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#1574071
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Smudger9's Bad Batch Movie Series [EP1 & EP2 RELEASED]
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TheDimitrios said:

The Bow thing is definitely not worth including a complete side arc.

With the training sequence I would say it might have a bit of value to show at least a little of it, not only because it flows better in that moment, also because the location comes back at the end.

But make no mistake: Outstanding edit and just like TNR my Goto version of this content from now on.

Tip for bystanders: Rebels Recut has the Ryloth Arc as a bonus episode which can be slotted in after this cut without too much headache, giving a very full-universe picture for a complete Star Wars Binge.

I agree with your points on the training sequence. However, time was the main issue with this edit. I just didn’t feel I could accommodate another 5mins, I needed to get them out to Onderon as quickly as possible to move the plot along.

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#1573903
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Smudger9's Bad Batch Movie Series [EP1 & EP2 RELEASED]
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TheDimitrios said:

Watched it today and it was super nice as always!

The cut from Tarkin announcing a demonstration to after the training was a bit abrupt, maybe this could profit from leaving at least a few seconds of it in…

Smaller thing that can probably not be easily solved: Omegas Bow kinda comes out of nowhere. (Dont remember how the show originally introduced it, been a while)

Yes, the Tarkin cut was as good as I could get it because his opening line references the training test, which I cut.

Omega gets the bow on a random side-quest that has no relevance to the main plot of the season. It first appears in this edit as she runs out of Cid’s bar. Since you see a shot of her taking an interest in one of the artefacts there, one could suggest that she takes it from Cid’s office.

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#1573152
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Smudger9's Bad Batch Movie Series [EP1 & EP2 RELEASED]
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honestabe said:

I watched through this edit. I expected it to be very good as I skimmed through the changelog. The effort level was clearly there. Personally, I watched this specifically looking for a movie that connects the dots with the rest of the Star Wars universe. I was not specifically interested in a story about the Bad Batch. The only Bad Batch content that I watched previously were the opening scene involving Caleb/Kanan and the Ryloth saga to connect with Rebels. (Leaving out the Ryloth portion was the correct decision as it was too far off to be a necessary inclusion, but for those interested I recommend watching Rebels Recut by g00b).

This edit far and above exceeded my expectations. I really believed I watched a highly entertaining, emotionally compelling, and strong character-driven story.

I was very skeptical of the Bad Batch characters as they were portrayed briefly in the Clone Wars. Therefore, leaving the Clone Wars bit out was clearly the correct decision. To my own surprise, I found myself loving all of the characters. They came across wonderfully, warts and all other shenanigans. The edit really put in strong character development.

Considering I have not watched most of the material beforehand, I felt the story flowed very smoothly. Not once did I scratch my head and wonder what was going on despite all the cuts, transitions, and rearranged material. The story really flowed smoothly. From the opening crawl all the way to the ending, I was engaged the whole way through - I never found myself even a bit bored. This was an action-packed, fast paced movie that goes by quickly in spite of the nearly 3 hour length.

The edit without question gave me what I wanted going in. That is, I wanted to see the story of the transition from the clones to professional recruits, and I was not disappointed in the slightest in that regard. I also liked the bit involving the bounty hunters who were recruited by the Kaminoans with competing visions.

The only issue I have, and this is not something an edit can fix, is the whole concept of the inhibitor chip. I was never a big fan of it. I would have always preferred more of the concept of free will, which is why I really loved Crosshair removing the inhibitor chip and choosing to be evil voluntarily, including the massacre of innocent civilians. This is very dark, but it humanizes the clones.

Overall, this is an A+ edit and I think it can enjoyed by people who are not Star Wars fans who simply want a good story. I highly recommend everybody in this forum to take a crack at this one.

Wow, thanks for the amazing review honstable. The most useful feedback is from people watching the material for the first time. When i’m editing a series together I get to know the story so well that it’s easy to lose sight of what is needed for the plot to make sense. Your desires aligned perfectly with my aims for this edit. To stick to the core plot that connects with the rest of the Star Wars universe. There is some amazing content in the Bad Batch that helps bridge the PT-OT gap, but also a lot of boring and repetitive episodes.

Overall my TV edits are intended to be an engaging summary of the main plot presented in the form of a Star Wars movie that has rewatchability (just like the movies) and also allows casual fans to enjoy the series without having to sit through the whole show.

I’m currently storyboarding season 2. It’s even more unbalanced than season 1. Some amazing and emotional episodes mixed with some really monotonous episodes. It’s shaping up to be another really good movie!

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#1573004
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Mando EP2: Search for the Jedi [V2 RELEASED]
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Darth Raditz said:

For these revamped New Republic edits, I’ve always been in favor of ending Episode 2 with Grogu being captured. Lets you have a dark ending, you get to move most if not all of the Luke crap into one Episode, and you get to trim even more of Book of Boba Fett to your liking and avoid most of the bad stuff there as well.

This is the plan that makes most sense from a movie length point of view and I’ve got some great ideas to make episode 2 about Boba and Mando. My one issue is the time skip between the end of S2 and start of season 3, which would then be part of episode 3.

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#1572879
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Mando EP2: Search for the Jedi [V2 RELEASED]
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My issue with the 2-movie option is that the overall plot for season 2 is very basic… find the Jedi. If you split the season, the movie for the first half doesn’t actually achieve anything. He starts of looking for the Jedi and ends with him looking for the Jedi. The other issue is that the footage from episodes 6, 7 and 8 barely covers 90mins, so it would be a very short movie. I could incorporate Episode 5 but that makes an even less satisfying ending to the first movie.

I guess the other option is to stick with the single movie but end it with the Child’s capture and push Luke’s rescue to the next movie.

The next movie would thus be:
Act 1:
Luke’s rescue.
Act 2:
Mando’s rejection by his covert and a trimmed down Boba on Tatooine plot.
Act 3:
Mando and Boba reunite.

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#1572829
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Mando EP2: Search for the Jedi [V2 RELEASED]
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TheDimitrios said:

Having the Morgan fight would also be nice because of the Thrawn reference, it would give us an idea of what Ahsoka is up to early on. But I see why that is difficult Structurally.

Just throwing out ideas: Maybe this is a 2-movie edit?
One that intercuts Ahsoka with Mando, culminating in them finally meeting and working together at the end. (Opening fight scene of Ahsoka attacking the city would also need to be reinstated)
And then one that shows Bobas journey parallel to Mandos, culminating in those 2 meeting.

a bit less concise, but maybe it would give the audience more room to breath.

Intercutting Ahsoka with Mando isn’t an option unfortunately. There is only one Ahsoka-only scene that occurs before Mando arrives on Corvus. Meanwhile Mando has arrived on Tatooine, killed a Krayt dragon, walked to Mos Eisley, evaded the New Republic X-wings, travelled to Trask, headed out on a trawler, met Bo Katan, captured an Imperial cruiser and then traveled to Corvus.

Having the Ahsoka v Morgan duel now feels almost essential in light of the Ahsoka series, but I’m really trying to stick to a single movie for this edit so I’ll have to see how it all feels.

I have toyed with the idea of ending this movie with the capture of the child, but it would be a crime not to have Luke’s rescue as the final scene.

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#1572719
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Mando EP2: Search for the Jedi [V2 RELEASED]
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So having polished Episode 1 (and finished my S1 Bad Batch edit), it’s on to episode 2. First and foremost, I will upgrade it to 4K.
The main aim with this update is to produce the best possible through-line for my NEW Republic series. Since my last update we’ve had S3 of the Mandalorian and Ahsoka. I foresee quite a few areas for adjustment.

  1. The relationship between Din and Carson Teva. In true Filoni style, this seemingly minor relationship turned out to be quite important. Having cut most of this side story I need to decide how to re-integrate it so that Carson reaching out to Din in episode 4 makes sense. I will probably need to re-instate the Razrocrest crashing on the Snow planet and use AI dialogue to change the references to “The prisoner” to references to the events on Navarro.

  2. Do I include the Ahsoka-Morgan fight? This will strengthen the link between this edit and episode 5. However, I don’t think it is actually needed, and it is yet another side quest in a very quest-heavy season. I already have an acceptable explanation for Din having the beskar spear (using Din’s dialogue from Mando S3 about Jawas finding it on the surface of Mandalore), so I’m still keen to leave it out.

  3. Boba’s storyline from the Book of Boba Fett. I included some of this parallel activities, particularly him retrieving Slave 1 from Jabba’s palace. However, for runtime and story reasons, I’m considering taking that back out. I removed the campfire scene with Fennec from episode 1 and I think leaving his story a mystery is the way to go.

  4. Where to end the episode. The Luke rescue is by far the best way to end the edit from an emotional perspective, but there is the option of ending this edit when the child is captured by Gideon. This would then allow me to include the Navarro portion of the season.

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#1571640
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The New Republic EP1: A Vergence in the Force 4K (The Mandalorian Season 1 Edit) [V4 RELEASED]
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TheDimitrios said:

Yeah, I know Lukes training is supposed to be months, but the movie itself never read that way to me. Always felt like a retcon after the fact by the power of interviews and commentaries, exactly like Feloni now tries to sell Grogu having been with Luke for a long time.

Passage of time is a weird concept in Star Wars. The movies all feel like they span a few days, but it’s usually a matter of months.

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#1571592
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The New Republic EP1: A Vergence in the Force 4K (The Mandalorian Season 1 Edit) [V4 RELEASED]
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TheDimitrios said:

Just watched it and it flowed super well. It has been a while since I watched the Original and it really is hard to tell where parts are missing. Amazing work as always.

One little thing stuck out a bit though. Quill mentions the kid not having grown when Mando comes back to him. Which is weird, because in this edit it has been only 2 days since they last met. Even a human would not have grown in this time. If there was a way to remove or replace that line, that would be the icing on the cake!

Thanks. I shaved between 5 and 10mins off just by tightening scenes. It’s good to know that it isn’t noticeable, and the shortened run time
I had considered removing Kuill’s line about the child’s age, and it’s easy to do by just starting the conversation with “this is Cara Dune”. However, I really liked the exposition about cloning, which ties in with what is to come.
Regarding the comment about the child not having grown. It does suggest passage of time. However, since Mando left Arvala with the child he has been to Nevarro, Tatooine, Sorgen and back to Arvala. That’s a lot of hyperspace and action on those planets. It could have easily taken a couple of months.
We have a similar thing in ESB. Luke’s training on Dagobah is supposed to take a few months and in that time Han and Leia just make a journey from Hoth to Bespin via the asteroid field.

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#1570253
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The New Republic EP1: A Vergence in the Force 4K (The Mandalorian Season 1 Edit) [V4 RELEASED]
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szopman said:

Since you went back through your Mando edits and you are updating the crawls, etc. Any chances of a version of those edits without “Episode” number, just subtitles? 😉
Some viewers could watch those edits more selectively or in different orders then 😉 also it’d give this vibe of the New Republic novels from the 90s 😄

Btw.
I love the new artwork for this project, looks really cool with this red logo 😉

The crawls are being redone to match my Ahsoka edit. New republic logo and red crawl.
Unfortunately I don’t have enough storage for 2 versions of each movie. I could render the crawl without the episode number for people to edit in if they want to.

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#1570165
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The New Republic EP1: A Vergence in the Force 4K (The Mandalorian Season 1 Edit) [V4 RELEASED]
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So, as promised I’m now going back through my Mando edits to convert them to 4K and to bring them under the new banner “The New Republic”

I have now completed Episode 1 and this SHOULD be the final ever version. This actually turned out to be a lot more than a 4K conversion and opening logo update… I’ve actually gone back and tidied up the whole edit. It must have been my work on the Ahsoka series where I had to edit virtually every scene, but I’ve shaved off over 10 minutes from the edit and the result is an even tighter and well paced movie. It now clocks in at a very respectable 2h 33mins!

If you want the laest version please PM me and I can send you a link to the folder.

Here is the new artwork

And here is a full list of changes

Chapter 1 (36mins to 12mins)
Cut first 21 minutes of Chapter 1…. includes Mytherol bounty capture and the whole of the first sequence on Nevarro.
Crawl pans to manufactured Razorcrest hyperspace exit merging into the approach to Arvala-7.
Arvala-7 approach re-scored using “Face to Face”.
Cut head-on shot of Mando in the cockpit to add impact to his “reveal” exit from the Razorcrest.
Trimmed Razorcrest exit sequence to speed up pacing.
Cut Mando saying “Thankyou” to Kuiil… not a great first line for our fearsome bounty hunter.
Extended end of the Mando/Kuill hut scene by reversing a shot of Kuill and adding in “you are a Mandalorian, your ancestors rode the great Mythosaur’. This line now cuts to Mando mounting and riding the Blurg, allowing the Blurg training to be cut. Used score track “You are a Mandalorian” to create a better musical transition”.
Cut Mando “Let’s come up with a plan” this again makes him appear slightly incompetent.
Cut IG-11 shooting Mando - he gets shot way too many times in this season.
Trimmed scene of IG getting shot as the CGI looks too animated.Cut exchange between IG and Mando where IG runs a diagnostic.
Cut the Nikto attacking Mando from behind…. Why didn’t the Nikto just shoot him?
Trim Mando trying to open the door and “they’ve got us pinned” - speeds up the pacing.
Cut IG-11’s second threat to self-destruct.
Cut Mando shooting enemy as they enter the building.
Used a reversed shot to extend the pause between the blaster shot and IG falling to the ground.
Re-scored the child reveal using “Farewell” to give a more natural transition into the first scene of chapter 2.

Chapter 2 ( 27mins to 22mins)
Rebuild sound mix to remove music from whole Trandoshan ambush scene - creates more tension and allows a better transition to the next scene.
Trimming of the Jawa chase to speed pacing.
Remove Mando returning to the trashed Razorcrest - he goes straight to Kuill.
Remove child eating creature.
Remove Mando & Kuill travelling to the Jawa camp - it’s unnecessary. Transition wipe and scoring from “Celebration” used to cut from Kuill camp to Mando & Kuill arriving at the Jawa camp.
Remove Mando travelling in the Sandcrawler. Instead wipe transition from Jawa camp to Mando and the child walking towards the mudhorn cave.
Remove Mando “arming his weapons” outside the mudhorn cave.
Remove Mando’s rifle getting clogged with mud.
Slo-motion edits when Mando is dazed have been cut.
Remove Mando going back into the cave to retrieve the egg - we dont need to see this.
Rebuilt audio of Mando leaving Arvala to allow a re-score of the scene - rescored with “Trashed Crest”.
Cut to Kuill-IG reprogram scene from Chapter 7. Audio rebuilt to remove Kuill narration and score extended using “Reprogram”. Reprogram scene upto the point where IG awakens is used, rest is cut.

Chapter 3
Added Razorcrest cockpit shot of hyperspace exit from chapter 6 and immediately cut to hyperspace exit shot from chapter 3.
Cut Grief Carga line “I don’t know if he wants to eat it or hang it on his wall, but he’s getting very ansy”.
Trim Mando and child walking from Razorcrest to the Client.
Cut transition wipe as Mando walks through town.
When Mando meets the Client added “Beskar?” and “Go ahead, its real” from Chapter 1.
Added scene from Chapter 1 where Mando leaves the Client’s office including the line “the Beskar belongs back into the hands of a Mandalorian……”. Shots reused to hide the fact that Mando doesn’t have a beskar pauldron.
Rebuilt audio to allow smooth music transition to Mando walking back through town.
Remove most of Mando walking to the armoury.
Added armourer lines from Chapter 1 “this is from the great purge… it is good it is back from the tribe”.
Cut Armourer “This would be in order for your station”.
Cut Mando “That would be a great honour”.
Insert Armourer/Mando “has your signet been revealed….not yet” from Chapter 1.
Cut Mando/Armourer exchange about whistling birds.
Cut whistling birds from the armour sequence.
Add Cantina patron scene from Chapter 1 to Cantina intro sequence.
Add Grief Carga/Mando exposition dialogue from Chapter 1…. referring to Bounty hunter guild using cuts from Chapter 3.
Cut Mando looking at the trash can and scouting out the stronghold from the roof. He leaves the ship and goes straight to the front door… this spontaneity fits better with the overall plot.
Cut section of stormtrooper search “We’ll flush him out”.
Cut Stormtrooper shooting Mando.
Cut scene where Mando is captured inside the client’s office and uses whistling birds.
Removed wipe before tracking fobs activate.
Trim battle section where Mando is in the moving speeder - the speeder moves for far too long given the short distance it actually travels.
Shortened Grief Carga/Mando final confrontation scene to shorten the 2 excessive pauses.
Re-scored the Razorcrest escape using “Nightriders” to increase tension.
Cut the flying Mandalorian next to the Razorcrest.
Cut Mando passing the ball to the child.
Added clip from Chapter 6 of “In cockpit hyperspace jump”.
Added clip from Chapter 6 of Mando handing the ball to the child so it now happens with the Razorcrest in hyperspace.
Moved Grief Carga survival scene to here to give a tense escape from Nevarro and to provide a bridge scene between the Razorcrest entering and exiting hyperspace.

Chapter 4
Removed

Chapter 5
Added Hyperspace exit from Chapter 6.
Add Chapter 4 scene aboard Razorcrest where Mando is looking for a sanctuary.
Add battle scene score “warm or cold”
Battle trimmed.
Trim approach to Tatooine.
Cut Toro introducing himself in the cantina.
Cut Pelli playing poker with the pit droids & finding the child.
Cut Tusken Raider interaction - pointless scene.
Cut first sniper shot hitting Mando.
Cut Toro “I don’t have beskar”
Cut Mando “We might just have a chance” - weakens his character.
Cut Toro “thanks for the tip”. “Who wouldn’t want to be a legend” is a far better sentence to end on
Cut Toro “It’ll make me a legend speech”
Replaced Boba finding Fennec with the version from BOBF - seeing his face adds more mystery… is it boba? Is it a clone?
Use Hammertime and Fennec & Boba to transition into and out of the Boba scene.

Chapter 6
Removed

Chapter 7
Cut Grief Karga line “I guess we can call it even”.
Add in approach to Sorgen from chapter 4 and Mando & Grogu walking to the bar. Then cut to the chapter 7 fight scene.
Cut Mando “you saw what happened on Sorgen” - those events aren’t in this edit.
Cut entire IG reprogram scene… first part edited and used between Chapters 2 and 3.
Cut Kuill “or whom I should serve” - gives his speech more impact.
Cut Grief Karga “It appears introductions are in order. It appears we have both brought a security detail”.
Cut Grief Karga “I’m glad this matter will be put to test once and for all”.
Cut some sitting around the campfire.
Cut Grief Karga lines about the child being a carnivore and the Empire paying a King’s ransom.
Trimmed Bird attack scene.
Cut Grief Karga line “he’s trying to eat me”.
Cut Mando line to Kuill about engaging ground security protocols.
Trim Mando/Cara/Karga approach to biker scouts.
Move Mando reposte “on your wall”
Cut Kuill riding on the Blurg… a continuous scene where Mando, Grief and Cara enter the Imperial den works far better.
Cut Grief Karga “go with it”.
Cut First Kuill on Blurg clip.
Cut Client “libation” line.
Cut Client line “we all will be quiet”.
Cut Cara “you said 4” line.
Cut Client line “Currently it is sleeping” and Gideon line “you might want to check again” so that when the client says he has the child he is immediately shot. This tightens the plot because it now lays out as though Gideon thinks the child is with Mando.
Cut Cara “This is bad” - Rick Ollie level exposition.
Cut third Kuill on Blurg clip so that the Gideon arrival scene is uninterrupted.
Trim Kuill v Biker scout death clips just to reveal Kuill lying on the ground

Chapter 8
Cut entire Biker Scout scene.
Cut Mando Line “I’m out of charges”.
Cut Gideon proposal. Now plays out as though Gideon thinks the child is there.
Shortened flashback scenes so it picks up where the previous one ended.
Trim scene of IG coming through the town.
Cut Gideon shooting Mando on the head.
Cut Mando asking Cara to leave him.
Cut intro shot of Flametrooper.
Cut Mando saying he’s not going to make it.
Cut the Mando/IG “get it over with” exchange.
Trim searching in the sewers scene.
Cut Mando line “you go, I can’t leave it like this”.
Cut first part of flashback scene.
Cut Mando “you wish me to train this thing”.
Cut armourer “it is too weak, it would die”.
Add in “I was once a foundling…… I know” lines from Chapter 1.
Cut Cara line about an escape plan.
Cut dialogue where Armourer gives Mando directions to the lava river.
Cut Mando line about staying.
Remove transition wipes either side of armourer v stormtroopers scene.
Cut Grief Karga line “There’s the larva river”.
Remove wipe as boat travels along larva river.
Cut Mando Line “That supersedes your manufacturer’s protocol… right”.
Cut IG-88 line “This is correct”.
Cut Mando line “Grab a blaster and help us shoot our way out”.
Cut Mando line “No, we need you”.
Cut IG Line “There is nothing to be sad about, I’ve never been alone”.
Cut Mando line “I’m not sad”.
Cut IG Line “yes you are, I’m a nurse droid. I’ve analysed your voice”.
Move Moff Gideon survival reveal scene forwards and score with “a warrior’s death” to give better transitions.
Added Razorcrest entering space clip from Chapter 3 to extend exit sequence.
Used Score from Chapter 3 to merge into Star Wars theme for the classical “Iris Out” transition to credits.

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#1569323
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The New Republic Movie Series EPIV: A Threat From Beyond (An Ahsoka Series Edit) [RELEASED]
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GLogus said:

smudger9 said:

GLogus said:

I just finished watching this edit. I evaluate Star Wars fanedits less in terms of preserving canon and more in terms of simply telling a good story, so I submit my comments with that in mind.

I will start by saying that I was not a huge fan of this series. I thought the first three episodes were mediocre, the next three were pretty strong overall, and that the last two were frankly pretty bad. Through no fault of the faneditor, whose efforts are certainly impressive, this same pattern has translated into the structure of this fanedit.

As per the speeder scene that has already been discussed, I think some of the dialogue between the two pilots and Sabine is a bit too “made for TV”, but otherwise I think the speeder scene is necessary because it’s a good re-introduction to Sabine as a character.

As alluded to earlier, most of my issues come in the third act, largely covering episodes 7 and 8. I have two problems broadly, and then a handful of more specific problems.

First, I think the flow of the third act is just too slow and relaxed. We’re at the part of the movie where we should be building up to the climax, and that sense of tension just isn’t there. This is not helped by the fact that Ahsoka acts as if she’s consumed a bunch of edibles and is so zen now that nothing could possibly faze her. I feel that cutting at least some of the more egregious “I’m too high to care” moments might help retain some of the tension. Ahsoka’s only the worst offender. Sabine and Ezra come across as pretty lackadaisical themselves.

Second, I think the other problem is simply that too much dumb nonsense ends up in the third act. Any sense of tension is again obliterated when the viewer is rolling their eyes at the utter stupidity of what they’re witnessing. The zombie horror element of the undead Night Troopers reanimating, making silly noises, and then being effortlessly defeated again is the worst example, imo, but not the only one.

Despite all the trims, the length of this fanedit is still strongly felt. It loses all of its steam in the third act, and while this is the fault of the series itself and not of the faneditor, I still felt obliged to say something. Smudger is something of a miracle worker in my view, so perhaps something can still be done even though I don’t have much in the way of proposed solutions, having not played around with the source material myself.

As for specific problems, I’ve always hated when Shin force pushes Ezra during their confrontation. She pushes him so hard that it looks like it should’ve killed him, yet he’s completely fine only a moment later. It also makes him like a bit of a doofus.

Lastly, I’ll echo what someone else has said about Sabine’s force push of Ezra. It pains me to say it, because I absolutely think Sabine’s force powers are unearned, but something definitely feels like it’s missing with the way its cut, to the extent that someone unfamiliar with the series is going to be confused. With a heavy heart, I say that Sabine’s force push should probably be reinserted.

On the positive side, I would say the first two thirds are nearly perfect (or as good as they can be given the source material), and I especially like the even-handed approach to trimming the Hera subplot.

Thanks Glogus, your thoughts are always appreciated. There isn’t really anything I can add to your points. As you say, the series was set up for an epic finale which it failed to deliver. I had exactly the same feelings as you when I was editing… how can I speed up the pace of this final act. I cut a lot out of episode seven, removed Thrawn’s tactical withdrawals, got rid of the TIE fighter attack. However, there just isn’t anything compelling left… you can’t polish a turd! A shame really because, in this edited form, 1 love acts 1 and 2. Someone with special effects ability and the willingness to physically shoot scenes, like PixelJoker, may be able to come up with something better!

I agree the length is slightly too long. Annoyingly if it wasn’t for the costume change I could have chopped 5 mins off the Seatos approach by getting rid of the space walk and maybe save a few minutes in the finale.

Re-inserting Sabine’s force push is 2/2, so I’ll pop that back in and run a version 2 along with the other changes discussed above.

Thanks again for the feedback.

I wonder what Skeleton Crew will give us!

Specifically, I do think some of Ahsoka’s overly zen-like reactions can be removed—Like when she reunites with Ezra and giggles like a schoolgirl (I don’t know why, but that just grates on me, lol). Again, she’s acting like she just OD’d on Ambien for the latter half of the series, and it detracts from what what should be rising tension leading to the climax.

I also believe something can be done with the over-the-top zombie troopers, even if it’s just to tone down the ridiculous sound effects.

You are right, however, that you succeeded in elevating the material significantly, and you have a killer Act 1 and 2. Your BoBF edit was nothing short of magic. You elevated that material to legit one of my favorite Star Wars films. I was, frankly speaking, astonished by the potential you brought out in it. But perhaps that potential just isn’t here with Ahsoka.

I think when you’ve been working so long on an edit and looking at the same sequences over and over again you can lose sight of what else can be done. I’ve made the alterations discussed above and I think I’ll leave it as is… for now.

I’ve moved back to my episode I to add in the new series logo and crawl style, upgrade it to 4K and maybe tighten it up a touch. Then I’ll come back and have another look at the final act along with any further feedback I get from this round of viewings and do a proper V2.

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#1569283
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The New Republic Movie Series EPIV: A Threat From Beyond (An Ahsoka Series Edit) [RELEASED]
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Matt.F said:

Your BoBF edit was nothing short of magic. You elevated that material to legit one of my favorite Star Wars films. I was, frankly speaking, astonished by the potential you brought out in it. But perhaps that potential just isn’t here with Ahsoka.

Hi Smudger, probably not the right thread to ask but would it be possible to get a link to your BOBF edit? Sounds really good…

Sure thing. DM sent.

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#1568894
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The New Republic Movie Series EPIV: A Threat From Beyond (An Ahsoka Series Edit) [RELEASED]
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GLogus said:

I just finished watching this edit. I evaluate Star Wars fanedits less in terms of preserving canon and more in terms of simply telling a good story, so I submit my comments with that in mind.

I will start by saying that I was not a huge fan of this series. I thought the first three episodes were mediocre, the next three were pretty strong overall, and that the last two were frankly pretty bad. Through no fault of the faneditor, whose efforts are certainly impressive, this same pattern has translated into the structure of this fanedit.

As per the speeder scene that has already been discussed, I think some of the dialogue between the two pilots and Sabine is a bit too “made for TV”, but otherwise I think the speeder scene is necessary because it’s a good re-introduction to Sabine as a character.

As alluded to earlier, most of my issues come in the third act, largely covering episodes 7 and 8. I have two problems broadly, and then a handful of more specific problems.

First, I think the flow of the third act is just too slow and relaxed. We’re at the part of the movie where we should be building up to the climax, and that sense of tension just isn’t there. This is not helped by the fact that Ahsoka acts as if she’s consumed a bunch of edibles and is so zen now that nothing could possibly faze her. I feel that cutting at least some of the more egregious “I’m too high to care” moments might help retain some of the tension. Ahsoka’s only the worst offender. Sabine and Ezra come across as pretty lackadaisical themselves.

Second, I think the other problem is simply that too much dumb nonsense ends up in the third act. Any sense of tension is again obliterated when the viewer is rolling their eyes at the utter stupidity of what they’re witnessing. The zombie horror element of the undead Night Troopers reanimating, making silly noises, and then being effortlessly defeated again is the worst example, imo, but not the only one.

Despite all the trims, the length of this fanedit is still strongly felt. It loses all of its steam in the third act, and while this is the fault of the series itself and not of the faneditor, I still felt obliged to say something. Smudger is something of a miracle worker in my view, so perhaps something can still be done even though I don’t have much in the way of proposed solutions, having not played around with the source material myself.

As for specific problems, I’ve always hated when Shin force pushes Ezra during their confrontation. She pushes him so hard that it looks like it should’ve killed him, yet he’s completely fine only a moment later. It also makes him like a bit of a doofus.

Lastly, I’ll echo what someone else has said about Sabine’s force push of Ezra. It pains me to say it, because I absolutely think Sabine’s force powers are unearned, but something definitely feels like it’s missing with the way its cut, to the extent that someone unfamiliar with the series is going to be confused. With a heavy heart, I say that Sabine’s force push should probably be reinserted.

On the positive side, I would say the first two thirds are nearly perfect (or as good as they can be given the source material), and I especially like the even-handed approach to trimming the Hera subplot.

Thanks Glogus, your thoughts are always appreciated. There isn’t really anything I can add to your points. As you say, the series was set up for an epic finale which it failed to deliver. I had exactly the same feelings as you when I was editing… how can I speed up the pace of this final act. I cut a lot out of episode seven, removed Thrawn’s tactical withdrawals, got rid of the TIE fighter attack. However, there just isn’t anything compelling left… you can’t polish a turd! A shame really because, in this edited form, 1 love acts 1 and 2. Someone with special effects ability and the willingness to physically shoot scenes, like PixelJoker, may be able to come up with something better!

I agree the length is slightly too long. Annoyingly if it wasn’t for the costume change I could have chopped 5 mins off the Seatos approach by getting rid of the space walk and maybe save a few minutes in the finale.

Re-inserting Sabine’s force push is 2/2, so I’ll pop that back in and run a version 2 along with the other changes discussed above.

Thanks again for the feedback.

I wonder what Skeleton Crew will give us!

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Matt.F said:

I’ve just watched this, and congratulations you’ve improved it no end!

I’ve got lots of positive things I could say but I feel at this stage you’re still looking for feedback to hone and improve it. You could leave it as it is and the series would have benefitted greatly from your edit but I did spot some small things that could make it even better (in my humble opinion).

There were two minor technical glitches. One, when the Lucasfilm logo fades out at the start, it left artifacts on the screen. The second was when Sabine points her gun at the rock critter and says “that tricks over” there is a momentary glitch.

There are several more subjective ways I feel the edit could be improved, and please feel free to ignore these if you disagree. Firstly, my suggestion would be to remove the ‘traffic cop’ sequence, when the two spaceships accost Sabine on the highway. It slows things down, its extraneous to the plot, and it mentions “missing the ceremony” - a ceremony which has already been cut from this edit. But most importantly it rings the bulls**t detector, as the ship pulls away from the pursuit for no reason literally within just a mile from Sabines pad. If they genuinely wanted to confront Sabine and escort her to the city they could have flown just one mile further to her destination and done so. It’s a lame moment and could very easily be removed (you can still have Sabine bombing it down the highway listening to her rebellious rawk muzak, just cut to her arriving home before the cops show up).

“Do it!.. for Ezra” my suggestion would be to keep that line in, spoken by Baylan to Sabine. It’s a cool callback to Palpatine and Anakin in Revenge Of The Sith (which foreshadows Anakins reappearance in the flashback). You also hear it whispered again later when Ahsoka investigates the scene so it really needs to be there.

Later when the troopers surround Sabine and Ezra on Peridea, maybe cut Shin ordering “fire!” as again its a lame unrealistic moment with too much time left hanging in the air before the order and any action being taken. Feels too contrived, you can improve this.

My final suggestion would be to keep Sabine’s force push to help Ezra make his big leap. Seeing as you’ve kept in her failed attempts to move the mug, this is important to close and complete her arc. She does have the force but her ability to use it has to mean something to her, to help someone she loves. That’s Sabine’s arc and again imho needs to be there.

I hope these don’t come across as negative criticisms - because they are intended as constructive feedback. You’ve done a fantastic job with making Ahsoka into a movie length format, and a massive well done and thank you are in order!

Absolutely. Feedback and discussion is what I’m looking for.
Regarding the technical glitches. I’ve gone back to my FCP project, looked at the original rendered file and the downloaded gdrive file and can’t see the glitch with the Lucasfilm logo. It fades to black as far as I can see.

The “rock critter” glitch I’ve found and fixed. That was well spotted! It was a single frame the needed taking out.

The Sabine speeder sequence is a tricky one. Cutting it was already suggested in this thread, but the bottom line is that I love that sequence (I don’t know why). As far as the opening of the movie is concerned we get an action sequence to introduce our villains, an action sequence to introduce Ahsoka and then an action sequence to introduce Sabine. It just feels well balanced given that Sabine and Ahsoka are essentially co-leads. It also lets us know a bit about her rebellious personality and provides the viewer with an insight into why her jedi training failed. We get told that she’s difficult in the Ahsoka/Hera scene, but I like to see, rather than be told. I tried the edit without that scene and it just seemed like an underwhelming introduction.
Regarding the ceremony reference. Even if I cut this scene the ceremony still gets mentioned by Azadi on the platform.

Good point about the “do it”. I’ve put that back in.

I’ve removed Shin’s “fire”. I played around with that scene for quite a while and removed Ezra’s “prisoners” chat. No idea why I didn’t remove the “fire” too… so much better without!

Sabine’s force push is another tricky one. I’m a bit more neutral on this one. The scene itself plays out much better with Sabine’s force push because it’s technically difficult to edit it out. If she had been force sensitive then I would have definitely left it in. However, she’s more “force attuned” so that level of force ability just seems too much for her. Her arc does get closed when she pulls the lightsaber to kill the night death trooper thing. I’m definitely open to putting it back in, I guess I’ll see if anyone else has got an opinion on it.

Thanks again for the detailed feedback. Its great to get it and your points were fantastic.

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STF78 said:

Really impressive edit. Quite clear that an enormous amount of work has gone into this given how much has been removed and how coherent the finished product is. The full show was ‘pretty good’, but this edited movie version takes it into ‘very good’ territory. Highly recommended.

Thanks STF. It’s certainly the most edited of my projects. Unfortunately that takes time and it’s a competitive world these days in the Fanedit community! Hopefully it was worth the wait.