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#1164746
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Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD !!!MKV and AVCHD v2.0 NOW AVAILABLE!!!
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Harmy said:

Certainly something to consider - it sucks that we can’t get seamless branching to work properly - I’d love to have one disc where you’d go to the menu and select between the US 1977 Version, US 1981 version or one of the foreign language versions, each with their own crawl, burned in subs and (for some) credits. I’m not sure if we have scans of both but it would be awesome to have both versions of the English credits as well, where one would run with the '77 version and the other with the '81 version.

And then the MKV release would be the US '77 version.

I mean, we can get seamless branching working. Williarob taught me how to do it, and I did have a 2.6 release that worked just fine. His SSE release also works well for most people. We can figure it out.

It’s just that there are going to be a few people with certain hardware or software that end up struggling with it. The main problem with the SSE turned out to be that people could not get it ripped properly to MKV. There were probably a dozen attempts uploaded onto myspleen by various people, for the first couple of months. So there needs to be an official MKV release that settles on a specific branch layout. Afaik, branching MKVs seem to always stutter at branch points, so are not ideal (and again, surely compatibility issues galore).

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#1164232
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Preserving RotS Theatrical Version - Is there any interest?
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Bobson Dugnutt said:

The best version of the theatrical AOTC was Centropy’s version from back in the day. I think it’s only on the Spleen nowadays.
I’d like to see it, but with the invites being shut, I don’t think I will anytime soon.

It’s fine for a reference, but it’s a hideous looking cam recording, of course. There was an svcd as well that seems to be lost to time, but it would just make it a bit less blocky.

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#1164230
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Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD !!!MKV and AVCHD v2.0 NOW AVAILABLE!!!
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Swift S. Lawliet said:

Harmy said:

May the 4th might be realistic.

Yeah.
But I personally wish we can have TESB v2.5 before the home video release of The Last Jedi.

Wow. You were lucky enough to get an actual estimated time frame. With a date that’s fairly soon. Still an ungrateful sounding response, even if you didn’t mean for it to be.

This place blows my mind sometimes.

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#1163902
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NJVC Custom Bluray Set of Harmy’s Despecialized Editions now available on Mega
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RogueDarth said:

I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong, but on the ANH iso chapters and fast forwarding does not work. I have all 82 parts of version 2.7 for BD50 and the md5 file and I tried decompressing them with unarchiver on Mac and had issues with chapters and fast forwarding where the sound would play but the image would not. I tried decompressing the files on Windows with 7zip to see if I would get the same results and I did. Can someone help me figure out what is going on?

What are you using to play it back?

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#1163789
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Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
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yhwx said:

Let’s try to evaluate a situation that one would be in given how people actually think:

  • Option A: Go the route we think of as morally correct. First, one would have to find a way to download these files. Most will opt for the single-file download, as the multi-part wars are way too persnickety for most people to care for. If you are not so lucky as to be blessed with good Internet connection, then this might take a while. Sure, you could go to the public library, but there’s more hurdles than you think there. Firstly, the Internet there might not be any better; secondly, you have to make time for going there. Not all people can do that, there’s things like work and school and family and various other scheduling conflicts. Now, let’s say that you clear this hurdle. Now you need a Blu-ray burner. If you don’t have one already built-in to your computer (most people don’t), then you must buy one. We’re already at a major stumbling block here. People don’t like money being attached to anything. An app that costs five cents is likely to do much worse than an app that’s free, no matter how little the price difference is or how great the difference in quality. But let’s say that you do buy a Blu-ray burner. Now you have to hope that all the software works for it, and learn the software. Pass all these hurdles, and boom, you have your Star Wars disc.

  • Option B: Go the route we think of as morally irresponsible. Let’s lay out the steps for this one: first, have the means to buy a pre-made disk, buy it, and then enjoy. It’s really as simple as buying toilet paper from Amazon, most of the time.

  • Option C: Do nothing. This option is implicit in almost all choices.

Pressed to make a choice, most people would choose option C — that’s what most people do in situations with stakes like these. If one is inclined to do something, option B requires way less effort, for the same reward, so most people would choose that. Remember, most people don’t have the same moral compass we do about these sorts of things.

Any argument that makes the point of “it’s not REALLY that hard” or “this is how you SHOULD think” is missing the point. People don’t think nobly most of the time. It’s true of all of us. It’s just human nature. While yes, to us here, option A didn’t seem like a lot when we did it, that’s only because we’re here — and people here are different from the general population. What I wrote is how people think of things. If you accept these principles, it’s perfectly logical to see why people take the ‘B’ train.

Yes, but all this only adds up to the sum of people who absolutely need to own it on a disc. I think an enormous amount of people (especially within certain age ranges) are perfectly comfortable with downloading an MKV or even some smaller transcoded version on a public tracker. Hell, even VPNs are now a part of common conversation and not just a topic for nerds/pirates.

Not everyone, obviously, will want to pass up physical media. And I’m aware that this is the thread specifically dedicated to the discs. But when faced with the options of ‘pay for overpriced burned discs’, ‘do nothing’, or ‘download free MKV’, the third option is going to rank significantly in some people’s decisions, even if they might have gone for the discs if they were more convenient.

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#1163272
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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Dang. Two worlds of hurts back to back!

I agree, though. Getting seamless branching working (thanks again, Williarob) was a challenge enough. Getting a BD-J disc authored and working would be a nightmare, as cool as those picture-in-picture features are.

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#1163247
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Star Wars Despecialized Editions - Custom Bluray Set
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Or you could resell the burner (to someone here even) or hold onto it until the next Despecialized (1080p) or 4k77 or whatever you like comes out, so that you don’t pay yet another scumbag for those. 😃

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#1163203
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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MusicallyInspired said:

I cannot STAND soft subtitles. But it’s your decision obviously on which you want to use. But consider this, TFA has burned-in subtitles not soft subtitles. So it IS something an official Bluray would do, is it not?

I think an official blu-ray may or may not have burnt in subtitles. But they wouldn’t have the gate weave, slight blurring, etc.

I like and prefer our burnt in subs, but I can see the reasoning either way. Still, for languages that don’t translate Greedo’s speech, a second set of subtitles at the top of the screen shouldn’t ‘ruin’ the film any more than the dub not matching characters lips does.

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#1163153
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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Sounds reasonable enough to me. I like our burnt in sub work with gate weave and all. but it’s not really how a BD release would ever look.

Soft subs would end up looking like the TFA subs, more or less (though surely better), which look professional, fine, and close enough in spirit.

Seamless branching would open up a whole ton of playback and compatibility issues for some people. I still see the occasional post here from someone struggling to convert the SSE to mkv with just one of the branch options, or getting playback hiccups at the branch point, etc.

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#1163056
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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Swift S. Lawliet said:

I think a Despecialized Edition without subtitles for the alien speech would go against the purpose of the Despecialized Edition’s mission.

Indeed. I completely understand the desire to have it look right in one’s native language. But a good amount of work went into the making and rendering of the text by (at least) Harmy, Catbus, and me. And it can’t be pulled off as effectively with a subtitle stream alone.

Maybe Catbus can answer: Are there packs of subtitles available for just the Greedo text (presumably rendered in the top portion of the screen) that people could mux in with their dub of choice?

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#1162999
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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yoda-sama said:

Harmy said:

Thank all of you guys so much!!! We’re nearly there! I wanna get cracking on preparing the assets next week, so I’ll be buying the license on Sunday at the latest and by then I should at least have enough that I’d be able to cover anything that’s left myself. 😃
If the donations should reach more than I need for the Adobe CC, I’ll use the rest to buy hard-drives, because I’m planning to work with image sequences this time, which take up a lot of space (can be something like 4TB per movie) but can save a lot of trouble in the editing.

Check the fine print on what software you buy, I’ve heard that they’ve switched to only offering subscriptions, rather than perpetual licenses. Maybe you can get a slightly older copy of software you can keep… maybe it doesn’t even apply to what you’re using. I don’t know. This is what brought that to mind: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/01/23/0520227/ask-slashdot-what-is-your-view-on-forced-subscription-only-software

He stated that the sum he posted was for a yearly subscription, so I think he knows. While it would be nice if they still had options to purchase outright, especially for hobbyists, there are certainly benefits to subscription models for professionals and institutions.

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#1162752
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Preserving RotS Theatrical Version - Is there any interest?
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theMaestro said:

So in your theatrical AOTC audio, does Padme have that awkward line dub where she robotically says “Yes” after the clone trooper asks if she’s okay (later changed to “Mmm hmm” on home releases)? There was a DVD website that mentioned this and gave an audio clip but I wasn’t sure if it was on every single theatrical version.

Yeah, it’s still unclear how many of the DVD changes were in the digital theatrical as well. We know that the CGI robotic hand is one change that was in the digital, but that’s it (I think). Presumably that shot is the same length, or a neighboring shot is adjusted to keep with the score.

I suspect that the “Yes” is present in all the theatrical releases, as it was mocked quite a bit, and I’ve never seen anyone defend it with the fact that the version they saw didn’t have it.

The scene with “To be angry is to be human” is one of the bigger changes on DVD, affecting the run time, with a number of adjusted shots. Again, no idea if it was changed on the digital, but you would have thought people would have mentioned the corny lines at the time.

The speeder is just a CG tweak. I wouldn’t be surprised if, like the hand, it was changed for the digital release prior to DVD.

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#1162258
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Preserving RotS Theatrical Version - Is there any interest?
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Hal 9000 said:

Nice! Just wondering if you plan on revisiting AOTC, or if that one’s finished. What you’ve already done passes all scrutiny I’ve put it through at any rate. 😉

AoTC isn’t going to happen until someone scans the theatrical release (or at least a gets a few seconds of it transferred). The cost to interest ratio on that one will probably prevent it from happening for a very long time, if ever. The HDTV/DVD could be ‘in the ballpark’ of the digital theatrical release. No visual record is known to exist for that, though, so we can’t say with certainty. It came out only 6 months later, so it’s at least AoTC as it existed in the year of its release. 😛

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#1161615
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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nightstalkerpoet said:

Who? Snoke probably. But an angle from afar that leaves their height ambiguous could potentially have it be Luke too.
What and why? I just enjoy the concept of ending with Vader’s castle. It’s both commemorating the end of Anakin Skywalker’s story, and giving us a small amount of foreshadowing that he could still have influence on the future of Star Wars.

Sounds like a fun scene to edit as a stand alone project, but it doesn’t seem like it belongs in Rotj. Especially without a clear idea of who, when, or why.

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#1158889
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DESPECIALIZED EDITION <em>QUALITY CONTROL</em> THREAD - REPORT ISSUES HERE
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ChainsawAsh said:

HerekittykittyX said:

I know he is fixing it.Empire Strikes Back 2.0 needs to be colored corrected way more

You think? I really liked the colors of Empire 2.0.

Me too. I think it has the best color of the Despecialized series. I think a quality complaint should have some sort of specific information in it. “way more” doesn’t mean anything in the context of something that is or needs to be fine tuned.

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#1158319
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DESPECIALIZED EDITION <em>QUALITY CONTROL</em> THREAD - REPORT ISSUES HERE
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Williarob said:

oojason said:

a request for some assistance with Despecialized from Harmy…

 

Harmy said:

Guys - I could use some help - I remember some time ago, someone was working on a shotlist for the SW movies and I can’t find it. But what I’d really need is someone helping me catalogue all the shots that need despecializing and making a system that will make it easier for me to keep track of the shots and what they need done.
My idea is this table, where I could keep track of the progress on all the shots:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NwFnvrRp3CnyDOdr9W1__8PLBGwH8WOKkl8mjke8LQs/edit?usp=sharing

So, would I find volunteers, who would help me by going through Doubleofive’s galleries and putting all the shots down in this table and looking them up in GOUT and BD and putting in the timecodes?

When this is done and I start working on v3.0, the plan is to keep the table public, so you guys can check on my progress and every once in a while, when all shots in a sequence have status Pending Final, I want to post the sequence as a work-print and only after I get positive feedback on it, I will mark the shots as final.

This will make you guys more involved again, like in the old times, and it should help keep me more motivated. 😃

 

Please send him a PM if you can help…

This might help:

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Shot-List-Spreadsheet-v0505-6-films-publicly-editable/id/13403

I used it to generate a shot list based on frame numbers, which allowed me to write scripts to sort each reel into shots, and generate EDL files that could be used instead of automatic scene detection in programs like Resolve…

Yes, I think that link was posted shortly after Harmy first asked for some help. It’s certainly a great resource, and your scripts sound like they would be extremely helpful.

As for the request for assistance, I feel bad that Harmy hasn’t gotten any responses yet. I would like to, and may indeed be able to at some point in the future. I just don’t have the time right now, and would not want to commit to it if I’m not able to see it through. Best of luck, Harmy. And congrats again on the big shot film work. 😃

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#1156667
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Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI Despecialized Edition HD (AVCHD DVD9 &amp; NTSC DVD5 available!!! SEE FIRST POST!!!)
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solkap said:

Hi SteveE,

If you are looking for the NJVC ISOs, this is the wrong thread. Go here instead.

If you are having trouble with ROTJ 2.5, it isn’t in ISO form. There are MKV, AVCHD, and NTSC DVD5 versions.

In that case, you need to follow this guide for the procedure and go to this guide for the relevant links. It won’t be as fast as using torrents, but the file integrity will be much more reliable.

Can’t help with the Demonoid issue.

If it’s some old torrent from demonoid, he may have been talking about RotJ 1.0, which was only available in avchd iso form.

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#1156485
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THX on 35mm Tech IB preservation - HELP NEEDED
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RDPlissken said:

Harmy said:

Well, my plan is to mostly just clean the print shots and intercut them with the DC where necessary.

Hey, Harmy, glad you’re tackling this one! I guess you’ve already seen Movie Censorship’s detailed comparison between LD and DC, but just in case, here it is https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=541751

Yeah, that’s certainly the most thorough comparison out there at the moment. There are probably changes that it doesn’t mention, but none that I have seen anyone discuss yet.

Either way, it serves as a starting point, and following it would most likely account for the vast majority of necessary shots being accounted for.

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