bottom/back cover piece. You will end up with the covering adhered to the spine/top/bottom.

  7. The top/front piece and the bottom/back piece also have a small (about 8-10mm) additional area that will extend past the edge of the top or bottom. This piece is designed to be adhered to the bottom edge of the front/top edge of the back so that the main covering is overlapping onto it and completely covering the edge of the box. Using double-faced tape, adhere these flaps down onto their respective faces.

  8. On the back, run double-faced tape around all the edges - including over the flap that was taped down in the previous step, and then carefully fold from the bottom up toward the top and press to adhere the cover to the box. Note that at the top, the double-sided tape should not be quite to the edge, so that there is no tape sticking out… leave it a few millimeters from the top edge.

  9. Repeat the procedure of step 8 to adhere the front of the box cover.

  10. The design of the front/top and back/bottom pieces have flaps of material that extend past the open edges. These are designed to be folded over and run to the inside of the box, covering the edges all the way around. This is the one place where I use glue (just standard Elmer’s Glue All). Cut the flaps at the four corners, fold and glue the flaps inside the box. I normally do the long edges first, and then the short edges. I think this results in a better corner.

That’s it.

I will try to add photos and create a new thread in the technical discussion forum, but this is my procedure in a nutshell.

This was my most challenging part of the project, and I am very pleased with how it ended up, so I’m glad to share what worked for me if it helps someone else out.

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#1078640
Topic
Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
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stealthboy said:

I went the DIY route and am very happy for it. But many of the stock I got in bulk (50 BD discs, 30 Criterion cases, etc). So my up-front costs were high even though per disc it would be cheap.

In order to move some of my extra material, in celebration of the 40th anniversary tomorrow, my desk in my office may just accidentally have 10 backup copies of the Despecialized Star Wars Blu-ray Disc. If those copies were lost to unknown places as co-workers happen to walk by, well then that’s just a damned shame 😃.

Nice!

I also bought extra materials… I made sets for a few close friends who I knew would both love to have the Despecialized edition and all the bonus materials.

I had two extra sets that I ended up giving away as prizes to a Star Wars trivia quiz I created during a backyard screening of the SSE I did this weekend.

Share the wealth, I say.

😃

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#1077466
Topic
Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
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alatizzle said:

wombat_94 said:

alatizzle said:

Captain_Danielsan said:

Hi guys I’m new here and I dont know where to post this. ( no its not an invite request bet thats what you thought. )

There seems to be a guy on eBay with a listing right now for the star wars despecialized trilogy probably with the iso types with menus and hes also including tn1 and harmys 35mm scans as well.

He is claiming that the content is free and that there is an honor system that he abides by. This guy is a joke. He claims that the 200 bucks hes charging is just for the cost of the materials and the time it took him to create the set and edit it together.

When really hea probably done very little editing if hes used nvjcs isos . Also printing to discs and printing out disc inserts isnt too expensive or time consuming.

I estimate what hes done costing him no more than about 40 to 50 dollars not the 200 asking price.

Whichever way he describes it hes selling what he shouldnt be selling. Just a heads up and I have reported him.

I went ahead and made myself a set. It has cost me about 125+ to make with professional printing, buying criterion cases, the blank blu-rays, etc… I asked ronwlim here on the site to see if he could make the same box set that he has produced and he quoted me $200. So to ask for $200 isn’t that unreasonable.

I think you are overestimating his costs. What the listing that Captain_Danielsan mentioned talks about is not a “box set” but just a set of blu-ray/DVD cases with burned/printed discs.

I have completed five copies of my box set and my total costs per set (excluding the box) at this point are as follows:

BD50 x 4 = $8.00
BD25 x 6 = $6.00
DVD9 x 1 = $1.00
Criterion Blu-Ray Cases x 4 = $4.00
Paper = $2.00
Ink = $1.00

Total = $22.00

The materials cost of my slipacase box is probably another $3.00 - 4.00 per set so even if I included that the total would be under $30.00

That is a LOT of markup to get to $190.00 - $200.00 per set on eBay.

However - even if it was just a few dollars of markup that would be too much when the expressed wishes of the fans who created them are that they would be shared for free and never sold for profit.

I don’t know where you are getting your stuff printed, but most places around me that are willing to print them, which most aren’t due to copyright reasons, have a $25 minimum order and I have to go to a specialty place to get the discs printed on and that put me back $40. And the blu-ray cases are not $4.00, after shipping on casetopia.com I paid $22. The discs after shipping cost more than your total. I know these people on eBay are making a profit. But for some it is just easier to have them make it. I did not have a blu-ray burner I went and bought one so I could do so. There is a demand for them and if you can’t figure out the myspleen invite system, it is very hard to find an invite, so I get why people are paying the premium to get these. I almost caved and did so myself. It took me about a month between paychecks to finally finalize one set. I do understand that people here are getting their stuff taken and made a profit on, that sucks, but when you make it so difficult to get the source material people are going to cave and go the easy way and pay money to get it now.

I’m not trying to get in a big fight here, but my pricing is what I paid per set.

I did get some economies of scale because I knew I wanted to make at least 5 sets for myself and to give as gifts.

BD50 printable 25disc spindle was $49.95 = $2.00/disc

BD25 printable 50disc spindle was $21.00 = $0.42/disc

DVD9 printable 50disc spindle was $27.00 = $0.54/disc

Casetopia Criterion BD cases… my total order for enough cases to do at least 6 sets was $41.00 shipped (20 3 disc cases and 10 2 disc cases) = $1.37/case

Ink $18.95 for 4 sets of ink for my printer - I used less than two full sets of ink cartridges for 5+ sets, including lots of experimental printing = about $1.00 per set for ink

Paper - I used very high quality HP double sided glossy brochure paper $39.99 for 150 sheets. Each set as the eBay poster has advertised would take 4 to 5 sheets of paper total: About $1.25

All of these are still the prices you can purchase these items for today. Yes, it would be expensive on a per-set basis if you just purchased enough to make one set, but that is not what the ebay sellers are doing. They are probably buying in more bulk than I did for my project.

Just because you chose to/needed to go with a more expensive route for the production of your set, doesn’t mean that it has to cost that much - and I certainly would expect that the ebayer is not having the printed materials professionally printed. He even talks about the cost of ink in his product description. He’s not getting them professionally printed.

I understand that some people don’t have the expertise, equipment or time needed to produce a set on their own, but for someone who is interested, you don’t have to spend anything like $125 - $200 to get a set for yourself.

Heck, with all of the above costs, I didn’t include the one piece of equipment I did have to purchase to do this project: a new Canon MX922 printer to print the discs and high-quality inkjet prints for the inserts/brochures. That printer cost me $80.00 (and included enough ink for at least one full set), so even if I added that to the out of pocket cost for the first set, I still came in under $110.00

It took me a while to get an invitation to MySpleen in order to download the torrents so I could burn my disc… in the interim while I was waiting, I was posting here, exploring what I wanted my box set to look like, etc.

I was treating this like what it was meant to be… a hobby and a community based around a beloved movie from when I was a kid.

The people who are willing to pay $200 on ebay for a set are the smaller part of the problem. The vast majority of them were never going to come here (or other similar sites online) and seek out these discs.

But it is disingenuous to try to give the ebayers a pass because they are only charging a “reasonable” markup for their efforts. They are selling to an audience that doesn’t know or care about this place and by selling it at all… especially at the profit margins they are making… they are risking waking the sleeping bear of Disney/LucasFilm who have so far not taken any action against these fan projects that definitely violate copyright law.

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#1077413
Topic
Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
Time

alatizzle said:

Captain_Danielsan said:

Hi guys I’m new here and I dont know where to post this. ( no its not an invite request bet thats what you thought. )

There seems to be a guy on eBay with a listing right now for the star wars despecialized trilogy probably with the iso types with menus and hes also including tn1 and harmys 35mm scans as well.

He is claiming that the content is free and that there is an honor system that he abides by. This guy is a joke. He claims that the 200 bucks hes charging is just for the cost of the materials and the time it took him to create the set and edit it together.

When really hea probably done very little editing if hes used nvjcs isos . Also printing to discs and printing out disc inserts isnt too expensive or time consuming.

I estimate what hes done costing him no more than about 40 to 50 dollars not the 200 asking price.

Whichever way he describes it hes selling what he shouldnt be selling. Just a heads up and I have reported him.

I went ahead and made myself a set. It has cost me about 125+ to make with professional printing, buying criterion cases, the blank blu-rays, etc… I asked ronwlim here on the site to see if he could make the same box set that he has produced and he quoted me $200. So to ask for $200 isn’t that unreasonable.

I think you are overestimating his costs. What the listing that Captain_Danielsan mentioned talks about is not a “box set” but just a set of blu-ray/DVD cases with burned/printed discs.

I have completed five copies of my box set and my total costs per set (excluding the box) at this point are as follows:

BD50 x 4 = $8.00
BD25 x 6 = $6.00
DVD9 x 1 = $1.00
Criterion Blu-Ray Cases x 4 = $4.00
Paper = $2.00
Ink = $1.00

Total = $22.00

The materials cost of my slipacase box is probably another $3.00 - 4.00 per set so even if I included that the total would be under $30.00

That is a LOT of markup to get to $190.00 - $200.00 per set on eBay.

However - even if it was just a few dollars of markup that would be too much when the expressed wishes of the fans who created them are that they would be shared for free and never sold for profit.

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#1077114
Topic
Most cost effective disc printing method?
Time

Tyler0013 said:

Did you have templates for the discs? Or do you have to align the image with disc correctly? I have looked into buying one of these printers. And any info is a great help.

I used stealthboy’s Criterion set source files as the basis for my set… I’d say my set was 90 percent untouched from his files that he shared.

I tweaked the wording of a few things, updated the box artwork to add a starfield instead of plain black background on the top/bottom/spine, but otherwise I left it alone. His set is ready to go and is a beautiful presentation of NJVC’s blu-rays and you really don’t have to touch what he did at all if you just want to create the same set as he ended up sharing.

As for alignment when printing discs… I did end up using exported graphics from Gimp for the disc labels themselves and laid them out with the utility that comes with the Canon printer itself. It handled the alignment without flaws. If I had felt like it, I’m sure I could have found the right settings to print on the disc from the Preview app (I’m on a Mac) with just using the exported graphics, but since I had the utility from Canon I just went with that anyway.

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#1077110
Topic
Criterion-like box set for njvc's custom blu-ray set
Time

I had to come back here and say thank you again to stealthboy for sharing not just your ideas, but your source files.

After months of tinkering, experimenting and about a week of production, I have completed my box set (x5 as I am giving away a few sets as part of a Star Wars 40th Anniversary screening in my back yard this weekend)

This is almost identical to your original files, except for a few small tweaks… I updated the flyer for my final configuration of the boxset - 11 discs (3 NJVC feature 50GB blu-rays, 4 NJVC documentary blu-rays, SW SSE and ESB and Jedi Grindhouse blu-rays and a final disc of a DVD of the 1978 holiday special). I also added a 16GB flash drive (which I refer to as the “Stolen Data Tapes” 😃 to each set with supplementary material best enjoyed on a computer - scripts, concept art, poster art, the radio dramatizations and remastered soundtrack albums.

As to the design, the one thing I did have to change was the size of the slipcase since my set ended up needing more space and while I was at it, I replaced the plain black background of the top/bottom/spine with a starfield background that I created while playing with Gimp.

It took me quite a while to come up with a box construction method and way to attach the glossy printed artwork that I was satisfied with. Ultimately I ended up constructing the box with masking tape and attaching the artwork with scotch permanent double sided crafting/scrapbooking tape.

I could not be happier with the final results.

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The “Stolen Data Tapes” thumb drive fits under the tab that normally holds the paper flyer in my fourth blu-ray case for supplemental materials.

Finally… here are all five sets ready for this weekend. One set is for me to keep. Three are gifts for very close friends and I think I will now use my “spare” set as a prize for whoever gets the highest score on a Star Wars trivia quiz I am going to hand out at my 40th anniversary backyard screening of Star Wars this weekend.
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Thank you once again, stealthboy. You saved me TONS of time by sharing your source files.

wombat94

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#1077089
Topic
Most cost effective disc printing method?
Time

I had the same thoughts. I found the current Canon Pixma series of printers that will print on discs to be the best solution.

I bought a Pixma MX922 multifunction for about $80 from Amazon along with a set of four full replacement ink cartridges (3rd party) for another ~$20.

For $100 I got a printer that has been excellent for printing both the discs themselves and - when using the right photo paper - the blu-ray case inserts and graphics/pages to cover my home made slipcase boxes.

I just finished last night with the production of 5 full sets of discs… with lots of experimentation over the last couple of months, and several attempts that required me to throw away printed materials I am just barely into the second replacement set of ink, so I would say my total out-of-pocket for the printer and ink is only about $90.

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#1074153
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Question about printer ink
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I had not had an inkjet printer for a number of years before buying a Canon MX922 in order to work on a Despecialized Trilogy set for myself and to create as gifts for a few friends.

When I purchased the MX922, I also researched on Amazon for 3rd party ink. I ended up buying a large multi-pack of ink from the best reviewed manufacturer I could find along with my MX922.

I have been replacing the individual color tanks with the 3rd party ones as the original Canon inks have run out.

I can see no difference in the print quality and so far there have been no issues with the printer operation.

Many years ago, 3rd party inks were of much different quality and could clog the printheads of inkjet printers if you got low quality inks. This was especially when the change was made from larger droplet sizes to picoliter sized drops. The 3rd party manufacturers were not up to speed right away on quality control and their inks were sometimes too viscous and COULD really clog your printheads - especially if the printer was left to sit for long periods of time between prints.

In fact, the latter problem was true for a long time even with ink from the manufacturer. In home use duty cycles where a printer could typically sit for days - or even weeks - between prints, the printheads would dry out and clog. That is why the manufacturers had the ink-head-cleaning cycles available in the printer and their utilities. Most modern inkjets now automatically do ink-head-cleaning periodically when the printer is left unused. This serves the dual purposes of preventing support calls AND using more ink and selling more refills to customer.

In my opinion, what this function also does is make it less risky to use 3rd party inks since there is less chance that the ink will dry and clog.

In any case, with the cost of the printer itself under $100, I think that it is worth the risk to use much less expensive 3rd party ink if the quality of the output is acceptable. When I bought my $75 Canon printer, I added $19 of third party ink (4 complete XL sized sets of 5 cartridges)… that amount of in from Canon directly would cost an additional $400.

If I get even one additional set of cartridges out of the printer’s printhead, I come out ahead of the game on the cost front.

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#1072646
Topic
Princess Leia's Stolen Death Star Plans
Time

I searched (as best I could) and did not see this posted here yet.

The indie band Palette-Swap Ninja released a complete cover of The Beatles “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” this week… telling the story of Star Wars.

Five years in the making and released just in time for the 40th anniversary.

The best thing is the lyric video playlist on Youtube.

The link is on their website.

http://www.paletteswapninja.com/2017/05/01/new-album-princess-leias-stolen-death-star-plans/

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#1051823
Topic
ronwlim's custom bluray cases/box set
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stealthboy said:

dgraham414 said:

So how exactly are you making the boxes themselves sturdy? Me friend and I just made two of your Star Wars boxes but the slip cases that the blu-ray cases go in are very very thin and fragile and honestly I’m afraid I’m going to break them. So for the Indiana Jones one how did you make it so sturdy?

I use a thick cardboard stock called Chipboard. Got some 12x12 black pieces through Amazon. It’s a little over 1mm thick. I cut pieces to size and use paper tape to construct the initial box. I then print the artwork onto photo paper, cut, and use a spray adhesive to attach it to the chipboard box. I’m sure others have a different process, but this works for me.

Do you have a link to the product page on Amazon. After looking locally, I think I am going to have to go with Amazon for ordering chipboard for my boxes.

Thanks

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#1045552
Topic
ronwlim's custom bluray cases/box set
Time

Awesome stuff!

That same youtube video has inspired me to make a clone of the LOTR Extended Edition BR set box for my NJVC collection.

The same basics as that video, plus the outside cover with magnetic catch. I’m just beginning to work out the design/build, but hope to share it when I get it completed.

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#1045519
Topic
Criterion-like box set for njvc's custom blu-ray set
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stealthboy said:

Ok! All source XCF files are up there now. Enjoy!

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/0B1FmaBWRenvTb19faV8yUDhGTVk

Thank you so much!

I did a test print of the ESB disc label and the cover from my new MX922… simply brilliant!

Can’t wait to get my Criterion BD cases that I ordered and build my box. I am planning to create a “clone” of the LOTR Extended Edition Blu-Ray box to hold the discs.

Hopefully, when I’m done, I’ll have something worth sharing back to the community.

I really appreciate the (huge) head start you just gave me by sharing your XCF files.

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#1045457
Topic
Criterion-like box set for njvc's custom blu-ray set
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Thanks very much!

I’ll look forward to the XCF files on your google drive.

By the way… I found a small typo on the ESB cover. In the blurb/description paragraph at the top left of the back…

“Meanwhile, Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) seeks out the ancient Yoda to LEAN the secrets of the Jedi…”

I’m sure you meant learn instead of lean, right?

Thanks again!

Ted

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#1045174
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Criterion-like box set for njvc's custom blu-ray set
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Stealthboy,

In the other thread on box sets you said that you use the Gimp… and might post your raw Gimp files.

Any chance you could do that?

I am putting together a mega set that I want to have for myself and to give to a couple of friends.

I am not sure what I am going to include when all is said and done, but I know it will be at least 10 discs… njvc’s 50GB versions + docu disc + SSE/Grindhouse disc.

There will be at least 1 BD Rom with additional computer-based materials.

Your covers/discs are exactly the look/feel that I want and I’d love to be able to modify/customize/edit for the remaining disc(s) as I put them together.

Thanks,

Ted

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#1039867
Topic
Post in this thread to request an invite to MySpleen.org (you <em>MUST</em> read the first post) UPDATE 10/17 There are NO MySpleen invites being given out at this time.
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Hi all.

Brand new here - well, kind. I’ve been reading as a guest here for a couple of years.

By way of introduction, I’ve been a lifelong Star Wars fan. Saw it the week it opened in our town in 1977 - I was 8 years old.

When I was 11, we got our first VCR and I recorded Star Wars off of Prism (local Philly sports/movie cable channel).

I proceeded to watch it every.single.day after school for the rest of 5th and 6th grades.

Over the years I have purchased at least six copies of the whole original trilogy. First on RCA CED discs, then VHS, then letterbox VHS, then Special Editions VHS, then special editions on DVD, and finally Blu-Ray.

All tolled, I am pretty certain that I have watched Star Wars (in whole or in large part) at least 400 times and Empire and Jedi at least 50 to 100 times each.

I have Harmy’s despecialized editions and they are the only versions that I watch nowadays.

I just found out about njvc’s blu-rays and I would love to add them to my own collection of copies of the movies.

I’m a total newbie here, but I do have somethings that I can contribute to the community.

First, on the subject of torrents and seeding, when I get involved in a torrent community, I absolutely contribute by seeding for a long time. My best example of this is in the MAME community, where I’ve been a longtime member of the pleasuredome tracker. Over at pleasuredome, I have a total of over 3TB of upload for a ratio of +2358.00.

I have a fast FIOS connection and will more than do my part sharing and seeding this amazing work.

As for the fan community itself, I feel like an amateur compared to the work done, but I am willing to contribute in whatever way I can. I do have ancient experience with creating and mastering video discs. Long ago I got into recording video with Tivo (and before than Dish Network Dishplayer) and extracting it and mastering my own discs. Total amateur hour, but I’ve created DVDs of Looney Tunes and Good Eats that I am totally willing to share.

I’m not the most creative guy, but on a technical level I can help test and troubleshoot things and am willing to pitch in in any way I can.

So, short story long, I’d appreciate an invitation to myspleen if any one would consider it.

Thanks in advance.

Ted

EDIT: Forgot to come back and edit this - thanks so much for the invite!

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