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Awesome shot composition and vfx. What should have been in the movie from the start! Two thumbs up!
Fam, George had a female protagonist in his story treatment for 7.
And I’m good with it. I liked VII a lot, I still like it! And Daisy Ridley!
Frankly I think that if Rey was a well written character nobody would be talking about identity politics.
Exactly! At least for the most part!
Get over it.
We’re in a fan edit thread. Not getting over things is the only way we can fix them. I think he should be allowed to criticize. Whether his criticisms are valid is another question, but you shouldn’t just try to shut him up like this.
In fairness, it’s not just that his criticisms are bad, but there’s no way to accomplish what he wants. In which case my suggestion is legitimately the best thing he can do.
You’re probably right. His criticisms do belong more in the rewrite thread.
Honestly, I think I can say whatever I want to say as long as I don’t offend anyone…
You’re welcome to think and say whatever you want, even if it does offend people, so long as it doesn’t break the rules. So by all means, you do you. However, since you mention offence-
I’m offended. You use the phrase ‘identity politics’ twice.
Identity politics is a political approach based on people prioritizing the concerns most relevant to their particular racial, religious, ethnic, sexual, social, cultural or other identity. It typically aims to reclaim greater self-determination and political freedom for marginalized groups through understanding each interest group’s distinctive nature and experiences of injustice.
Not one iota of that happens in Disney Star Wars, so I have to read from this that by ‘identity politics’ you mean you object to the prevalence and/or roles of women in these films.
I’ll say it again: Representation is not politics. Representation is not an agenda.
There are plenty of problems to have with these films. There are plenty of problems to have with the power Rey has without training. None of those problems come from the identities - gender or otherwise - of the characters. None of those problems come from the identities of the members of the production teams.
I’m making an assumption there so forgive me if I’ve interpreted your choice of words unfairly. But if not-
Strong women exist. Female characters who serve something other than male characters’ romantic subplot exist. They’re not a threat to you. Get over it.
I won’t say sorry, but I get the point. I don’t want to be political, it is Lucasfilm and Kennedy herself who went political with Episode VIII. To use a female hero was a choice that was clearly taken due to the fact that they wanted to push a more “progressive” approach to “representation”. As I said, I liked the choice for the characters and I like Daisy Ridley, she pulls it off apart from the issues in the screenplay, but that is not on her! The “Lesbian” kiss in TROS is identity politics it is there for “representation” and its only purpose is to alienate the audience. It is brief, I am not offended directly by it, but it serves no purpose and the scene is cut out in various countries and they knew this would happen.
And then we had Admiral Holdo, coming out of nowhere and her basic role was to criticize and dismiss Poe. She clearly was there to call all men idiots. See I didn’t do that not did anyone back in the old days write Leia running around calling males names.
But right, no politics on my behalf. To me the only thing important is that Rey needs to have a believable transition to being the super talented Jedi she is and making her a descendent of someone’s bloodline was the naturally easiest way to do so. But I object her being a Palpatine since Palpatine was designed to be the evil in the galaxy you could of course argue that the story choice in IX was radical and Rey turning the Palpatine bloodline to something good was at least interesting. To me it just feels off and again since Lucasfilm now declared her the daughter of a Palpatine clone and whatever they will stir up to undo the damage done with VIII to the fans I think the only choice that was again already given in VII was that she is in fact a Skywalker hidden because she was in danger because she needed to be the “last hope” to finally destroy the Sith / dark force users. This would rhyme far better than the Palpatine descendant thingy. It might have worked even better if Snoke would have just been the bad guy all along and maybe Trevorrow’s unmade IX would have been a far superior experience, but that is a lot of ifs.
Thanks for all the feedback so far. I don’t want to alienate anyone here, maybe this whole line of discussion or ideas with Rey being Luke’s daughter has all been discussed to the end before here on the board and I just missed it or I am going into territory a lot of the users here just see no possibility of pulling it off in the editing which I understand as well.
And then again if everybody sticks to her being a nobody it is turning the Skywalker saga into absurdity because Ben’s role and impact was reduced to be thrown into the pit and bringing back Rey to life which has never been seen before in Star Wars and is again a deus ex machina. Ben is the hero in the end but we’re not supposed to feel that imho. Lucasfilm / Kennedy only want us to accept Rey as the hero of these nine films she saves the day, because Anakin, Luke an Ben were all unable to do it and were toxic males. And again that is not my way of thinking but that is what people like Johnson, Kennedy and Mr. Hidalgo were putting into Star Wars starting in about 2014. They brought the politics into Star Wars and we the fans need to take this out and bring back the fairy tale, the hero’s journey and the classical grand space opera feeling to it or what.
Get over it.
We’re in a fan edit thread. Not getting over things is the only way we can fix them. I think he should be allowed to criticize. Whether his criticisms are valid is another question, but you shouldn’t just try to shut him up like this.
In fairness, it’s not just that his criticisms are bad, but there’s no way to accomplish what he wants. In which case my suggestion is legitimately the best thing he can do.
You’re probably right. His criticisms do belong more in the rewrite thread.
Honestly, I think I can say whatever I want to say as long as I don’t offend anyone what I’m not interested in in any way of course. Thanks to StarkillerAG. While I understand that some are more than skeptical blink blink DominicCobb I think reaching for the impossible is sometimes the only way to go. I came to all of this through the Phantom Edit like many others and I stumbled across Adywan’s Episode IV revisited. A new hope is my all-time-favourite movie and it was great in its original edit, but what Adywan did with the movie is still to this day phenomenal and who would have thought that this would be possible. We also have the Vader-Kenobi light sabre battle recreation which basically became a YouTube hit, so why shouldn’t the things I’m proposing not be possible. Yeah, it is a bit of a stretch and I’m not really deeper into this as of now but you gotta start somewhere. And as long as Kennedy is the president of Lucasfilm we will never see an alternate edit or anything even though it might or might not exist!
Even if you believe Star Wars is just supposed to be about the Skywalkers, there’s nothing wrong with having the last trilogy be about the influence of that family and their story. That’s still ostensibly about them.
Rey Nobody, a girl who becomes a hero from being inspired by their legend, is a meaningful way to cap off their legacy. It’s a lot better than a daughter inheriting her father’s responsibility and just seeing it through. (also why Kylo/Ben not seeing his through was interesting!)
Exactly.
Rey then still stays almighty powerful and there is no reason for it if she is no one. The hero’s journey does not work that way in my opinion. She becomes a deus ex machina to destroy Palpatine because the Skywalkers weren’t able to do it in the first place even though they did in Episode VI.
The thing is, if Palpatine would have been integral in VIII already and Luke or Ben involved in striking Palpatine down once and for all it would have worked somehow, but Ben is reduced to a joke in the end saving the most important girl in the galaxy that didn’t earn anything because she has no real journey in VIII and IX, not on the scale of Luke or Anakin. To me it still is too much identity politics involved instead of a solid character arc.
I mean I really like Daisy Ridley and she is doing her best and she mostly delivers in her performance. But the underlying agenda, the screenplay Johnson put on paper in VIII just don’t make the story worthwhile. I hoped VIII would answer some stuff but it only derailed everything giving Abrams nothing left, so he and Terrio came up with, Snoke was a clone, Palps was involved all the way and Rey is Palpatine’s clone daugther /granddaughter and Lucasfilm is retconning even that because they or some people at least figured out that they messed up and even the identity politics are not working at all.
We need all the available Mark Hamill footage of Star Wars and other movies in 1080p, movies like Slipstream, Time Runner and so forth, there might be material for the flashback scenes and maybe even stand-ins, deepfakes and so forth. But again, I’m only just starting to play with the idea.
- Luke needs to survive Episode VIII.
I actually would like this, for the same reason I’d like Ben to survive. I think Luke deserves more time to redeem himself, rather than just die from over-exertion after doing one good thing. This isn’t really feasible through editing though.
- Rey needs to be Luke’s lost daugther, that was hinted at in TFA and I still feel Kasdan and Abrams were going that way until VIII, Johnson and Kennedy derailed everything.
I absolutely hate this idea, for two reasons:
- Rey is more interesting as a nobody. If Rey just turned out to be another Skywalker, it would make the sequel trilogy seem boring and cliche. It’s much more ironic for a complete nobody to be the hero this time.
- There is zero evidence that JJ originally planned for Rey to be a Skywalker. All evidence, even before the release of TLJ, points to Rey being a nobody from the start. Terrio was the one who derailed it with his stupid Rey Palpatine reveal.
Because of that, I think Rey Nobody is the only way to go for a fan edit of the sequel trilogy. It’s by far the most interesting and thematically coherent option.
Rey is a nobody being the best option, well I disagree. The Skywalker saga needs to be about Skywalkers otherwise it still makes no sense to me. This is the hero’s journey, it spans generations of a family, classic storytelling and that is what made Lucas’ original work. The thing is, Johnson and Kennedy wanted to take turns, be radical (or stupid), but that is not what Star Wars is about. Sure there are unexpected revelations here and there, but they all fall within the confines of the classic stories, legends and fairy tales. So Rey needs to be a Skywalker since Ben is the failed Skywalker there needs to be the hero, the good Skywalker, mirroring the OT and the PT. It rhymes and that is what Lucas wanted and said in interviews before. Rey being a nobody does not make any sense within this context, at least not to me. It would undo a lot of issues within VIII and IX. It might not be clever, unexpected twist, but was this sequel trilogy ever about a twist or turning everything upside down in the first place?!
Luke needs to survive, done by Ivan Ortega in his edit, working more or less well. Rey needs to be the lost daughter, we just need a good reason why and need to show it. The ending of IX needs to be bigger, with force ghosts and with Rey realizing her place in all of this as the last Skywalker to finally end Palpatine and avenge her father and restore the balance once and for all. Her being a nobody is just pushing the identity politics agenda of Kennedy and Rey being a Palpatine might sound interesting, but it just makes the whole story of Anakin an Luke useless.
Thanks for the feedback of course, it is noted and respected!
I just wanted to add my thoughts to the mix. Nice reading here anyways, good ideas, but…
… to me the only way to let’s say finish the Skywalker saga in three short bulletpoints.
I don’t have a real idea how to fix that, but Deepfakes, alternate footage of Hamill and some major retconning within the movies VIII and IX seem somehow possible with the given technology and the fans’ commitment.
Just my quick thoughts.
Hallo benduwan,
nein, leider nicht, aber ich denke, wenn es ANH:R HD gibt, werde ich mich zumindest ans Werk machen, evtl. schon früher!
Greetings.
Hello there,
I just stumbled across this post. Since I’m new to the forum and searching for a (perfect) Phantom Edit I was wondering in how far this one is special. Or did I miss something?
O.k., found your other post.
I watched the 2 Phantom Edits (TPM and AotC) and basically want a better AotC edit, I liked the Phantom Edit of TPM which is really good. AotC Phantom Edit was too short with 106 minutes, that’s what bothers me most with this cut, the Asteroid scene should have been left in.
Aside from some bad interacting between Anakin and Padme, Episode III pretty much is a very satisfying Star Wars entry in my personal point of view.
Thanks anyways.
Greetings,
Tobias
Hello there,
I’m new to the forum, so big hello to all here.
Since I’m from Germany and I’m a fan of AdyWans Episode IV Revisited I’m eager to get my hands on a fitting German 5.1 Audio Mix. So, any news on that in the first place and more important…
… I would offer my help in creating a Version based of course on the DVD-9 of Adywan’s English Mix.
Since ESB:R will hopefully finally be released this year the next project would already be on the horizon.
Maybe it would even be best to contact Adywan himself if he’s available for providing his basic sound mix files? Wort a try in my opinion.
Please feel free to contact me. It is higly appreciated.
Greetings,
tobiwan1984